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Psychological Roots Of Islamic Rage
Jewish Press ^ | 09 August 2006 | Phyllis Chesler, Ph.D., Nancy H. Kobrin, Ph.D.

Posted on 08/12/2006 1:20:47 AM PDT by Lorianne

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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
One from Winston Churchill 1899

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899])

51 posted on 08/12/2006 7:09:49 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; Lorianne; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; ...
"How come insulting ugly or fat people is rude, but insulting small men is ordinary ..."

IMHO, because - not withstanding it's many valid points - the entire article reeks of sexist agenda driven radical feminist bias & hypocrisy.

The reality of female violence & atrocities, particularly against males, is completely ignored.

As example, there are many well-documented instances of Muslim women mutilating the corpses of murdered 'infidels'.

In the cited case of Marc Lepine, actually his father abused his mother who then abused him both illustrating the reality of on-going non-gender-based circles of domestic violence & begging the question of who (& of which gender) was the abuser of Lapine's father?

What doesn't fit with the author's analysis are statistics (like those well-documented by Stats Canada) which show that acts of violence are virtually equally divided between the sexes &, thus, indicate that violence is a societal rather than a gender based problem. The intentional ignoring of same both feeds what's become a radical feminist funding 'domestic violence industry' throughout North America & works to advance the left's war against the traditional family by demonizing males & promoting self-serving acrimony between the sexes.
52 posted on 08/12/2006 7:28:50 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: anglian
Yes, a good point and the others on this thread are likewise good. Looked at from a sociological view, everything said is at least plausible.

The only thing I could add is from the individual point of view. In the end-of-the-world Protestant heresies it is important to note that when the end of the world does not occur, proselytizing increases rather than decreases and another date is set.

Uncertainty of faith is a common experience. Some look for external reinforcement in the physical world. Others redouble efforts and deny their doubts by become super religious with an unquestioning mind.

Some seek to prove their faith with vehemence--I think this is the way some Muslims react. Rather than face their doubts they attack the source of their doubts. Others facing doubt and despair engendered thereof are eager to die as jihadists or suicide bombers. Again, proving their faith,denying their doubts and ending their uncertainty with suicide.

I do believe the Muslims are facing a crisis of doubt and uncertainty. Soon this will crumble under as the individual doubters become the movers and shakers. In the meantime they and we suffer.

Never underestimate the need for an individual to find certainty where none exists. Out of this goal or need much evil occurs.

53 posted on 08/12/2006 7:49:37 AM PDT by shrinkermd (What most people call "thinking" is really "emoting." The aggregation is public opinion--Mark Twai)
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To: shrinkermd

Your post (#53) makes a lot of sense.


54 posted on 08/12/2006 11:15:24 AM PDT by CaptainCanada (Citizenship which costs nothing is worth nothing..........................................)
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To: Lorianne

Marking.


55 posted on 08/12/2006 11:19:09 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Either vote for Rick Santorum or elect a TRUE Liberal. The truth hurts.)
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To: kinoxi

koranimals


56 posted on 08/12/2006 1:57:45 PM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: dubaijazz
"Well, I don’t know with which lie on thread I shall start, however the ‘creativity’ issue, which you have raised, is appalling.
I can assure you that people here (in the middle east) are as creative as their Homo sapiens fellows. The bunch of clowns assigned by the US administration to rule this region, are the only source of tyranny and constraint in the Middle East."


My post acknowledged that people in the Middle East can be creative. Perhaps you need to work on your poor English before intruding on a website for American Conservatives.

Your post is a good example of what we can expect in the future from you thankless slobs, just like France, how charming. But at least there won't be the plotting of our being murdered anymore. Perhaps that is what is upsetting you the most?
57 posted on 08/12/2006 11:53:05 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Is this website really for American conservatives? I didn’t know that!
Now, wouldn’t the American conservatives like to hear the other side of the story?
My English is good enough to convey the message, please don’t try to make me feel inferior, I had a view of point which I wanted to cast, that's it.


58 posted on 08/13/2006 2:38:11 AM PDT by dubaijazz (Why?)
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To: Lucky Dog
Thanks for the post Lucky, I seriously find your post interesting.
I am going to post a detailed reply soon when I am having enough time.
59 posted on 08/13/2006 2:44:24 AM PDT by dubaijazz (Why?)
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To: since 1854
there is no need to see a conspiracy in everything

Are we human or are we ostrichs? :-)
60 posted on 08/13/2006 2:47:26 AM PDT by cgbg (MSM aid and comfort to the enemy costs American lives.)
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To: dubaijazz

I look forward to your reply.


