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Liberal/Progressive Talking Points 1960 to Present
1440 KEYS AM Radio ^ | July 28, 2006 | Jenni Vinson Trejo

Posted on 07/28/2006 8:19:37 AM PDT by jennivinson

Liberal/Progressive Talking Points 1960 to Present
By Jenni Vinson Trejo
July 28, 2006

It might seem a daunting task to catalogue anything over a span that encompasses six decades, but Liberals have made it easy since not much has changed in their Agenda and Talking Points over the past six decades. The only major change we’ve seen from them is that they used to be just Liberals and now they want to add Progressive to their title

This era of Liberal/Progressiveness began as a counter culture revolution to the Vietnam War. The younger generation, unwilling to fight and possibly die in a war mired by politics, had taken to the streets in rebellion against the government. Democrats saw the energy and momentum of these young Americans and opted to ally with them in hopes of solidifying a stronger voter base and in hopes of ushering in social changes.

The alliance proved overwhelming for the Democrats. The revolutionist would not be satisfied until the fabric of the country would completely torn, burned away and replaced with their own.

According to NARAL, Move-0n.org, The CRIT Society, ACLU, Green Peace, Sierra Club, the DNC, the National Organization for Women, Karl Marx, Noam Chomsky, Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood and a host of other Liberal sites, writers and publications, the Liberal/Progressives exist to:

1.To oppose the Constitution because it is based on a belief in God Almighty.
2.To eradicate marriage which they see an institution of slavery to men, women and to children.
3.To free women from the confines of marriage and the domination of men.
4.To free children from the confines of parents. They established through the court systems that the government is the ultimate parent in any given household and not mom or dad. Government can and will intervene in the raising, disciplining, education and even medical treatment of any and all American children.
5.To break down the conventional family unit because Anything conventional and or normal needed to go and because of the afore mentioned slavery issues.
6.To allow free sexuality in all forms. The epitome of Liberal expression and definition can be found in what happened in the muddy farm field at Woodstock when the enlightened and freed souls rolled in the mud in various states of drunkenness, engaging in sexual activities with whomever. From the combined need to break down families, marriage and to allow for all expressions of sexuality comes the Liberal/Progressive notion towards same sex marriages. Ironically, they hate marriage but they fight for Gays to have it!
7.To make drug use legal.
8.To establish equal rights for men and women in all aspects, with the caveat that you can be equal but you are not allowed to exceed anyone. That would alter the balance of their socialism. Still this didn’t keep the Feminist Liberals from demanding rights for women at the expense of men and children.
9.To provide freedom of choice in reproduction so long as the woman has all the choices and all of the rights and men get left out of the matter (after conception that is) and children are, of course, killed.
10.To protect the environment from humans even if some humans have to die so the trees and the owls and the bugs can live. Michael McCloskey of the Sierra Club explained that it is okay if thousands of Africans die of malaria and other mosquito born diseases because their deaths help the environment.
11.To thwart population growth. Their goal is ZERO population growth. They would like humans all around the world to stop producing offspring.
12.To establish civil rights for all mankind in America. No matter where your citizenship is, you will be treated to all civil rights as an American even if you aren’t American.
13.To defend a person’s right to die. What they really advocate is the right to kill. Most euthanasia cases require that someone else kill a person. They don’t advocate suicide, they want assisted deaths.
14.To eradicate religion. Any expression of faith in Judeo-Christian values is deemed to be fanatical. But Judeo-Christian religion has to move aside for their Humanist religion.
15.To commandeer the public school system as a means of indoctrinating Americans.
16.To ensure that Universities remain a breeding ground for Liberal notions, no matter how radical or how lacking in educational value.
17.To usurp the judicial/legal system. Many of the Counter Culture Revolutionists opted to go into Law so they could change the system from within.
18.To evermore be against the norm and status quo. No matter how much they accomplish—they is still so much to be against.
19.To be suspicious of all government— even theirs.
20.To thwart the spread of capitalism. Corporations are the enemy. Money is a means to an end. The value of a dollar is measured only in what they can accomplish with it.
21.To ban handguns. Self protection is not necessary when you can call on them. And hunting is just wrong. Kill the unborn babies, but leave Bambi alone!
22.To modernize the U.S. military—not with weapons but through social engineering, like gays in the military and co-ed barracks.
23.To care and direct the lives of Americans from the cradle to the grave. They tell when if you can be born and when you should hang it up and die.
24.To keep a culture of entitlements. The only way to keep the masses beholden to them is to supply them continually with what they "need".
25.To ensure an atmosphere of fear and dire consequences to any and all who disagree with their assessment. The sky is always on the verge of falling in the Liberal Camp. It’s Global Cooling one day and then Global Warming the next. The trees are all about to die and the tsunamis will wash us all away. The animals will all go extinct while we all die because the cows passed gas and coupled with our BBQ fires and aerosols, the ozone got depleted. Liberal/Progressives are such a fun group!

