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Posted on 08/27/2006 4:38:10 AM PDT by BigBlueJonEdited on 08/27/2006 5:02:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Possible plane crash in Lexington, KY. My brother works security for Lexington UK Hospital and was just called in. No news locally or on major news outlets yet. I didn't want to post anything for fear of being wrong, but he's still waiting for an official call while on stand-by.
Update from WTVQ 36 Lexington:
A plane has crashed near the Blue Grass Airport this morning. No word on details at this time. We are told it was a commercial aircraft. Versailles Road is blocked as emergency vehicles circle around the site. We have live coverage beginning at 7:20am. Stay with Action News 36 for more details.
The only built-in "gotcha" at Bluegrass is the intersection of 22/26... almost co-lcated -- dark early morning... gotta watch those signs and double check the DG when lined up!!
If they crashed at the fire training center then they didn't crash Versailles road. The center is on the same side as the airport.
Airline press conference is about to begin. Airline hot line is 1-800-801-0088.
The Air France crash in Toronto (A340) was caused by a lightning strike on landing.
Modern aircraft have to reset if struck by lighting.
Approx. 5 years ago a far east airline (JAL,Air Singapore, etc., not sure) ... a 747 I believe, took off on the wrong runway on Taiwan. It was during a heavy, low visibility, rain ... the runway was under repair at the time, thus closed. The aircraft crashed with heavy fatalities.
This may already be known...
Last Updated 27/08/2006, 22:38
A passenger plane with around 50 people on board has crashed in the US state of Kentucky.
Local television says the accident occurred at Bluegrass Airport in Lexington.
It says emergency crews are on the scene trying to figure out what caused the incident.
The plane, belonged to Comair, a Delta-affiliated carrier.
It would be surprising if they did take off from the wrong runway. Someone, whether in the tower or in the cockpit should've seen the error. 8/26 is only actually used during daylight and VFR conditions.
Considering where the wreckage is located though, it certainly sounds like the pilots took-off from 8/26. For the pilots to have taken off from the correct runway (4/22), it would've had to veer hard right shortly after takeoff to end up in that area.
I heard the local reporter say "Ver-sails"
Thanks for the update.
This is excerpted per FR policy. Go to link at bottom for full story.
LEXINGTON, Ky. --A Comair flight carrying 50 people crashed a mile from Lexington's airport Sunday morning shortly after takeoff, the Federal Aviation Administration said. At least one person survived.
Comair Flight 5191, a CRJ-200 regional jet with 47 passengers and three crew members, crashed at 6:07 a.m. after taking off for Atlanta, said Kathleen Bergen, an FAA spokeswoman.
There was no immediate word on what caused the crash in a field about a mile from Blue Grass Airport. Light rain was falling at the time. The plane was largely intact afterward, but there was a fire following the impact, police said.
The University of Kentucky hospital is treating one survivor, who is in critical condition, spokesman Jay Blanton said. No other survivors have been brought to the hospital, he said.
Fayette County Coroner Gary Ginn said the passengers and crew appeared to still be on the plane and the deaths were caused either by the impact or the "hot fire" on board.
"We are going to say a mass prayer before we begin the work of removing the bodies," Ginn said, referring to the chaplains who serve the airport.
A temporary morgue is being set up at the scene and the bodies will be brought to the state medical examiner's office in Frankfort, Ginn said.
The crash marks the end of what has been called the "safest period in aviation history" in the United States. There has not been a major crash since Nov. 12, 2001, when American Airlines Flight 587 plunged into a residential neighborhood in Queens, N.Y., killing 265 people, including five on the ground.
On Jan. 8, 2003, an Air Midwest commuter plane crashed on takeoff at Charlotte/Douglas International Airport, killing all 21 aboard.
Last December, a seaplane operated by Chalk's Ocean Airways crashed off Miami Beach when its right wing separated from the fuselage shortly after takeoff, killing the 18 passengers and two crew members. That plane, a Grumman G-73 Turbo Mallard, was built in 1947 and modified significantly in 1979.
The NTSB's last record of a CRJ crash was on November 21, 2004, when a China Eastern-Yunnan Airlines Bombardier crashed shortly after takeoff. The 6 crew members and 47 passengers on the CRJ-200 were killed, and there were two fatalities on the ground.
Investigators will look at the airplane's trajectory, Waldock said. "Typically, if the airplane went almost straight down with a small impact area, that would argue loss of control," he said. "If it came in straight, and the fuselage were intact, something might have put the plane down." ------
Source (full story): http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/08/27/comair_flight_crashes_near_ky_airport/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News
It was SQ006; Singapore flight from Taiwan to LAX on 10/31.
It was a take off on the wrong runway and that runway was closed due to construction. And like you said there were definite weather issues.
And yes, many fatalities, but there were survivors. One jokes about having been injured in a construction accident. Figures she gets far less shocked responses with that than being a survivor of a plane crash.
7 years ago. February 1999
Airport official on MSNBC confirms only 1 survivor taken to hospital. He understands that all survivors have been recovered.
Pictures from MSNBC and coordinated with Google Earth indicate the plane did takeoff from runway 26, the incorrect runway.
Thanks for that info. Amazing how fast we get the news these days.
