Skip to comments.How to Make Sure Children Are Scientifically Illiterate (Barf Alert)
Posted on 08/16/2006 6:42:08 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
Voters in Kansas ensured this month that noncreationist moderates will once again have a majority (6 to 4) on the state school board, keeping new standards inspired by intelligent design from taking effect.
This is a victory for public education and sends a message nationwide about the publics ability to see through efforts by groups like the Discovery Institute to misrepresent science in the schools. But for those of us who are interested in improving science education, any celebration should be muted.
This is not the first turnaround in recent Kansas history. In 2000, after a creationist board had removed evolution from the state science curriculum, a public outcry led to wholesale removal of creationist board members up for re-election and a reinstatement of evolution in the curriculum.
In a later election, creationists once again won enough seats to get a 6-to-4 majority. With their changing political tactics, creationists are an excellent example of evolution at work. Creation science evolved into intelligent design, which morphed into teaching the controversy, and after its recent court loss in Dover, Pa., and political defeats in Ohio and Kansas, it will no doubt change again. The most recent campaign slogan I have heard is creative evolution.
But perhaps more worrisome than a political movement against science is plain old ignorance. The people determining the curriculum of our children in many states remain scientifically illiterate. And Kansas is a good case in point.
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But now you're being too vague. You're lumping all people who believe a way other than you as "creationists," which is a word that can't well-enough describe the differing religious factions. People don't define themselves as "creationist," they define themselves as Baptists, or Catholics, or Muslims, or what-have-you, and they are all very diverse (trust me on this one). If they're trying to make creationism a viewpoint taught in public schools, it isn't because they are trying to force God's will on anyone (this would be impossible, because they all differ on what God's will IS), it's because they consider creationism a legitimate scientific viewpoint (whether they are right or not).
You describe an unlikely scenario of religious people in America become like the backwards barbarians of Islamofascism, but that in my opinion is inconceivable. It isn't pure Islam that has made the Middle East what it is today; it is Islam combined with post-WW2 fascism, combined with many other factors, that has created a cesspool of misery.
The first 6 days of God creating things were not actual days, time-wise. Some say each day represents a thousand years. I don't think anyone knows. A day of Creation in the Bible, could have been a million years. A 100 million.
About 15 years ago, I went through the Bible's 'begats' and other places to calculate for myself when Adam was born. I had to guess on some of the ages of death, but not most. I estimated 5,000 to 7,500 years being very conservative on my estimates. My average was 6,250, just using the Bible. An amazing book! Which, can be very confusing, producing many alternate interpretations.
What'choo talking 'bout Willis?
Seriously. What the heck are you talking about?
Yeah, I know it's wiki but about halfway done through the article it discusses the Chronology pretty similarly to what I had heard from other sources. It seems to be a fair treatment of how the date was arrived at and there are other links.
In fact, if you'd caught any of my posts on the matter I have a far different view of the origins of life on Earth than you can probably imagine.
It doesn't happen like you're saying it does. The witch-burning and abortion clinics are isolated incidents that rarely happen. The Native American issue had more to do with land than religion. As far as the missionary thing, my Mom does missionary work in Africa and I can honestly say that that is either a bold-faces lie or something that rarely happens.
And even still, all of those things are child's play compared to the Communists' rule of the Soviet Union, which made religion and all non-state activities executable offenses.
If you want your children to be illiterate, maybe you could just send them to school in New York?
I believe I have been calling them evangelicals who I believe are very similar to Islamofacists. I have even differentiated the fact that not all Creationist remind me of Mullahs . How is that vague? The fact that some of the creationists on this board and in this country are mouth breathing thugs who would like nothing better than to kill those Godless Atheists must be lost on you. I have met some of them and they aren't much more civilized than the average islamo just less organized thankfully. (I am not even Godless I just believe creationism in schools is wrong as it basically undermines rational scientific thought)
His original data clearly showed the effect of "jumping genes". His final data made it look like it was all a case of dominant and recessive traits.
You might be able to find an article on the net by using "mendel" "cheating" "academic fraud" "beans" "genes"
Most Fundamentalists see God...someone they can deal with.
Which makes him even MORE awesome.
"You know the creationst look more and more like the Mullahs everday. I sometimes can't tell the difference."
Thats really quite offensive.
Your best authorities in Islam have accepted evolution for quite some time.
I agree they are childs play but you aren't condemning these actions. You admit they happen but I don't see you saying that those things are wrong and shouldn't be done in the name of your religion. Should I hold you to a lower standard than the average Muslim that doesn't speak out against his religion's terrorism when he tells me those are isolated incidents.
They may be isolated but they come from the same place and the same thought patterns that create islamic fascism.
No reason we should respect the opinions of someone who doesn't have the slightest idea what "evangelical" refers to.
It isn't lost on me, it's just that EVERY viewpoint has nutcases like that. It's called "the fringe." Atheism is certainly no exception. And if those horrible people you speak of act out those "kill" beliefs, then they are terrorists, but the vast majority of them do not, or even deny that that's what they're saying. There are for more Muslims who act out on their insane beliefs than other religious folk, and that's why Islamofascism is a major problem.
It is equally offensive when I as a rational conservative get lumped in with liberals because I dont prescribe to the Church that you do. This is a board for conservatives and sometimes creationists need to be reminded that being a conservative is not a religious thing. Well most of the time they need a slap up side the head to get the point across.
I think many of the groups on here are guilty of that same attitude with their pet issue.
Well, the "NYT's average man on the street" being presented as the dominant view point is a whole lot like evo's claim that "all scientists" believe in evolution.