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Sleep With Neanderthals? Apparently We (homo Sapiens) Did
Seattle Times ^ | 8-13-2006 | Faye Flam

Posted on 08/13/2006 4:11:37 PM PDT by blam

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To: AntiGuv

Haunting eyes on that chick. Scary!


51 posted on 08/13/2006 4:43:34 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I always thought they were rather Cro-magnon.

You know, Yaleys ;)

52 posted on 08/13/2006 4:43:58 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: blam

You might have, but I can assure you that I did not.


53 posted on 08/13/2006 4:44:17 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Solamente

Hey give that guy a shave and a haircut and he looks a lot like me! Maybe I'm the missing link! :-)


54 posted on 08/13/2006 4:44:28 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: blam
I found myself staring at a picture of a nude Neanderthal man — a forensic sculpture created by Duke University paleoanthropologist Steve Churchill...

Unfortunately, just like everything else about evolution, this is a created sculpture, ie.. a fake

Evolution is bad sceince and its' theory does not pass the sceintific method.

IMHO, WhiteKnight

55 posted on 08/13/2006 4:44:50 PM PDT by WhiteKnight
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To: tomzz
In fact there was always a big mystery as to why there was zero evidence of crossbreeding despite the two groups living in close proximity for long periods of time. The DNA studies pretty much resolved the mystery. WE could no more interbreed with neanderthals than we could with horses.

There is much reason to think that modern humans could not interbreed with Neanderthals, simply because the vast preponderence of the evidence points squarely toward no interbreeding. But that being said, even if modern humans and Neanderthals could interbreed there are many, many sociocultural and behavioral factors that could very well make it never happen, or happen so rarely as to be of no consequence.

56 posted on 08/13/2006 4:45:05 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: Lazamataz; Calpernia
I've dated a few

Hey Laz, people are talking about your dating history again.

57 posted on 08/13/2006 4:45:35 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: HitmanLV
Haunting eyes on that chick. Scary!

Just bear in mind that they did not have make-up and tweezers 35,000 years ago. ;^)

58 posted on 08/13/2006 4:46:07 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: WhiteKnight
Evolution is bad sceince and its' theory does not pass the sceintific method.

IMHUO, WhiteKnight

Fixed your post. No charge.

59 posted on 08/13/2006 4:47:01 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: freedumb2003

LOL!


60 posted on 08/13/2006 4:48:06 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Love with a Neanderthal? It could have happened
Fort Wayne News-Sentinel | Thursday, August 3, 2006 | Faye Flam
Posted on 08/03/2006 11:28:21 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1677085/posts


61 posted on 08/13/2006 4:48:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks Blam.

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62 posted on 08/13/2006 4:49:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: patton

shhhhhhhhhhhhh ;)


63 posted on 08/13/2006 4:49:21 PM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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a tall glass of the usual, please:
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

64 posted on 08/13/2006 4:50:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BenLurkin

D@mn! That looks like my sister in law!


65 posted on 08/13/2006 4:51:40 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: leda

red hair is a neanderthal gene.


66 posted on 08/13/2006 4:53:03 PM PDT by patton (LGOPs = head toward the noise, kill anyone not dressed like you.)
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To: tomzz

In short, for all we know Neanderthals may've been inclined to kill modern humans on sight, or vice versa. There's certainly plenty of fossil evidence to establish that Neanderthal fossils vanish from any given region almost immediately after the arrival of Cro-Magnons.

We know that over and over again that tends to be the initial reaction of aboriginal humans, for that matter. It isn't 'Oh, come screw us'; it's 'Get the $%#& off our land!" Eventually, by conquest or by diplomacy, a rapport gets established, and then the screwing comes along, but to reiterate yet again, there is no reason to think that we could communicate with Neanderthal in anything but the most rudimentary fashion.

Would you want to go to sleep beside some incomprehensible wild-eyed burly ape-woman scheming how to bash your head in with a rock for all you know?


