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Analysis: Lieberman loss poses challenge
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/8/06 | David Espo - ap

Posted on 08/08/2006 9:04:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Sen. Joe Lieberman's primary defeat Tuesday night came at the hands of Democratic voters angry over the war in Iraq and demanding that lawmakers stand up to President Bush rather than stand with him.

It wasn't a polite message they sent their three-term senator, a former vice presidential running mate who fell to anti-war challenger Ned Lamont. It was an eviction notice, served by an electorate that has grown remarkably sour about the course their country is on.

That makes the result both an opportunity and a challenge for Democrats nationally as they head into a fall campaign with control of the House and Senate at stake.

To triumph in November, Democrats will need the same intensity, including the support of bloggers and groups such as MoveOn.org, that powered Lamont to victory in Connecticut.

"I think there is huge dissatisfaction with the way the president is handling the war," said Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the chairman of the party's Senate campaign committee. "People are divided over whether we should have a strong, aggressive foreign policy, but there's very little division even among those for a strong foreign policy that the president has really botched this in terms of having a plan, in terms of a direction, in terms of an endgame."

The challenge for Democrats is that Republicans already are pointing to the anti-war activists who flocked to Lamont, and their penchant for edgy political tactics, as evidence that Democrats can't be trusted with the nation's security.

"We'll soon find out just how significant this election is, but it's a problem for Democrats long-term," the Senate's second-ranking Republican, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said after Lamont had won.

"The McGovern wing of the Democrat party seems to have forgotten that we've been on offense for the last five years and that's why we haven't been attacked here at home."

There's nothing new or surprising about the GOP rhetoric. Less than 100 days before the elections, it's become obvious to Republicans that they can hardly afford allow the midterm elections to turn on a simple referendum on Bush and his policies.

Stoking concerns, or even fears, about Democratic leadership served Republicans well in 2002 and 2004, the first two campaigns conducted in the shadow of the terror attacks of 9/11.

Their hope is it will again this fall, particularly among swing voters who will settle key House races in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky and even Connecticut.

However they handle their balancing act on the war, Schumer, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada and other party leaders who sought unsuccessfully to save Lieberman intend to swing behind Lamont as early as Wednesday. Lieberman expects it, and party unity demands it.

That doesn't mean the three-term incumbent intends to go quietly. In the same breath he conceded the primary, he vowed to run as an independent. He would join Lamont and Republican Alan Schlesinger on the fall ballot in a race that could again have repercussions beyond Connecticut.

"Republicans are anxious to say the left wing is taking over, the antisecurity wing" of the Democratic Party, the three-term senator said recently, not exactly rebutting the claim as he repeated it.

It will be days before the polls can measure a three-way race with accuracy. A Quinnipiac survey in mid-July suggested Lieberman would head into the campaign in a strong position, finding 51 percent support for him, 27 percent for Lamont and 9 percent for the Republican.

With his primary victory, Lamont almost certainly will gain support, at least intially, in a three-way matchup. In defeat, Lieberman will lose it, and the next poll could produce far different results than the last.

In the final days of his primary campaign, Lieberman was fond of saying that in embracing Lamont's candidacy, the voters were trying to send him a message and that they would in the end return to his side. He offered them a reason to do it, stressing his many differences with the president without changing his fundamental support for the war.

It was more than that, though. In private polls, fewer than 10 percent of Democrats surveyed said they thought the country was headed in the right direction, an extraordinary level of dissatisfaction.

Lieberman, taunted as Bush's best Democratic friend in Congress, bore the brunt of it.

Soon, Democrats hope, it will be Bush's turn, or at least the Republicans who control the House and Senate.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006; analysis; challenge; democrats; election2006; electioncongress; joementum; lamont; lieberman; loss; moonbatwing; poses
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1 posted on 08/08/2006 9:04:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Rice/Lieberman in 2008?


2 posted on 08/08/2006 9:05:53 PM PDT by Tax Government (Defeat Islamic imperialists)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hye they couldn't beat Bush nor pick up seats in midterm elections thus far so they took it out on Liberman. The irony is delicious!