61 posted on 08/13/2006 4:54:18 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: dubaijazz
"Now, wouldn’t the American conservatives like to hear the other side of the story?
My English is good enough to convey the message, please don’t try to make me feel inferior, I had a view of point which I wanted to cast, that's it."


How come when you have an "other side of the story" it is "a view of point", but when I "cast" my point of view you call it "lies"?
62 posted on 08/13/2006 5:25:32 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Lucky Dog
It was really interesting to watch the debate between Heidi Harris and Amy Goodman the other day on MSNBC’s hardball, re the subject (is Islam an evil/destructive doctrine?)
Heidi’s approach was the average stereotypical superficial and insulting to all Muslims and I quote her here saying:
“Killing in Islam has started soon after the death of Muhammad””I don’t deny that there are few good Muslims, but the majority of evildoers on earth comes from among Muslims”
“I agree with president bush that Islam is a fascist religion, and I am glad that he eventually said it”
But I was pleased and proud with the firm and moderate reply of Amy:
“To smear a whole nation or religion like this is racist and disgusting”
“Even though Timothy Mc Veigh was Christian, Heidi wouldn’t label him as a fascist Christian, he would be normally called a ‘criminal’”
I found these excerpts from the US media as an apt introduction to start this post with, which is not meant to defend the evildoers among Muslims (and I acknowledge here that there are such bad apples amongst them), however, it would be useful to understand the context from which such violent people emerge.
I am not going to be confined to the ‘Creativity Constraints’ aspect of this dialogue, because the subject has so many implications at the back of the minds of the people involved in it, and whether we like it or not, the correlation between Islam and Terror would always float to the surface.
Terror by its abstract meaning is violence, violence itself is a method which is devised by some parties to settle disputes, and as long as these disputes are unsettled, violence will still be an inevitable option.
The US administration realized after 9/11 that the “deterrence theory” is not working anymore, Bush tried to change his policies toward spreading democracy in the middle east, and toward changing the deplorable situation that many of the people in the ME are experiencing, the situation that is driving many of them to radicalize.
There has become a need to search for the root causes of the problems, the simple approach of controlling countries by subordinating its rulers is no longer a viable option.
What do people in this part of the world want?
What are their aspirations?
The answer is simple, their needs don’t differ from those of other human beings: decent living, freedom, human rights, and democracy.
These are all achievable objectives, and they are also the basic requisites to enrich the soil that nurtures creativity and human development.
It’s not impossible for the US to have good and healthy relationship with the Arab states, provided that all the unsettled disputes are settled.
The core source of problems in the Middle East is the Arab-Israeli dispute, and unless and until this issue is figured out, there will still be depressions and ‘constraints’.
The previous US administrations have done a good job of sponsoring peace talks between Arab states and Israel; this effort needs to be revived immediately.

Quick notes:
- It is very knowledgeable and thoughtful gesture of you to mention how the humanity owes the Islamic civilization so many achievements, whether they are in algebra, math, philosophy, biology, or geography, and I must thank you for being fair and impartial with regards to history.
- Democratic elections in the Middle East don’t only take place in Iraq, Israel, and Turkey. They do take place in Palestine and Lebanon as well.
- The wealthiest person in India is an IT entrepreneur, and he’s a Muslim.
- The majority of populations in the developed state of Malaysia are Muslims.

Looking forward to hear from you soon, and it’s always a pleasure to have this calm and civilized discussion.
63 posted on 08/14/2006 10:40:01 AM PDT by dubaijazz (Why?)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; albyjimc2; Alexander Rubin; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

64 posted on 08/14/2006 10:53:03 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: dubaijazz

Have you ever met a Jew? What is your opinion of Jews?


65 posted on 08/14/2006 11:21:54 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: Lorianne
haSatan
66 posted on 08/14/2006 11:26:18 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Ps. 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
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To: Alouette

Yes dear, I haven't only met a Jew, one of my best friends is Jew, and he's Swedish also.
He's a wonderful guy, absolutely no frictions.


67 posted on 08/14/2006 11:41:14 AM PDT by dubaijazz (Why?)
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To: dubaijazz

I am not "dear" to you.


