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Knocking the French: Why?
NavySEALs.com ^ | July 30, 2006 | W. Thomas Smith Jr.

Posted on 07/29/2006 5:20:07 PM PDT by SuzyQ2

But we Americans seem to have short memories.

What else could explain the fact that we, generally speaking, so-often lambaste the French, calling them “cowards” for not allying themselves fully with us in every instance? We constantly throw in their faces the fact that we came to their rescue in World Wars I and II. And we’ve all heard the jokes: “Surplus French military rifles for sale. Never fired. Dropped once.”

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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

"When WWII started they just were not prepared or had the gumption to stick it out"

they really didn't have a chance, also belgium not letting france and gb deploy pre-emptively and instead becoming neutral guaranteed germany had a not-so-opposed entry into NE france. once the armor was on the ground, who was going to stop it at that point?

i think post-occupation collaboration was a far bigger shame issue than losing to the german military of that time.


101 posted on 07/29/2006 8:04:26 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: SuzyQ2
(Homer enters Hank Scorpio's doomsday facility)

Hank: "Hey, Homer. I'm keeping two of my fingers crossed that you're gonna have that nuclear generator up to full power by tomorrow."
Homer: "Uh, yes, sir. No problemo."
Hank: "Good. By the way, which is your least favorite country? Italy or France?"
Homer: "France."
Hank: "Heh, heh, heh. Nobody ever says Italy."


102 posted on 07/29/2006 8:04:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Homer is far smarter than Chirac!


103 posted on 07/29/2006 8:12:54 PM PDT by bfree (Liberalism-the yellow meat,)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
A dead Frenchman has many good qualities, many things to recommend him; many attractions--even innocencies. Why cannot we have more of these?

To answer Mr. Twain: Because Frenchmen don't die... they surrender to their own mortality.

104 posted on 07/29/2006 8:14:00 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwt! Lr bi mst hord, solce!)
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To: SuzyQ2

Because their greatest soldier was a woman, their greatest General was an Italian, and their graditude is as good as their memory?


105 posted on 07/29/2006 8:27:55 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Hell, Chirac caved to the rioters. So having run out of everybody else, the French have surrendered to the French.


106 posted on 07/29/2006 8:29:52 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

It's not a "world war" until france surrenders.


107 posted on 07/29/2006 8:32:24 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I do. How about Citizen Genet?


108 posted on 07/29/2006 8:34:27 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: G. Stolyarov II

You should have tried German, a language they are equally familiar with, and very prone to accomodate.


109 posted on 07/29/2006 8:35:54 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: WoofDog123
they really didn't have a chance

They didn't have a chance because of their own choices - trusting their entire defence to the (admittedly formidable) Maginot Line. They simply ignored the parts of their border it could not defend and allocated virtually nothing to any defence in depth.

They were doomed by the arrogant assumption that the enemy would stupidly attack them where they were strongest.

110 posted on 07/29/2006 8:37:20 PM PDT by irv
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To: SuzyQ2
"Knocking the French: Why?"

His name is Jacques Chirac, a liberalist and a communist.

But I won't mention the fact that in the early 19th century that country beheaded everyone with an IQ over 100. So their evolutionary process and gene pool was set back considerably
111 posted on 07/29/2006 8:50:14 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: SuzyQ2
Knocking the French: Why?...The Arrogance of the French - that's but one answer to the question and also the name of an amusing and insightful book by Richard Chesnoff - as the back cover says, "This is the perfect book for anyone fed up with the folks who would be speaking German today if not for the USA, and who ought to be just a little more grateful in return"......
112 posted on 07/29/2006 9:14:55 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Fresh Wind
Can your picture get copied?

Also, Americans tend to slam the French a bit too much; it seems that although there has been a sort of culture wars between the United States and France since their revolution, there are only some French which disdain the United States whilst many Americans disdain France.

113 posted on 07/29/2006 9:42:02 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: alexeijin

France has one of the highest birthrates in Europe, though some of this could be from their immigrant population--largely Muslim, too.


114 posted on 07/29/2006 9:43:41 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: kenavi

And the Marquis de Lafayette. While the French government only supported the war to attack the British, and so that they could regain New France, their were Frenchmen who were supportive of the United States (also, why would an absolute monarchy support the creation of a nonmonarchial government?). The British were the United States traditional enemy until around the late 1800's. France, while having a cultural war with the United States, has never had a political one (though during Napoleon's time it got close to one).


115 posted on 07/29/2006 9:54:53 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: John Jorsett
Are the Quebeçois and West Africans and French Polynesians arrogant? Or the people from Luxemborg? Which other Francophone culture is renown for their arrogance (and apparently it is Paris that is giving their country its reputation).
116 posted on 07/29/2006 9:58:36 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: PhillyRepublican

Weren't the French against going into iraq from the get go?