3 posted on 08/08/2006 9:08:09 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Tax Government

>>Rice/Lieberman in 2008?<<

No freakin way - Joe's a nice guy and I like him but check his voting record on everything from unions to abortion - he's a nice guy but no conservative.


4 posted on 08/08/2006 9:08:25 PM PDT by gondramB (We will have peace, when you and all your works have perished and the works of your dark master)
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To: NormsRevenge
Soon, Democrats hope, it will be Bush's turn,

Espo keeps forgetting that Bush is not running again.

5 posted on 08/08/2006 9:11:48 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: gondramB

Is Rice?


6 posted on 08/08/2006 9:14:16 PM PDT by mhx
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To: NormsRevenge
Let the Koss Kids celebrate while they can.

Long term I think this might be good for the U.S.

This bodes ill for Hillary to pass muster in the primaries.Also the distinct possibility of one less Democrat in the Senate if Lieberman wins as an Independent or "gasp" the Republican can win after a dirty and long race splits the Dem's votes enough for a slim win.

7 posted on 08/08/2006 9:15:35 PM PDT by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: mhx

In his heart Joe Lieberman is still a democrat. He will vote for and support the democrat leadership even as they toss him under the bus!


8 posted on 08/08/2006 9:16:02 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: mhx

the gift that keeps givin, the lefty rats


9 posted on 08/08/2006 9:17:31 PM PDT by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: mhx

>>Is Rice? {conservative} <<

I don't know.... I know she's smart and she's loyal but so far she has always represented the President's positions, not necessarily her own.


10 posted on 08/08/2006 9:18:25 PM PDT by gondramB (We will have peace, when you and all your works have perished and the works of your dark master)
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To: NormsRevenge

The MSM is acting as though Lamont won by a landslide but the way I read it and the way the MSM is really writing it, 48% of the Democrats believe in the Iraq mission.


11 posted on 08/08/2006 9:18:34 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Tax Government
Rice/Lieberman in 2008

If either of them is on the ticket I'll do what I do when McCain is up for re-election, VOTE LIBERTARIAN!

12 posted on 08/08/2006 9:18:57 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Tax Government
They tried to make this race a referendum on Bush. But if it was Lieberman got more votes from Democrats than Bush did amoung the entire electorate in 2004.

If the Bush "standin" got 48 percent of the Democratic vote, how much of the Republican and Independent vote would Bush need to win Connecticut today?

But Bush lost Connecticut 54 to 44 with 2 percent going to third party candidates in 2004. If in fact Lieberman was a Bush stand in Bush should win Connecticut in a race today by at least 55 percent.

And the MSM says anti war is a winner. But Anti War can barely win half the Democrat votes. It surely would do worse among Independents and Republicans.

13 posted on 08/08/2006 9:19:11 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: builder

There's no chance of a republican pickup here.


14 posted on 08/08/2006 9:19:13 PM PDT by Lt_funk
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To: NormsRevenge

Clearly written top to bottom far ahead of time, before Lieberman strode in front of cameras to launch his INDEPENDENT re-election campaign as incumbent Senator from Connecticut.

I think this is hugh. Seriously. (couldn't say it)

If Joe plays his cards right, he could tip the Democrat party on its pointy head. And start a new American political party.

I hope he does.


15 posted on 08/08/2006 9:20:42 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: gondramB
he's a nice guy but no conservative.

I dunno. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. Joey just got mugged.

16 posted on 08/08/2006 9:22:43 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71)
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To: Lt_funk

The Republicans won't win there but it sure is fun watching the Rats eat their own.


17 posted on 08/08/2006 9:22:48 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: NormsRevenge
It was an eviction notice, served by an electorate

Wrong. The moonbats of the Democrat Party aren't "the electorate."

18 posted on 08/08/2006 9:25:14 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: Lt_funk

"There's no chance of a republican pickup here."




But won't Lieberman and Lamont split, say, 60% of the vote (call it 30-30), while the Pubbie gets 40%?


19 posted on 08/08/2006 9:26:41 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: NormsRevenge

Is the Republican candidate pro-life?

If not is the GOP candidate for partial birth infanticide as Lieberman is.