I’m sure I missed a few of the Liberal/Progressive Talking points. There is no one place where they are outlined, except for now that they will reside on my web page. Liberals and progressives don’t want America to see what they stand for. They are a scary bunch. This is why Conservatives talk about them so much. We try to shed light on what they want for our lives and for the lives of your children and grandchildren.

Liberal/Progressives were not just summarily dismissed. America gave them a shot. It’s been sixty years and they didn’t prove that their way was better, compassionate or even logical.

So, I’m Jenni Vinson Trejo. Liberal/Progressive Talking Points 1960- Present is My Opinion. Thank you for listening.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; agenda; chomsky; education; environment; feminism; greenpeace; liberal; liberalism; marx; mdm; nuketheleft; progressive; treasonousscumbags
Wish you could have all heard the fireworks this editorial set off with the Liberals in the Corpus Christi community. While reasonable people called into refute or add to what I said with concise comments, the Liberals called in to tell me how "mean" and "cruel" and vicious I am. They had a meltdown.
1 posted on 07/28/2006 8:19:39 AM PDT by jennivinson
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To: jennivinson

mark for reference, thanks.


2 posted on 07/28/2006 8:30:26 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: jennivinson

Which means you nailed 'em. Good job!


3 posted on 07/28/2006 8:36:25 AM PDT by snuffy smiff (used to hang folks for treason; wish they still did...)
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To: jennivinson

A few more:

Return us to a hunter-gatherer, urban farming, live-organic type of lifestyle. Grow your own vegetables.

Ban the military because the depth of liberal thinking on these matters is that "war is bad."

Remove our right to own handguns.

Abolish advanced types of technology because technology comes about because of capitalism and, leftists hate capitalism.


4 posted on 07/28/2006 8:37:09 AM PDT by tom h
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To: jennivinson

Excellent post!


5 posted on 07/28/2006 8:41:59 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: jennivinson

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963



CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.



6 posted on 07/28/2006 8:55:09 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: Ouderkirk

save


7 posted on 07/28/2006 8:59:34 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower Traffic Keep Right)
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To: jennivinson
If they had a meltdown, then you obviously struck a raw nerve. Good job. Just remember, liberals react to facts--like Linda Blair reacts to Holy Water!

I'd still like to know how their skewed, socialistic, and pathetic 'big-government knows best' agenda ever came to be defined as 'progressive'.

8 posted on 07/28/2006 8:59:39 AM PDT by stockstrader
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To: stockstrader

Not progressive...communist.


9 posted on 07/28/2006 9:02:11 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: Ouderkirk

Excellent exposure of the ACLU and their radical friends.


10 posted on 07/28/2006 9:06:51 AM PDT by OriginalIntent (Undo the ACLU's revison of the Constitution. If you agree with the ACLU revisions, you are a liberal)
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To: jennivinson

I'm a former Democrat, and the issues that chased me to the Reagan led GOP in 1978 were:

1. Safety. Liberals were releasing murderers, rapists, and every kind of parasite into the streets with more rights than I had. You couldn't let your wife and daughters go to the market in California during the late seventies. The Freeway Killer, the Hillside Stranglers, and Bittaker and Norris were on the loose. Liberals weren't for punishing anyone. But they did want our guns.