117 posted on 07/29/2006 10:02:20 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: PzLdr
Napoleon was born in French Corsica.
118 posted on 07/29/2006 10:06:43 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: PzLdr

Let's not forget that in the former case, they also promptly executed her when she became politically awkward, instead of giving her something else to do.

And let's also not forget that Napoleon had his @$$ handed to him by a British footwear designer at Waterloo; his troops broke and ran. Even the Old Guard couldn't stop the inevitable at that point.


119 posted on 07/29/2006 10:09:46 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

If anything, the Quebeçois are trying to out-French the French. They have a worse rep, IMHO. However, the rest of the Francophone world is still pretty bad, just not arrogant (Francophone sections of the world seem to be the most corrupt places - see Louisiana.)


120 posted on 07/29/2006 10:11:35 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SuzyQ2
Okay. They censored my original foto & comment. So, I'll try again, with no comment.

Read my tagline.

121 posted on 07/29/2006 10:20:46 PM PDT by melt (One word about French Military History: F"ran"ce.)
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To: SuzyQ2
*laugh* I'm watching Armageddon with Bruce Willis on DVD right now. An asteroid chunk just leveled Paris.
122 posted on 07/29/2006 10:41:50 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com.dish5009.net.ibizdns.com/MEMap.html)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Weren't the French against going into iraq from the get go?

No, they told President Bush and Colin Powell that they were with us, then they publicly blindsided Colin Powell and the US in their UN press conference.

123 posted on 07/29/2006 11:02:17 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Rembrandt
"invented the guillotine "

The French invent? They copied it from the Scots, who got it from the English

Check "Halifax Gibbet"

124 posted on 07/30/2006 12:46:05 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Here to Help)
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To: tenthirteen

Real men (and women) like cats.


125 posted on 07/30/2006 3:07:41 AM PDT by Route797
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To: SuzyQ2

Everyone knows that the USA have an affair with France.


126 posted on 07/30/2006 3:49:57 AM PDT by Schweinhund
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To: thomaswest

A quick search of the records of even the most odious of tyrants and countries will turn up one good deed.
Seriously, France is and has always been the pest of Europe.


127 posted on 07/30/2006 4:11:04 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: SuzyQ2
France watch: Various idiocies and the atrocieties of the African Bastille States

FRENCH TWISTED: Don't Help Paris Rape Africa

129 posted on 07/30/2006 4:22:05 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Telmar

Wrong. The quote comes from Jed Babbin. Look it up.

Welcome to FR.


130 posted on 07/30/2006 4:28:26 AM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Telmar; BurbankKarl

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132 posted on 07/30/2006 4:45:45 AM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

French for 30 years. The family name was Buonaparte, and his father was a Corsican nationalist.

The landlord of the house we lived in when I was born was Puerto Rican. That didn't make me Hispanic.


133 posted on 07/30/2006 5:13:58 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: SuzyQ2

More then repaid by saving their butts in 2 World Wars, the Cold War and the War on Terror. BTW, the French were not fighting for the USA, they were fighting their traditional enemies the English for World Empire. We were just a handy excuse.


134 posted on 07/30/2006 5:50:26 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: snowman1

snowman1 wrote:


>> You get away from Paris and the people are marvelous, Parisians are a different story. They are rude and don't get caught in an elevator with a bunch of them <<

Agreed 100%!!!

But IMHO there's a certain upside to the rudeness:

First one needs to realize that Paris is clearly among the world's most beautiful cities. Apart from San Francisco, Rio and Hongkong, I'd say Paris has little or no competition.

And because of its great charms, I believe Paris would be jam-packed with Americans and other tourists 365/24/7 -- IF ONLY the Parisians weren't so extremely rude. The traffic would be unbearable and the already high prices would be astronomical.

But as things stand -- and as I see them -- the traffic, the crowds and the prices are manageable.

Therefore, for those who are able simply to tune out the rudeness, a visit to Paris can be a fantastic treat!


135 posted on 07/30/2006 6:16:34 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Jedi Master Pikachu wrote:

> Are the Quebeçois and West Africans and French Polynesians arrogant? <

We was just in Quebec City, and I can assure everyone that the Québeçois were polite and friendly in the extreme. In fact, my wife said, "It's just like being in Paris without the rudeness!"


136 posted on 07/30/2006 6:30:33 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: SuzyQ2
Knocking the French: Why?

Oh, hows about Oil For Food for starters. Then there's all the stuff mentioned in Bill Gertz's book Treachery. Example...

French connection armed Saddam

What's not to love, eh?