20 posted on 08/08/2006 9:28:58 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: Eccl 10:2
But won't Lieberman and Lamont split, say, 60% of the vote (call it 30-30), while the Pubbie gets 40%?

Republicans are about 25 percent of the voters in Connecticut. There is no way a Republican can win..

21 posted on 08/08/2006 9:33:51 PM PDT by Common Tator
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If nothing else, Joe had some clout on the Hill. I am somewhat surprised the voters of CT are voting just on his support for the war in Iraq. He is socially a lefty, but conservative on foreign policy issues and a strong Israeli supporter. The Dems throw out a reasonably legitimate VP of the US candidate for a cable TV millionaire? You wanted it, you got it. You got it wrong on this one!

Dumbos scrambling for leadership when Junior Senators are not cutting it!


22 posted on 08/08/2006 9:33:54 PM PDT by PageMarker
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To: tobyhill
"The Republicans won't win there but it sure is fun watching the Rats eat their own."

Almost as much fun as a Roman circus.

23 posted on 08/08/2006 9:36:50 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: NormsRevenge
So Joe was Qualified to be President of the USA in 2000, but not qualified to be Senator of the 2nd smallest State in the Union in 2006? What gives?
24 posted on 08/08/2006 9:37:13 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: PageMarker
"The Dems throw out a reasonably legitimate VP of the US candidate for a cable TV millionaire?"

The rats hate for George Bush will be their undoing.

Well that and other things.

25 posted on 08/08/2006 9:40:11 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Lt_funk
There's no chance of a Republican pickup here.

I imagine you are right.But ,this race certainly has the potential to get real ugly between Lamont and Lieberman.

Different factions of the Democrat party will be forced to choose sides which helps splinter and anger the Dem's base groups.

This could depress Dem voters in other races and keep the Dems from focusing on one message.

Stranger things have happened.

26 posted on 08/08/2006 9:41:48 PM PDT by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
"So Joe was Qualified to be President of the USA in 2000, but not qualified to be Senator of the 2nd smallest State in the Union in 2006? What gives?"

George Soros and the brain dead robots who follow him.

27 posted on 08/08/2006 9:42:09 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Exactly, not big enough to be a county :)


28 posted on 08/08/2006 9:47:29 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: blackbart.223
Lot`sa happy folks in Tehran tonite. Wonder how the MSM will report that factoid
29 posted on 08/08/2006 9:55:58 PM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: NormsRevenge

Proof positive, Democrats in CT are KOOKS!!


30 posted on 08/08/2006 10:04:01 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: gondramB

I feel the same way. A great guy...But not even close to conservative enough. He's one of the most liberal guys around, Iraq war support aside. Of course, if I lived in Conneticut, that might be enough to make me support him. If only to tweak the Democratic nutroots.


31 posted on 08/08/2006 10:13:29 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: My2Cents

"Wrong. The moonbats of the Democrat Party aren't 'the electorate.' "

I agree. Lieberman's defeat at the hands of what is supposedly his own party, indicates just how far "moonbat" the democrats have gone - not the "electorate." It also indicates that the unhinged weirdos and radicals have, indeed, taken real control of the party. We can only hope that most Americans to see these fringe lunatics as what they are, and realize they don't represent "the people" as a whole by a long shot.


32 posted on 08/08/2006 10:15:10 PM PDT by knightshadow
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To: Badray; smokeyb; HarleyLady27; jim_g_goldwing

This is going to provide some great entertainment in the coming months. I bet there are lessons here for Ricky too.


33 posted on 08/08/2006 10:17:02 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: NormsRevenge


I'm sorry - the vote was pretty close. It's hardly what this story makes it out to be.


34 posted on 08/08/2006 10:24:24 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Tzimisce

Oh, let the left wackonutcases have their phun and "victory". They don't have much to celebrate lately. ;-)

anything close was a win for Joe.. too bad the gop doesn't have a dog in the hunt.. yet.


35 posted on 08/08/2006 10:35:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: Tax Government
Rice/Lieberman in 2008?

I like it.
36 posted on 08/08/2006 10:38:04 PM PDT by no dems (www.4condi.com)
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To: Sun
Is the Republican candidate pro-life?