67 posted on 08/13/2006 4:53:16 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: chichilarue
I want to breed a new race of half-gorrilla men to let loose on the Middle East

Too late!
68 posted on 08/13/2006 4:53:25 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: patton

Thanks, patton, you just ruined my day. I'm red-headed. The only one in my family. Must have been a Neanderthal Ice-man :-0


69 posted on 08/13/2006 4:56:57 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: AntiGuv

Oh, which brings me to the other point that I forgot to re-mention: In order to have Neanderthal intermixed with modern human populations, then what you have to have is not human men sleeping with Neanderthal women, but rather human women sleeping with Neanderthal men. That's because you have to have the progeny end up back in the human community. So, what you need is for human women to somehow go sleep with Neanderthal men, return or remain in the human encampment, then bring the pregnancy to term, then to raise the hybrid up to adulthood, and then to have that hybrid cross-breed back into the human community again.


70 posted on 08/13/2006 4:58:00 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv
Would you want to go to sleep beside some incomprehensible wild-eyed burly ape-woman scheming how to bash your head in with a rock for all you know?

You really don't wanna go there, guv.
71 posted on 08/13/2006 4:58:28 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: wildwood

"oh, puLLEEZE, anything to deny the existence of God..anything to duhumanize, anything to make us more LIKE MONKEYS."

LOL - Don't you have to blame God ? He wrote the book on how to make humbans and monkeys, and it looks like he simply cut'n'pasted most from one to the other.


"The new study found that 99.4 percent of the most critical DNA sites are identical in the corresponding human and chimp genes. "
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3744

The scinetists are simply learning how to read those instructions.


72 posted on 08/13/2006 5:03:46 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: true_blue_texican
Do you have the bony ridges over your dental nerve canals? Protruding eye brows? A LARGER BRAIN than homo sapians?

Neanderthal genes.

Also likely to have too many teeth, more muscles, lanky arms, and allergies, ranging from asthma to Crohn's disease. Sinus infections are almost guaranteed.

Oddly enough, ringworms help.

73 posted on 08/13/2006 5:04:10 PM PDT by patton (LGOPs = head toward the noise, kill anyone not dressed like you.)
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To: patton

yep, um, we know ;)


74 posted on 08/13/2006 5:04:19 PM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: RS

Humbans = humans

Now if He only included the spelling gene ...


75 posted on 08/13/2006 5:04:56 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: patton
red hair is a neanderthal gene

Red hair has been idly speculated to be a neanderthal gene, but probably isn't.

76 posted on 08/13/2006 5:05:47 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: blam

Did we interbreed with Neanders? I don't know. But I do know some of us would have tried.

Remember when Former President Clinton saw the mummified body of a 16 year old Incan girl? He immediately said She Sure Looks Good To ME! And a few other comments.


77 posted on 08/13/2006 5:08:02 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: HitmanLV

Oh, and one more thing: I'm not saying that I wouldn't hit it if all I had to work with was what they would've had 35,000 years ago. What I'm saying is that I would not trade a rhino steak for it. ;^)


78 posted on 08/13/2006 5:08:37 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: freedumb2003
Your reply is predictably superfluous.

I had hoped for something actually substantative; I see this may be beyond your capability.

W.K.

79 posted on 08/13/2006 5:09:04 PM PDT by WhiteKnight
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To: blam

well, you see, we can't win for losing. It's been put forth by the scientist that either we slept with Neanderthals. Or, we up and killed all of them off.


80 posted on 08/13/2006 5:09:27 PM PDT by onyx eyes (.......................................can you say.... terr o rist...?)
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To: Horatio Gates

A clue as to where I clients come from?


81 posted on 08/13/2006 5:09:49 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: blam

This explains a lot of things I was wondering about.


82 posted on 08/13/2006 5:09:59 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: WhiteKnight
had hoped for something actually substantative;
83 posted on 08/13/2006 5:12:15 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: blam

What's the big deal? Their descendants are now sleeping with sheep and other barnyard animals.


84 posted on 08/13/2006 5:12:49 PM PDT by doctor noe
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To: WhiteKnight
I had hoped for something actually substantative; I see this may be beyond your capability.

