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What they want
The Washinton Times ^ | August 6, 2006 | Oliver North

Posted on 08/06/2006 6:54:09 PM PDT by lancer

"What do they want?" It's a query we hear a lot these days. By "they," of course, the questioner means the suicide bombers, the masked men in the video-tape decapitating a hostage, the goose-stepping, black-clad legions parading with AK-47s. "They" call themselves Hamas, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Muslim Brotherhood, Jamaat-Islamiyah, the Mahdi Army or any of a dozen other names for violent terror groups operating with impunity around the world. Five years ago next month "they" were al Qaeda -- thrust onto center stage aboard four aircraft turned into deadly missiles. This spring, "they" were Hamas terrorists firing lethal Qassam rockets from Gaza into neighborhoods in southern Israel. This week, it's Hezbollah -- the Iranian-armed and directed movement in Lebanon that ignited the current round of violence in the Middle East. Some of the "theys" are Sunni Muslim. Others are Shi'ites. In most of the world they are theological adversaries -- with a long sanguinary history of fratricide far bloodier than anything experienced in the Christian schism between Catholics and Protestants. In nearly every case, "they" have foundations in a local grievance, recruit followers by emphasizing perceived wrongs and have charismatic leaders who promote "martyrdom" as a means of making things right. Regardless of origin -- Sunni or Shi'ite --? "they" share critical common ground. They all despise Judeo-Christian values, institutions and individuals and are committed to "ridding" Islamic lands of Western "occupation."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: caliphate; globaljihad; iran; islamofascists; israel; lebanon; middleeast; olivernorth; syria; terrorism
A good assessment of what we are up against.
1 posted on 08/06/2006 6:54:11 PM PDT by lancer
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To: lancer

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2 posted on 08/06/2006 6:55:33 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: lancer

There is an old song "everybody wants to rule the world"

This is true, but almost everyone except the islamo nut cases have figured out that it is not going to happen.

No one is going to rule the world. Every one needs to get that through one's head.


3 posted on 08/06/2006 6:59:05 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: lancer

I don't think they despise "Judeo-Christian values," considering their stance on Homosexuality and worship (Heck they all loved The Passion), it's more like they despise our secular values.


4 posted on 08/06/2006 7:06:49 PM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: staytrue
They want us dead or Dhimmi.

That's what they say. I believe them.

I say we kill them first.

L

5 posted on 08/06/2006 7:09:08 PM PDT by Lurker (I support Israel without reservation. Hizbollah must be destroyed to the last man.)
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To: lancer
Does ANYONE really give a shit about "what they want"...

I certainly don't..
The ONLY thing I care about, is destroying them before they can destroy us.

Yes -- I said DESTROYED... ..

Semper Fi

6 posted on 08/06/2006 7:09:14 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: lancer
Hmmm, let's make a list.

1. All Jews dead.

2. All Christians serfs in a World Caliphate.

3. Female brutalization, subjegation, and sexual mutilation.

4. The US destroyed.

That's all, folks!

7 posted on 08/06/2006 7:09:36 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Bigg Red

mark


8 posted on 08/06/2006 7:10:32 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Hong Kong Expat
Does the word INFIDEL come to mind?
9 posted on 08/06/2006 7:10:45 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: staytrue
No one is going to rule the world. Every one needs to get that through one's head.

Probably true, but how many of us are going to die so that the muzzies learn that lesson?

10 posted on 08/06/2006 7:15:18 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!<P>)
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To: lancer

As good as anything Oliver North has ever said. Thanks Ollie. BTTT!


11 posted on 08/06/2006 7:16:27 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Sam Cree

You win the prize for the most succinct reply.


12 posted on 08/06/2006 7:17:21 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!<P>)
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To: Hong Kong Expat


They want us dead, HKE. And they won't rest until we are, so it is time to take off the rose colored glasses as well as the gloves, because it will be either us or them, Sir.


13 posted on 08/06/2006 7:18:08 PM PDT by Paperdoll (........Washington Staters, Vote for McGavick!)
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To: Lurker
They want us dead or Dhimmi.

Or the third option: converted. As the stupid or still-nazi Germans are doing, it seems.

14 posted on 08/06/2006 7:20:33 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Hong Kong Expat

What they despise is simply that we are not Muslims. There is nothing more to explain about it that is not merely an elaboration on this basic truth.


16 posted on 08/06/2006 9:55:29 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The worst thing about censorship is XXXXXXXXXXXXX)
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To: lancer

Who cares what they want? They should be worried about what we want.

I believe this would significantly improve our strategic position in the War on Terror.

