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Sleep With Neanderthals? Apparently We (homo Sapiens) Did
Seattle Times ^ | 8-13-2006 | Faye Flam

Posted on 08/13/2006 4:11:37 PM PDT by blam

Sleep with Neanderthals? Apparently we (homo Sapiens) did

By Faye Flam

The Philadelphia Inquirer

Though it's been 150 years since mysteriously humanlike bones first turned up in Germany's Neander Valley, the find continues to shake our collective sense of human identity.

Neanderthals are humanity's closest relatives, with brains at least as big as ours, and yet we don't know whether we should include them as members of our own species.

No longer does science consider them our direct ancestors but some suspect Neanderthals and modern homo Sapiens interbred during the 20,000 some-odd years we co-existed in Europe. The archaeological record doesn't tell us one way or another, but earlier, researchers announced they would seek more clues by scraping DNA from Neanderthal bones and teeth.

The question of sex with Neanderthals speaks to our understanding of ourselves, our origins and our uniqueness. If this other type of human being wasn't like us, what was he like?

As I started researching this issue, I found myself staring at a picture of a nude Neanderthal man — a forensic sculpture created by Duke University paleoanthropologist Steve Churchill that was published last year in the journal Science. The model, based on a skeleton found at La Ferrassie in France, is mesmerizing in its combination of familiarity and alienness.

To be honest, he's really not half bad looking. He's got a good, muscular body, and while he's nobody's idea of handsome, that could be forgiven if he had a nice personality or I was starving and he offered to throw some rhino steaks on the fire for me.

We're not talking about the stoop-shouldered, hairy, apelike Neanderthal of popular culture. There's no evidence they were hairier than modern people, says anthropologist Harold Dibble, a curator at the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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1 posted on 08/13/2006 4:11:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 08/13/2006 4:12:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

But I don't drink anymore....


3 posted on 08/13/2006 4:13:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: blam

4 posted on 08/13/2006 4:13:23 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: blam

Well Ayla did. But what good did it do?


5 posted on 08/13/2006 4:14:25 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: blam

I've dated a few


6 posted on 08/13/2006 4:14:28 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cripplecreek
But I don't drink anymore....

Now, now, they are talkng about sleeping with a cavewoman. Not Helen Thomas.

Please note I created two opportunities to post pictures. Don't let me down.

7 posted on 08/13/2006 4:14:43 PM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: blam
Yea, but it was just once a long time ago and I was really, really drunk.

L

8 posted on 08/13/2006 4:14:54 PM PDT by Lurker (I support Israel without reservation. Hizbollah must be destroyed to the last man.)
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To: blam
Faye Flam's Carnal Knowledge column appears Sundays in The Seattle Times.
9 posted on 08/13/2006 4:15:39 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (August 22)
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To: blam

10 posted on 08/13/2006 4:15:56 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: BenLurkin

Things have gone seriesly downhill...

11 posted on 08/13/2006 4:16:25 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: blam

There is no evidence presented in this article to support the title. None whatsoever. Quite to the contrary, the article falsely proclaims: "The archaeological record doesn't tell us one way or another.." In actuality, this article is completely divorced from the most recent research, which points exclusively in the opposite direction: That modern humans did not interbreed with Neanderthal.


12 posted on 08/13/2006 4:17:23 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: blam

I had a girl friend from New Jersey!


13 posted on 08/13/2006 4:18:03 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET, IN MY SWAMP)
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To: Mount Athos

Oh, GROSS!!!

I am trying to eat dinner, here!!

:P

I may have to hit abuse....


14 posted on 08/13/2006 4:18:21 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: blam

This might explain who Cain slept with after he took off after killing Able.


15 posted on 08/13/2006 4:20:19 PM PDT by umgud (Do moderate muslims luv us infidels and Jews?.... Didn't think so.)
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To: blam
This thread sounds like FUN!! Oh, and who you calling a Homo?
16 posted on 08/13/2006 4:20:48 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: blam

Ok, OK, I was really desperate. Now will you just shut up about this?


17 posted on 08/13/2006 4:21:38 PM PDT by don'tbedenied
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To: blam

Serious question - I've always been curious as to how one reconciles this with the biblical version of the origins of man..


18 posted on 08/13/2006 4:22:43 PM PDT by CaptainCanada (Citizenship which costs nothing is worth nothing..........................................)
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To: blam
More evidence follows:


19 posted on 08/13/2006 4:23:45 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (John Bolton for Secretary of State)
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To: Mount Athos; dirtboy; Lurker
YIKES!
OMG!
...blinking back (painful) tears

20 posted on 08/13/2006 4:24:12 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just b/c your paranoid; Doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :)
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To: AntiGuv

That may be but you have not seen my Brother in Law.

Besides I think it was proven that by the mear existence of the French it proved that the Mongrel's breed with goats and pigs of eastern Europe.


21 posted on 08/13/2006 4:25:40 PM PDT by kentj
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To: AntiGuv

From what I see walking around, some "women" still do!


22 posted on 08/13/2006 4:26:04 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Mount Athos

Ugh! Don't you have something better to think about meditating in silence on your mountain top?


23 posted on 08/13/2006 4:26:25 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: CaptainCanada
No way to tell. But the neanderthal is no friend of Charles Darwin or of evolutionists. The concensus of scientific opinion is that the neanderthal made no contribution to the genetic makeup of modern man, is much too far genetically removed to be a plausible ancestor for modern man, and all other hominids are much further removed THAN the neanderthal.

That leaves no plausible evolutionary antecedant for modern man on this planet.