Your statement is a blatent, unsupported assertion and therefore deserves nothing more than my reply.

Speaking to willful ignorance is like teaching a pig to dance.

85 posted on 08/13/2006 5:14:02 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: Mount Athos

This I certify to be a true Reuters photo...all the others were fakes...!


86 posted on 08/13/2006 5:14:05 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Proof against evolution:"Man is the only creature that blushes, or needs to" M.Twain)
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To: blam

A real "Coyote Date" Some guys will sleep with anything.


87 posted on 08/13/2006 5:14:52 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: WhiteKnight
Evolution is bad sceince and its' theory does not pass the sceintific method.

Word of advice: if you want to pontificate on what is and is not good science, learn to spell the word.

Otherwise, people may not take you seriesly. And that would be a hugh mistake.

88 posted on 08/13/2006 5:17:32 PM PDT by DanDenDar
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To: freedumb2003
Mimicry is the sincerest form of flatery, or in your case, I guess I should replace mimicry with aping.

W.K.

aping: to copy closely but often clumsily and ineptly

89 posted on 08/13/2006 5:22:15 PM PDT by WhiteKnight
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To: humblegunner
Here ya go!




90 posted on 08/13/2006 5:22:28 PM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - Travis McGee is my friend. “You’ll never need a gun, until you need it badly.”)
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To: Eaker

Neanderthals?


91 posted on 08/13/2006 5:23:58 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: WhiteKnight

What has gotten your knickers into such a twist?


92 posted on 08/13/2006 5:25:29 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: patton

Allergies and sinus infections, I have! Thanks for preparing me for things to come. Ringworms! Just dandy.


93 posted on 08/13/2006 5:26:28 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: Don Corleone
Some guys will sleep with anything.

In this equation it quite likely doesn't matter what human guys will sleep with; it matters what human girls will sleep with. That's the conceptual hurdle that a lot of people seem to have difficulty vaulting over. In order for the progeny to end up in human communities, then what you almost certainly have to have human women sleep with Neanderthal men. If what you have is human men ravishing Neanderthal women, the progeny are gonna end up back over in the Neanderthal community, and needless to mention all those went dead.

Then, assuming you have human women sleep with Neanderthal men (and willing to raise the hybrid progeny) what you also need is Neanderthal men willing to sleep with human women, and we can hardly assume that would be the case. If you want an analogy, take the common chimp and the bonobo chimp: the two closely related subspecies nonetheless have radically different sexual behaviors.

94 posted on 08/13/2006 5:29:08 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: WhiteKnight

You spout nonsense. Please grow up.

If you have a contention, backed with facts and logic, fine. Platitudes are a waste of time and electrons.


95 posted on 08/13/2006 5:29:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: freedumb2003
Your statement is a blatent, unsupported assertion and therefore deserves nothing more than my reply.

This was not a statement of assertion but a supposition; nor was it blatant; note the operative words "may be". So your are actually incorrect in your assumption. Have a good evening.

W.K.

Additionally let me help you! "blatent" is spelled blatant.

96 posted on 08/13/2006 5:29:57 PM PDT by WhiteKnight
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To: SuzyQue

I suspect not enough fiber.


97 posted on 08/13/2006 5:30:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam
Cross-referencing previous thread of 8/3/2006
98 posted on 08/13/2006 5:31:31 PM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned? Hell, that's better than the alternative!)
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To: AntiGuv

You are correct. They have found Neanderthal in Israel (near Carmel) that dated to about 92,000 years, and also Homo Sapiens Sapiens that dated about 102,000 years - we were contemporaneous with them (NOT descended from them!) Apparently, they were Hunter Gatherers and limited intelligently, while the Homo Sapiens Sapiens were farmers and more family oriented and had a better language and intelligence. Why Neanderthal died out, and we did not is a mystery to Anthropologists...


99 posted on 08/13/2006 5:32:02 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: SuzyQue; humblegunner

I'll let gunner (red hat) field that question.


100 posted on 08/13/2006 5:33:40 PM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - Travis McGee is my friend. “You’ll never need a gun, until you need it badly.”)
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