2. Foreign Policy. Liberals love dictators. They love genocide, as long as the genocide is from the left. For all the trashing of our country and undermining our Vietnam effort, the liberals thought Nixon and Agnew were the enemies instead of Mao, the Pathet Lao, and Pol Pot. They would have merged this country with the Soviet Union in a NY minute as long as they got to call the shots.

3. Equality. (Now political correctness) Democrats make criminals and parasites their pets. The underclass is encouraged to be both, but remain Democrat voters. Any discussion of protected races and groups is shouted down and labeled bigotry.

4. Taxes. Liberals are like an offended ex. Their money is their money and your money is their money. They would have us all living at the Salvation Army and clamoring for scraps after working 40-80 hour weeks. They would give us free medication too, but that's a new thing.

5. Perversion. The gays are everywhere, despite being very small in numbers. 1978 San Francisco has been mainstreamed.

6. Elitism. We drove old cars. California had this racket going requiring smog devices on older vehicles. The devices sucked the life out of both our engines and we had no car. We were poor as mice and the liberal government made us poorer through rules and regs and laws and fees and taxes.

I had been a typical let the good times roll Democrat until I took my wife and baby daughter to live in Jerry Brown and Rose Bird's California. It changed me forever.


11 posted on 07/28/2006 9:10:59 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: jennivinson
I strongly recommend Thomas Sowell's book, A Conflict of Visions. It's like the Men Are From Mars; Women Are From Venus of politics, IMO. It does a terrific job of explaining the context and basis of the (currently labeled) Liberal and Conservative schools of thought. All of the specific examples you cite are outgrowths of the basic premises Sowell analyzes masterfully in that book.
12 posted on 07/28/2006 9:11:37 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: jennivinson

Can't conservatives do better than this type of trash? This is just as shill and paranoid-sounding as the liberals who rattle off the reasons why Bush is evil. Many "media conservatives" (Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, etc) have dragged the debate down into the mud. Rush can still talk a good game, but most of the rest of them rely on the same "the liberals are evil" and "the liberals hate America" talking points. It's garbage. Sure a lot most liberal ideas suck, but most liberals are good people with good intentions. Instead of launching into cheap attacks, we should be challening their approach to policy (i.e. explaining basic economics) and explaining why more government is not the solution.

Furthermore, I'm sick and tired of conservatism being defined by narrow Christian Right type views. The vast majority of these points fall into that category. Also, as for #19 - conservatives are suspicious of all government, not liberals. And a lot of conservatives favor drug legalization too (just look on drug-related threads here on FR), so I don't know why you consider that a liberal view.

These types of cheap shots may gain a few laughs and a few votes by appealing to the stupid and ignorant, but they will hurt the cause of conservatism in the long run. We should be defining conservatism in a more intellectual light and convincing intelligent people why conservative ideas are better, rather than pandering to idiots.


13 posted on 07/28/2006 9:22:07 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: jennivinson
This list makes sense, except for this one:

7.To make drug use legal.

Some leftists may pay lip service to drug legalization, and people like Soros may fund some drug law reform efforts, but the truth is that comitted lefties are the world's most zealous drug warriors. History supports this -- the Harrison Narcotics Act (which enacted prohibition on cocaine and heroin) was passed in 1914 during the Wilson administration, and the Marihuana Tax Act was passed in 1937 during the FDR administration.

And communist dictators and their henchman were notorious teetotalers that had little tolerance for their subjects using substances that would dull revolutionary fervor. Che Guevara, for instance, was a dour, humorless murderer who despised drug and alcohol use (oh, the irony of seeing hippies wearing t-shirts with Che's mug on them!), and often killed his cohorts that happened to indulge too often.

So, it's pretty clear that if the left ever achieved power, they would declare a War on Drugs that would dwarf anything we've ever seen to date. And in reality, very few Democrat politicians even give drug law reform lip service, unless they can demagogue it for some other reason (eg. Maxine Waters' attempt to change the crack-to-powder disparity in sentencing for cocaine trafficking, because blacks are disproportionately affected). Let's face it: the War on Drugs cedes an incredible amount of police power to the federal government - it's doubtful that the Left would ever want to give that up.