Unsure about that but he is faciing some ethics charges and does not have the chance of that proverbial snowball.
37 posted on 08/08/2006 10:40:38 PM PDT by no dems (www.4condi.com)
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To: Sun

I hear the Republican candidate is pro-gambling.


38 posted on 08/08/2006 11:02:39 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: no dems; Tax Government

What the hell is it with you two?

Condi is a hot babe, but globalist in nature and with no real conservative credentials other than being pro gun.

Joe is a soft spoken nice guy, by all accounts, but he is a hard core liberal.

Why do you want these two to be the GOP standard bearers?


39 posted on 08/08/2006 11:08:09 PM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: Tax Government
>> Rice/Lieberman in 2008? <<

Oh goodie, I can't wait to vote for a 100% pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action, illegal alien sympatherizer ticket.

40 posted on 08/08/2006 11:12:15 PM PDT by BillyBoy (ILLINOIS ELECTION "CHOICES:" Rod Bag-o-$hit or Judas Barf Too-Pinka)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Aah, but lessons must not only be taught, but they must be received. Ricky isn't receptive.


41 posted on 08/08/2006 11:15:16 PM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: tobyhill
48% of the Democrats believe in the Iraq mission.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That's right, and that means they do not believe their party's propaganda in the MSM.

What that also means is that about 50% of Democrats in one of our most liberal states understand the strategy and gravitas of the long term war to defeat Islamofascism.

The CUT & RUN Dems a la Murtha/Dean may yet be sent to the back of the bus, and if so, then the Dems will stand to be electable commodities in the eyes of the electorate nationally. Not good. I am rooting that the Murtha / Dean CUT & RUN Dems gain pre-eminance in the Dim party, thereby cementing them to electoral oblivion

War looms on the horizon , and the electorate knows it. Who would want an appeasement oriented Congress along with an appeasement POTUS in 2008?

It would take a profound idiot to ignore the parallels our present international situation has to the pre WWII years in Europe. The War against Islamofascism and national security will dictate the voting patterns of the electorate

Hillary does not have the ability or image to be Commander in Chief. Actually very few Democrats do , while men like Giuliani, Toricelli and Allen appear to , perhaps Giuliani makes the strongest impression. A Giuliani/Rice ticket would shake the very foundations of the Dim party.Or maybe even a Rice/Giuliani ticket. I believe that Condi has the ability to be Commander in Chief, and I also believe that Dubyah has been grooming her for a run at the presidential nomination. Last Monday's press conference by Dubyah and Condi made that fairly apparent.

The Dems have no viable set of candidates or even a strategy to offer the electorate, and long may they squabble over what appeasement of Islamofascism and dedication to defeat Islamofascism mean to their ideologically challenged party. One can hope that they continue to just NOT get it. Certainly the media spin of this article assures a prolonged division among Dems, who fail to adequately conclude just what a 48% vote for Leiberman means. Dems are as stuck as rusty, greasy old frying pans calling the kettle black, and since that doesn't work, lets hope they keep it up.

42 posted on 08/08/2006 11:53:21 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Eccl 10:2

If the Republicans don't have a strong candidate to take on Lieberman and Lamont, then I see Lieberman getting more Republican votes, which might just be the edge he needs to beat Lamont...

Sure I would like a strong Conservative to win Joes seat, but if that isn't going to happen then I would rather see then man that puts country instead of party first, keep his Senate seat...


43 posted on 08/08/2006 11:55:19 PM PDT by The Chief
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To: Common Tator

Hey. Excellent logic and good points.


44 posted on 08/09/2006 12:00:37 AM PDT by Kay
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To: Candor7
Toricelli

Toricelli?

I believe that Condi has the ability to be Commander in Chief, and I also believe that Dubyah has been grooming her for a run at the presidential nomination. Last Monday's press conference by Dubyah and Condi made that fairly apparent.

Good God!

Bush can't even groom his own immigration policy. As for Rice and Guiliani, why don't you and the rest of the Bushbots simply surrender to RHINOISM?