68 posted on 08/14/2006 11:42:50 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 97-103)
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To: muir_redwoods

I had forgotten how many great Muslim scientists, artists, politicians, philosophers, etc. that there were. These countries are run in the typical feudal style, with the top 5-10% having the majority of the wealth and the other 90-95% being kept in near poverty, other than the emirates. The masses are mostly uneducated and kept that way for a reason. Lebanon was once one of the most profitable democracies in the Middle East but with the influx of the Syrians and other jihadis can't even defend itself. Real creative.


69 posted on 08/14/2006 11:49:16 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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To: backinthefold

IIRC, it was in the instructions he left behind on what to do with his body.


70 posted on 08/14/2006 11:58:51 AM PDT by kallisti
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To: Lorianne

bump


71 posted on 08/14/2006 1:34:16 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: dirtbiker

I'm 5'9"...

... and I ridicule you!

Haha!

You 6'2" knigget.


72 posted on 08/14/2006 2:53:03 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone... and then breath some radioactive fire and stomp on things.)
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To: gogogodzilla

LOL!


73 posted on 08/14/2006 3:46:17 PM PDT by dirtbiker (I've tried to see the liberal point of view, but I couldn't get my head that far up my a$$....)
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To: fanfan; Lorianne; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; ...
When assessing the actions of Muslims, particularly Arabs, one should consider the genetic factors that have been at work for millenia. Most Muslim populations, archetypically that of Saudi Arabia, are inbred to the point that what any sane westerner would call " insanity" is absolutely endemic. These people rarely marry outside their own clan, and almost never outside of their own tribe.

Typical example is Osama bin Ladin, one of 75 children born to his father, a Yemeni, who typically was married to four of his cousins, many of them sisters (!), at a time, and whose parents were also cousins. He is gangly and abnormally tall, deaf, with poor eyesight and very bad kidneys. He has tics, and is nuttier than Aunt Laura's fruitcake. He could walk down a street in Riyadh completely unnoticed.

Osama is also married to various cousins and also has about 75 children. He is no exception in Saudi Arabia, where every other store front is an optometrist shop, a hearing aid store, or a dialysis facility. The gene pool is very dense. This is recognized by the Saudi government, which encourages the importation of brides from elsewhere in the Muslim world, particularly, Egypt,(where they may be just as inbred) Lebanon, and Turkey. Or if one is a really rich Saudi, one buys one's son a Bosnian, or Albanian bride.

Birth defects, both physical and mental are far more common than amongst western populations. Bottom line, we're playing cards with folks who ain't got a full deck, and too many jokers.

74 posted on 08/14/2006 7:45:38 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (How the hell did 12 apostles get into 1 Accord?)
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To: Alouette; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; albyjimc2; ...

Know-thy-enemy-ping


75 posted on 08/14/2006 7:47:50 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (How the hell did 12 apostles get into 1 Accord?)
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To: Lorianne

gherkins..


76 posted on 08/14/2006 9:17:52 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: anglian

That interview was a great read!


77 posted on 08/14/2006 9:32:50 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Kenny Bunk
That would go a long way to explain the behavior, and their belief in Islam.
78 posted on 08/15/2006 4:32:53 AM PDT by fanfan
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To: fanfan
That would go a long way to explain the behavior, and their belief in Islam.

Unfortunately, fanfan, when one downloads this information, it often makes HIM look kinda crazy.

However, I am a betting man and will wager a goodly sum that the parents of the Muslim criminal described in the post were at the very least, 2d cousins!

The magnitude of the problem in Saudi Arabia is huge. Since the l960's, the population has increased from 5 or 6 million, to close to 30 million. Oil money-fueled social programs have enabled the men of the lower classes to emulate the upper and have many clan-cousin-sister wives at a time, and change them frequently... so that they will father 35 or 50 highly inbred children by the time they reach 50. Infant mortality, while still high compared to the West, has also been greatly reduced.

This ties in directly to terrorism, because there are now an unprecedented horde of nutty young men in Muslim countries who haven't a damn thing to do except hang around the mosques and madrassas listening to fire-breathing, equally nutty, state-supported, imams.

79 posted on 08/15/2006 5:08:48 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (How the hell did 12 apostles get into 1 Accord?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Fascinating comments. I had no idea that their society was like that.

The lower castes in India have this same sort of situation. With some of those people, the lights are on but there is definitely no one home.

The nobility of Europe and also of ancient Rome were filled with wackos and nutjobs because of inbreeding. That's bad enough, but when you get a whole country full of it then that's a disaster.


80 posted on 08/16/2006 5:53:27 AM PDT by webstersII
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