14 posted on 07/28/2006 9:36:20 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: freepatriot32; Wolfie

Semi-WOD bump


15 posted on 07/28/2006 9:44:02 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: jennivinson

Bookmarking for NUKETHELEFT ping list when I get home from work.

Thnaks for the thread, jennivinson


16 posted on 07/28/2006 9:45:27 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: jennivinson
America gave them a shot. It’s been sixty years and they didn’t prove that their way was better, compassionate or even logical.

Great job up until this point. I think you let them off way to easy. Their airhead ideas have caused incredible damage to our society and they should be called on it.

17 posted on 07/28/2006 9:56:52 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Good news is no news.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Check snopes.


18 posted on 07/28/2006 9:59:55 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: jennivinson
19.To be suspicious of all government— even theirs.

We ALL should be suspicous of government- especially theirs.

19 posted on 07/28/2006 10:04:03 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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"1.To oppose the Constitution because it is based on a belief in God Almighty."

While it's true that the Left cannot tolerate rival authority in any area, religion included, I believe the true reason they oppose our Constitution is because it limits the power of government, thus removing socialism from complete consideration in this country.

In fact, all the rest of the points listed are meant to destroy the fabric of the country so that socialism can be instituted to "save the day."

My 2 cents.

Having said that, yes, I can imagine how that list of talking points, all of which are accurate, would make a liberal go ballistic. And I've got just the people to try it out on. Thanks.

20 posted on 07/28/2006 10:08:34 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
" Also, as for #19 - conservatives are suspicious of all government, not liberals."

I have a liberal fishing buddy, a good guy, as you said, who often in conversation mocks the conservative distrust of government. He particularly likes to laugh at the bumper sticker that reads, "I love my country, but I don't trust my government." Whenever he gets going on that I usually say to him, "I guess that means you really trust Bush and the Republican majority in Congress," which normally renders him speechless for a few minutes. Still, he doesn't get the point, our country was founded on distrust of government, France, just the opposite. If we give government power to use in our pet causes, the opposition will be able to use that power in theirs.

But there are plenty of conservatives, W included, who are on the same page with that mindset.

21 posted on 07/28/2006 10:19:41 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

MinnesotaLibertarian,

A VERY Liberal person who works at the radio station asked repeatedly if there was a list of Liberal talking points-- why hadn't she seen it. She keep sayings that Liberals do not exist. That's the new ploy-- Not only does the emperor have no clothes on-- but now the emperor is not even there at all.
So, for the past month I made a valiant effort to scour sources for Liberal Talking Points to present to her. She railed against them and was adamant about how it was impossible for a Conservative to present Liberal Talking Points.
It was tough to do since Liberals don't have a list to offer. Lots of sources have to scoured. Nontheless, the Talking points are THEIR agenda-- not mine. I simply question the logic and reason of their plans.
Jenni


22 posted on 07/28/2006 1:30:28 PM PDT by jennivinson
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To: jennivinson

You have not really addressed my criticism. I questioned whether trashy attacks on liberals and liberalism was good for the conservative movement, and in return I've received a marginally coherent anecdote about a woman at a radio station who challenged you to come up with a list of liberal talking points.

As for your points themselves, they don't strike me as well-researched in the least. It looks like it was slapped together in about five minutes, and based solely on your perception of liberalism. The quality of the writing is poor and the attitude is obnoxious. These "talking points" don't strike me as something a liberal would actually say, even if they believed them at heart.

Not a single one of your "points" is sourced in any way. If you wanted good sources for liberal talking points, you could have simply looked at the Democratic Party platform. Many liberal advocacy groups, including the ones you mentioned, also have platforms or sets of ideals, but rather than source them you've stated for yourself the beliefs you believe they hold, rather than what they've actually said.

Of course I wouldn't expect you to merely parrot liberal ideals without saying anything critical. But a much more effective way to convey opposition to liberal ideas would be to quote them exactly rather than putting words in their mouths, and then respond to the liberal idea/claim. As I said before, we should be championing conservative ideas, not trashing liberals.