24 posted on 08/13/2006 4:26:36 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: blam

http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/neanderthal.html


25 posted on 08/13/2006 4:26:59 PM PDT by Ma3lst0rm (Waiting for your enemies to arm is not peace but waiting for your own guaranteed destruction.)
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To: blam

These two guys bring new meaning to the term "homo sapeins."

26 posted on 08/13/2006 4:27:03 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("These formidable people....will die for Liberty")
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To: the invisib1e hand

sapiens.


27 posted on 08/13/2006 4:27:41 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("These formidable people....will die for Liberty")
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To: blam

28 posted on 08/13/2006 4:28:14 PM PDT by Bobalu (This is not the tag line you are looking for.....move along (waves hand))
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To: tomzz

You missed Cro Magnon man.


29 posted on 08/13/2006 4:28:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Mount Athos

dang! another keyboard ruined!


30 posted on 08/13/2006 4:28:41 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: freedumb2003
Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
31 posted on 08/13/2006 4:28:42 PM PDT by digger48
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To: blam

I think this is true, and we should continue the trend. I want to breed a new race of half-gorrilla men to let loose on the Middle East


32 posted on 08/13/2006 4:28:45 PM PDT by chichilarue
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To: AntiGuv

In fact there was always a big mystery as to why there was zero evidence of crossbreeding despite the two groups living in close proximity for long periods of time. The DNA studies pretty much resolved the mystery. WE could no more interbreed with neanderthals than we could with horses. Moreover, doing it with a neanderthal would not be that much different than doing it with an ape.


33 posted on 08/13/2006 4:29:00 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: All

This explains where Democrats came from.


34 posted on 08/13/2006 4:29:37 PM PDT by CaliGangsta
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To: blam

oh, puLLEEZE, anything to deny the existence of God..anything to duhumanize, anything to make us more LIKE MONKEYS.


35 posted on 08/13/2006 4:29:42 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: blam

"Even when unfamiliar groups label each other as subhuman, they almost always have sex anyway."

And it invariably changes someone's luck.


36 posted on 08/13/2006 4:29:45 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: cripplecreek

Cro-magnon was a modern man, no different from us.


37 posted on 08/13/2006 4:29:54 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: wildwood
oh, puLLEEZE, anything to deny the existence of God..anything to duhumanize, anything to make us more LIKE MONKEYS

These are ancient humans, not monkeys.

38 posted on 08/13/2006 4:30:18 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: tomzz
The Neanderthal Theory
39 posted on 08/13/2006 4:31:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: Calpernia
I've dated a few

I thought we weren't going to talk about that...

40 posted on 08/13/2006 4:32:50 PM PDT by null and void (Imagine a world without a CAIR...)
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To: tomzz
Cro-magnon was a modern man, no different from us.

For all intensive purposes yes. A bit taller and maybe a bit more robust but the same could be said about the Japanese of today compared to those from the 1940s.
41 posted on 08/13/2006 4:32:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: eyespysomething
I found myself staring at a picture of a nude Neanderthal man

Neander-Tall porno ping

42 posted on 08/13/2006 4:32:55 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan,)
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To: null and void

ROFL!


43 posted on 08/13/2006 4:34:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: chichilarue

You're too late. They are already there.


44 posted on 08/13/2006 4:34:40 PM PDT by Fatuncle (Of course I'm ignorant. I'm here to learn.)
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To: blam
To be honest, he's really not half bad looking. He's got a good, muscular body, and while he's nobody's idea of handsome, that could be forgiven if he had a nice personality or I was starving and he offered to throw some rhino steaks on the fire for me.

Yeah, as if Faye Flam has much to bargain with..

Just to reiterate a couple points I made in that other thread of BS conjecture and fantasies that I commented at length on, we do not find mixed communities in the fossil record. Moreover, we have no idea what level of communication Neanderthals might muster, but it is absolutely safe to say that if they spoke any language it was not the language of contemporary Cro-Magnons. In other words, it's not altogether clear how Ms Flam would even communicate her desire to put out for some rhino steaks.

Furthermore, we have no way to know what the Neanderthal disposition might've been like. Ms. Flam seems to think it matters more whether she would have sex with Mr. Neanderthal than it matters whether he would have sex with her. Moreover, what makes Ms. Flam assume that Mr. Neanderthal would think her putting out was worth giving up a rhino steak for? Hell, I can see right now that I wouldn't give up a rhino steak for that.

Anyhow, I could go on and on and on. The problem here is that it's so easy to 'humanize' Neanderthals so that they're nothing more than slightly mishapen Cro-Magnons in the popular imagination, but the truth is that we know nothing at all about their personality or whatever passed for culture among them, much less about their sexual disposition. But the fact of the matter is that Cro-Magnons and Neanderthal by all evidence were separated by hundreds of thousands of years of divergent evolution, and that neither modern nor fossil DNA evidence has turned up any sign of interbreeding.

45 posted on 08/13/2006 4:34:56 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Yeah, well, next time maybe do a little research!


46 posted on 08/13/2006 4:35:00 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: blam

"As I started researching this issue, I found myself staring at a picture of a nude Neanderthal man..."

Too much information!


47 posted on 08/13/2006 4:37:21 PM PDT by toddlintown (IT)
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To: blam
Therayza Heinz Kerry
48 posted on 08/13/2006 4:38:15 PM PDT by Solamente (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out...)
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To: Eaker
Roll that beautiful Neanderthal-walk footage please, sir...

Y'all make this seem like a bad thing...

49 posted on 08/13/2006 4:39:54 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: blam

"Voulez-vous coucher avec moi?"
50 posted on 08/13/2006 4:41:40 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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