45 posted on 08/09/2006 2:25:54 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: Candor7

"War looms on the horizon , and the electorate knows it. Who would want an appeasement oriented Congress along with an appeasement POTUS in 2008?

It would take a profound idiot to ignore the parallels our present international situation has to the pre WWII years in Europe."

You should check out the MSM a little more often. War isn't looming, it's been here for a few years now. That, the electorate is well aware of. (unlike you) Also, it's the alleged 'parallels' with pre WWII years in Europe argument that got us into Iraq in the first place. In 2006, the parallel that's emerging more closely resembles Vietnam. The GOP is still in control and probably will remain so in Nov. But with MORE not less troops going into a country that was already supposed to be pacified (according to the neo-cons and hawks of 2003) the present course of events suggest Lieberman's loss marks a turning point with the fence-sitters who actually decide where an (honest) election goes. At present course and speed Iraq could be the ice-berg of the GOP Titanic in 2008.


46 posted on 08/09/2006 1:52:37 PM PDT by modusoperendi (Democracy starts with reason and intelligence, not the gun barrel.)
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To: Candor7

"The Dems have no viable set of candidates or even a strategy to offer the electorate,"

You forgot Kerry. Got 48% in 2004, remember. actually served in combat (unlike el presidente, who seems to have been awol). If Iraq is still in flames and US troops are still going into Iraq rather than exiting (like they are right now) then a Jeb Bush vs. Kerry matchup (or Rice vs. Kerry, possibly) would probably go to Kerry by about the same margin as was the case for Bush in 2004. That's assuming, of course, the game isn't rigged like the 2000 election was and the 2004 might have been (thank you Ohio electronic voting machines). Rigging another election with electronic voting machines and GOP members keeping the keys might end up being the only chance the GOP has. again.

Oh and please excuse the hypen in iceberg. not sure where that came from.


47 posted on 08/09/2006 2:08:20 PM PDT by modusoperendi (Democracy starts with reason and intelligence, not the gun barrel.)
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To: My2Cents

"I hear the Republican candidate is pro-gambling."

I'm not against gambling in moderation.


48 posted on 08/09/2006 2:19:08 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: no dems

"Is the Republican candidate pro-life?

Unsure about that but he is faciing some ethics charges and does not have the chance of that proverbial snowball."

I wonder if he's really guilty, though. It seems as if liberal Dems are always accusing Republicans, and then they end up being vindicated. Dirty politics?


49 posted on 08/09/2006 2:21:02 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: modusoperendi
War isn't looming, it's been here for a few years now.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Certainly I am aware of that. But it has not been a total war. I suppose I should say total war instead of war. We have what many might call a recreational war, which the democrats think is an optional war. We both disagree with that.

I believe that we are only in the outer shell of what is to come, for an Iran with nuclear weapons will redefine the war by necessity. Its only a matter of time before N. Korea, China or Russia provide nuclear arms to Iran, if that has not already happened.

You assume that I am not aware, when in fact my focus is on the nature of the parallels we currently are experiencing to the beginning rise of fascism in Europe. We now have fascism of an Islamic nature and our nation is largely unaware of the parallels. OUr anti-fascist movement is in its nascent stages.

There can be no negotiation with Islamofascists. But we must go through the motions I suppose. Total war is looming on the horizen. We are fortunate to have interdicted this rise, for we waited until too late prior to WWII. Now the task is to prepare for total war, for it is undoubtly at hand.And we must act as our forefathers did.

The Democrats are dinosaurs, and the sooner we begin their riducule and destruction as a party, instead of RINOizing, the better prepared we will be for the very difficult time we are about to face for 20 or 30 years.

Of this I am very much aware. And having lost friends and neighbors in the present conflict, I am also very aware of our present war, contrary to your statement concerning what my awareness is, an interesting leap in rather prejudicial self serving logic from one who knows me not. Insecure are we?

Denigrating one who is anallie is one of the frequent obstacles that we have here on FR. It comes from an assumption of false superiority in terms of knowledge and expewrience. If we are to prevail in the years to come, such comments are hardly contributive or positive in the work we must do together.

50 posted on 08/09/2006 2:39:38 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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