137 posted on 07/30/2006 6:34:16 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Dale 1

Dale 1 wrote:

>His name is Jacques Chirac, a liberalist and a communist<


Chirac is most definitely a jerk, a crook, a demigogic America basher and a liar. Moreover, on top of all that, he's probably a creep and a pervert. It's very easy to detest the guy, and I'm sure I can equal you in that department.

But a communist? No way.

The French have plenty of REAL COMMUNISTS, both in the unions (thug commies) and on their university faculties (pure Marxist intellectuals).

And on the political spectrum, Chirac is miles (or should I say kilometres?) away from these "types."


138 posted on 07/30/2006 6:39:01 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: thomaswest
There would not have been a defeat at Yorktown without the French, rather if the French Fleet never showed Cornwallis would have been able to escape via water and we would not have gained a victory: big difference. It had nothing to do with General Washington's skill set as a general. And, FYI, he improved considerably as the war went on: Trenton, Princeton, Monmouth. At the Battle of Brooklyn he was poor in the field, but engineered a brilliant retreat which saved the army. And, he was a brilliant leader of men and fearless on the field.

As far as the French go, they were much more interested in helping us bloody English noses than in helping Americans per se. As soon as Washington became president, they began making trouble for us (see Citizen Genet, etc.).

139 posted on 07/30/2006 6:41:57 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
"la Legion was respectable.....mostly foreigners, though. "

The Legion was, IIRC, also the unit that fought at Dien Bien Phu. I've read that most of the soldiers who died there were former Nazi SS troopers, too. Somehow, I don't think we can attribute their steadfast defense of a hopeless post to the French, even if they did have at least a few French officers.
140 posted on 07/30/2006 7:12:56 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: hiho hiho
"All the brave French were killed off in WW1. Only the cowards were left to breed."

"Think of it as Evolution in Action." In this case, not a happy thing, either.
141 posted on 07/30/2006 7:27:05 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Schweinhund
Everyone knows that the USA have an affair with France

:-) You forgot to add < Sarcasn > to your post!

142 posted on 07/30/2006 7:34:32 AM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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To: xxyyxx

They do that to everybody
Another of their habits is to blame somebody else for every defeat they suffer be it in war or sport
They did that to us Belgian in 1940 instead of admitting that they had the s*** beaten out of them at sedan
Most of us Belgian would not piss on a frog if he was on fire


143 posted on 07/30/2006 8:01:06 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: WoofDog123
The French Army was no small force. Unfortunately, its strategy was flawed. The Germans won fairly easily not just because they did an end run around the Maginot Line (give me a break, they repeated the same strategy from WWI), but also Hans Guideron's combined arms strategy of using air, infantry and armor in coordination to break through lines and aggressive move into the rear. Finally, the Germans wanted to win a lot more than the French.
144 posted on 07/30/2006 8:55:58 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
When WWII came, the French were depleted from two centuries of war and Revolution: the Seven Years War with the British, the 1789 Revolution and its executions, Napoleon's Empire Building (taking on the German states who then coalesced behind Prussia, invading Russia, fighting guerilla resistance in Spain), the return of the monarchy, the Paris Commune of 1871, the return of Napoleon (nephew) and the Franco-Prussian Wars, and World War I, fought mainly on French soil. All the while maintaining a second-rate Empire to the British in Africa, the Middle East, and Southeastern Asia.

The population was depleted, and the populace was torn by a century of over-ideologizing.

That is the lesson of France for us, not the people, who vary as to friendliness towards the U.S.
145 posted on 07/30/2006 10:05:34 AM PDT by kenavi (Save romance. Stop teen sex.)
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To: bannie

Ah, face it...France is your red-haired Affair, the kind of femme fatale you never marry but always fantasize about when you're in bed with your common-as-muck British wive ^^


146 posted on 07/30/2006 2:22:28 PM PDT by Schweinhund
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To: SuzyQ2
But we Americans seem to have short memories

one guy, 230 years ago.

that's the best they got.

no wonder they're shocked when testosterone shows up in non-frenchie athletes' tests.

147 posted on 07/30/2006 3:49:10 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: kingu
"It's always entertaining when you have to go back more than two centuries to find honorable French soldiers."

Dreyfus was honorable. Of course, he ended up taking the rap for some other Frenchman's crime...

148 posted on 07/30/2006 3:59:57 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: SuzyQ2
Maybe now'd be a good time for that little song that Glenn Beck sings: < Maurice Chevallier voice>

I love the French

I'd love to beat them with a wrench

149 posted on 07/30/2006 4:01:59 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Those were really great. Mark Twain was such a wit.


150 posted on 07/30/2006 4:04:10 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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