We should destroy the Iranian oil industry. By Bombing all oil transportation facilities, pipelines, storage tanks, tanker trucks, rolling stock, refinery’s etc… we can cripple the funding of numerous terrorist organizations, Hezbollah, Hama’s, Sadr’s militia, Syria, as well as make it more difficult for Iran to buy missiles and such from North Korea, China, and Russia.
It would remove Iran’s threat that if we attack they will shut off the oil. Making the threat ridiculous and demonstrating that they are a single product state and without oil, and no other product that the world wants, they are nothing. Additionally, by declaring that we will destroy any reconstituting oil industry as long as the Mullacracy remains in charge, we can focus the Iranian’s blame for the situation, on the Theocracy and their support of Terrorism.
This will also bring home to all the other oil producing countries like Venezuela, Libya, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, etc… that they are very vulnerable to the same tactic.
In addition, this will gain us time for the Iraqi’s to stand on their own, and free up troops we would need if we have to go into Iran, North Korea or somewhere else.
Sure the price of gas will rise, but this will also demonstrate to the world that the USA is not in Iraq for the Oil, and the onus can be shifted on to the Democrats for not allowing more domestic production.
“It’s not the control of the spice but the power to destroy the spice that is the real power.”
It has recently been said that the nuclear production facilities in Iran are so deep underground that we can’t reach them with conventional weapons. Perhaps so, but maybe we can starve those facilities of funds. Nuclear weapons are terribly expensive to build, and if Iran now needs all its money to repair vital life supporting infrastructure, it may have to slow or stop its attempt to build an atomic bomb.
Finally, Iran is a state sponsor of Terrorists, it must be punished, and it must be seen to be punished. Iran’s continued sponsorship of terror is a slap in America’s and President Bush’s face, and it must be answered.
The following was written in response to an objection I received about having to pay more for fuel if this strategy was followed.
I think you are overly concerned about the economic considerations, and not concerned enough about the need to prosecute the War on Terror to the utmost.
1. The US has a full Strategic Petroleum Reserve of 700 million Barrels, and we aren't the only nation with an SPR. What good is it if you never use it? The average price paid on that 700 million barrels was $27, so the nation would actually make a profit selling it now.
2. The only reason the US isn't energy independent now is because of political factors. 2 Trillion Barrels of oil in oil shale (see www.oiltechinc.com). Any organic matter can be turned into fuel (see www.powerenergy.com). The US would and should be using much more Nuclear power if it wasn't for the Ecofreaks. There are also many areas in the US that are now off limits to drilling. All it takes is the political will to develop all of these. Higher fuel prices will provide that political pressure.
3. Iran is using diplomatic processes, just like the Nazi's before them. Talking is a waste of our time.
4. Iran subsidizes gas at $.10 a gallon, so by destroying the Iranian oil industry not only do we instantly remove 20% of their GDP. We put them all on foot, and in the dark.
5. The mullahs want to take their world back to the 7th century, we should assist them.

Iran exports 2.5 million barrels of oil a day, Iranian as well as the rest of the Persian gulf oil producers, produce what is called heavy sour crude which typically sell for 20%-25% less than the benchmark sweet light crude quoted on the spot markets. So, with that understanding we can roughly calculate the gross income Iran’s economy generates from oil exports. At a price of $75 Barrel Iran will get 80% of that price for its low grade crude, or $60. $60 x $2.5 million barrels x 365 days = $54.75 billion. Now from the CIA world fact book we can see that Iran has a GNP of $564 billion. So by destroying Iran’s oil industry their GDP is cut by 10% just from the lost of exports, but the damage is much deeper than that. Iran subsidizes gasoline at $.10 a gallon and Iran consumes 1.425 million barrels of oil a day. With the oil industry destroyed the cars, trucks, trains, and power plants no longer run. That means no machinery, no electricity, and no modern economy. I can’t estimate what Iran’s GDP would decline to, but the poorest nation on earth still has cars and electricity. I think much of the population would either revolt or start walking for the boarders. They couldn’t import oil because we would destroy tankers, pipelines, and rolling stock.


17 posted on 08/06/2006 10:25:56 PM PDT by Eagle74 (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots)
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To: lancer

They want the world. What they will come away with is a dung heap of their own ashes.


18 posted on 08/06/2006 10:28:27 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (Merry Christmas!)
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To: ThurstonHowell
I think they just want a small business loan. I have heard then hundreds of times calling out for something called Allah's Snack bar.
20 posted on 08/07/2006 2:41:23 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Merry Christmas!)
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To: lancer

thnx


21 posted on 08/07/2006 6:53:30 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: Lurker

I say we kill them first.

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I vote for that plan.


22 posted on 08/07/2006 7:43:27 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: BigCinBigD

Allah's Snack bar

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LOL!


23 posted on 08/07/2006 7:47:25 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: lancer

Juan Williams yesterday had the nerve to say with a straight face that the fact that we are tied down in IRAQ means we can't provide the troops necessary to get between the Izzies and the hexbos in Lebanon.

1) We have the troops

2) Those divisions we have in Iraq are right where we want them to be.

3) We can never put troops in South Lebanon unless we mean to invade and occupy. The hezbos would just look at us as something to attack. That's what happened in 1982, as far as that goes.

I also heard some bum on Fox say the following of the Marine Barracks Bombing -- "That was a long time ago." I don't forget about things like that.


24 posted on 08/07/2006 8:06:00 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: thoughtomator
What they despise is simply that we are not Muslims.

If all other religions were to disappear from this earth, the muslims would soon be at each other's throats, as is happening now in Baghdad and as has happened in the past throughout the muslim world.

25 posted on 08/07/2006 3:35:34 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!<P>)
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To: lancer
Of course, because unless they follow the exact same version of Islam, none can consider any other to be a true Muslim!
26 posted on 08/07/2006 3:41:43 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The worst thing about censorship is XXXXXXXXXXXXX)
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To: lancer

Culture of death and ddestruction. Muslims offer nothing.


27 posted on 08/07/2006 5:12:03 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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