I have no doubt that I've angered you by this point, so I might as well go all out and again state that I also feel that your idea of conservatism seems to be far off from the ideas and attitudes espoused by Barry Goldwater, who is considered by most to be the founding father of the modern conservative movement. Big government intrusion into private lives and religious influence in government are not conservative ideas. They are antithetical to the conservative ideal of smaller government and respect for the Bill of Rights.


23 posted on 07/28/2006 2:11:41 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Matchett-PI
IF you have a link to verify that this item is legend and on in the congressional record I would be interested to see it.
24 posted on 07/28/2006 3:27:30 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

I did list the sources-- you have selective reading. Obviously, you are an offended Liberal. So sorry. Check my webpage in the upcoming days. I will add the sources-- in most cases more than ONE.
What strikes me as odd is that YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW THIS STUFF!!! Why would it offend you so??
I had no reason to trash talk. I sought to enlight.

You may argue this information may have already been said enough- but that would be untrue.

Again==- SORRY-- but this list is sourced. It is Liberal Agenda Talking Points and a clear picture of what Liberals hope to achieve for this country.
Jenni


25 posted on 07/28/2006 4:58:01 PM PDT by jennivinson
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To: jennivinson
Liberals and progressives don’t want America to see what they stand for.

Yes, liberals have practiced sophistry and outright deception for years in order to destroy our law and our culture.

And yes again, liberals, above all else, do not want Americans to see what liberals really stand for, because Americans would be appalled to realize the radicalism on your list really are what liberals stand for.

The godless left has made much headway because their depraved leftist goals are indoctrination points at most every Public School everyday.

If not for the far left takeover of the Public Schools and Universities, liberalism would be dead.

26 posted on 07/28/2006 9:02:25 PM PDT by OriginalIntent (Undo the ACLU's revison of the Constitution. If you agree with the ACLU revisions, you are a liberal)
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To: Ouderkirk; MrShow-BobAndDavid; jennivinson

"..This is just a more involved version of the "Communist Rules for Revolution" that were supposedly found after WWI in Germany. This is almost certainly a hoax. Read all about it at http://www.snopes.com/language/document/commrule.htm
..."
11 posted on 08/17/2003 6:46:43 PM PDT by MrShow-BobAndDavid
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/965685/posts?page=11#11


27 posted on 07/29/2006 3:09:45 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: Matchett-PI

First of all, this is an assessment based on what OUR Liberal community says and has said.

Secondly, were this not an assessment, a fair assessment, then why is it that Liberal Humanism around the world behaves in this same manner?

Why is it that China and Russia and Cuba and all Communist states ruled by Liberal Humanism reign over those humans with these same rules?
Jenni


28 posted on 07/30/2006 3:49:06 AM PDT by jennivinson
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To: jennivinson

It's best not to post stuff that people can check out on Snopes (or elsewhere) and find it listed as a hoax. It diminishes one's credibility - rightly or wrongly.


29 posted on 07/30/2006 8:58:48 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: jennivinson
It is very telling that many liberals RUN LIKE scared rats from the term 'liberal'. They (John Kerry being a recent example in the last election) like to say that 'labels' are meaningless. Many (some might say most) libs try to hide from the term 'liberal'. Why is that?

It speaks VOLUMES that most liberals try to disassociate themselves from that label,,,,while most conservatives OPENLY AND PROUDLY EMBRACE the 'lable', conservative! Why is that?

Enough said.

30 posted on 07/30/2006 10:31:29 AM PDT by stockstrader
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To: Matchett-PI
That's pretty interesting. I briefly looked at snopes and didn't find this. I'm sure that my search criteria was too vague, and if it didn't present itself within a few searches that's when I asked you to post a link...obviously you had seen it an had a better idea of what to search on. It certainly challenges the legitimacy of: Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA Since these remarks are not available on THOMAS one would have to check them the old fashioned way. I had seen Herlong's remarks posted on FR before and had no reason to question their authenticity....until now. Thanks
31 posted on 07/30/2006 5:44:43 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: Ouderkirk

You're welcome. I saw it posted on here plenty of times and didn't question it myself until I saw that 2003 post by another FReeper linking to Snopes.


32 posted on 07/30/2006 6:53:46 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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