Seems like a case of "get-there-itis".
ie: rushing to takeoff and making a fatal mistake.
"But I've never heard of a plane taking off on the wrong runway."
As long as traffic is light there is not much to worry about. As long as there is not another aircraft landing at the same time. Small aircraft have/supposed to take off and land into the wind. Not so with larger aircraft due to their size and power. Just My Humble Opinion.
That would be really hard- it's an unlit runway and at 6am there wouldn't have been much light. I sincerely hope that the report I relayed was wrong and he did not take off on the wrong runway.
From the live video on www.lex18.com the plane did NOT cross Versailles road, but crashed on a farm at the southern end of the airport.
Sorry if this is a repost:
I stand corrected - after looking at further aerial views it does appear to be the wrong runway. And per MSNBC that runway is not lit (daytime use only), so this is kind of inexplicable.
We drive past that airport on the way to visit family each summer. Beautiful area...rolling hills, sprawling horse farms...very nice.
8/26 is only 3500 ft. That's actually not too much room for a fully-loaded CRJ. In fact, it's doubtful that a safe takeoff could be executed since the the MTOW runway length is 5800 ft for the CRJ-200. My question is why was takeoff not aborted once the pilots realized they were running out of room, instead of forcing the a/c into the sky before reaching Vr.
County coroner reporting that there was a "very hot fire" and he assumes most of the deaths were fire related.
I would move there in a hearbeat. Simply God's country!
I understand this flight was the first operation (departure)of the day a LEX. Possible FOD and/or bird ingestion.
Yeah, it crashed short of Versailles Road, directly in-line with the end of runway 26.
It looks more and more like a mistake.
I am wondering why there are not more survivors as the plane it reported to be intact. Doors should have been popped open, unless impact jammed all doors.
I'm from Philadelphia and if I moved anywhere into the south, it would be there.
I was there in that general area just yesterday. Yes, it's very beautiful.
With only 3500 feet, they may not have realized their mistake until it was way too late. Maybe they were right at takeoff speed and figured they could nurse it into the air, or they may not have even known until they saw the markings at the other end of the runway.
I'm wondering if the tower at LEX is even manned at 6:00 am local on a Sunday.
ComAir is holding the news briefing now.
Some moron reporter blabbing loudly IN SPANISH in the background of the news conference.
Cleveland here. My daughter did a chruch mission trip in a little town near Lexington. We picked her up and couldn't believe how beautiful the area is. Too bad we are not into horses!
Airport rep being interviewed on MSNBC stated that it was a twenty-four hour tower.
I doubt that they were very close to their calculated rotation speed. I'd hate to speculate since obviously I don't have any information on the weight and balance of the a/c.
Wromg runway used, described as follows. (Draw your own conclusions but, either a stall or clipping an obstruction may very well be determined!
KLEX (Lexington, KY):
Dimensions: 3500 x 75 ft. / 1067 x 23 m
Surface: asphalt/concrete, in poor condition
CONC IS SEVERELY CRACKED.
Weight bearing capacity: Single wheel: 12500 lbs
Runway edge lights: medium intensity
MIRL RY 08/26 OTS INDEFLY.
RUNWAY 8 RUNWAY 26
Latitude: 38-02.339143N 38-02.433593N
Longitude: 084-36.574985W 084-35.855642W
Elevation: 969.5 ft. 972.6 ft.
Gradient: 0.3 0.3
Traffic pattern: left left
Runway heading: 085 magnetic, 081 true 265 magnetic, 261 true
Markings: basic, in fair condition basic, in fair condition
Runway end identifier lights: yes
REIL OTS INDEFLY.
Touchdown point: yes, no lights yes, no lights
Obstructions: 25 ft. tree, 400 ft. from runway, 150 ft. right of centerline, 8:1 slope to clear 17 ft. pole, 552 ft. from runway, 39 ft. left of centerline, 20:1 slope to clear
From the MSNBC pictures, it does not appear that the jet skidded off the end of the runway. It looks like a field and barn are in the line with the runway.
Therefore, it seems like they got airborne and were unable to climb out, perhaps hitting trees or a hill.
Has anyone seen video of the actual crashed plane itself yet? Hard to believe the local television station doesn't have a helicopter overhead delivering live video of the wreckage.
Guess I'm too used to living in a major market.
Thanks. I'm going to be interested to see what comes out of that, someone in the tower might not have been paying attention.
I looked at the taxi chart for the airport and somebody unfamiliar with the place could quite possibly make this mistake if they weren't paying attention. The taxiway that leads from the terminal area northward toward runway 22 first crosses runway 26 at its takeoff end (as taxiway A) and then continues at a slight angle over to runway 22 (as taxiway A7).
The taxi chart is available at http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00697AD.PDF
No wreckage footage yet.
In the early 70s while stationed at Ft. Knox I was in charge of upgrading instrument tickets for everyone who had a tactical ticket in the Air Cav Sqdn. Lexington was still a non-radar environment and it made it a good circuit to fly to Lex, shoot a couple of approaches and have lunch. It was not uncommon to see thoroughbreds being on-loaded or off-loaded at the general aviation ramp. On the return trip we'd shoot a missed at Standiford and back to Godman. I just loved flying over the countryside around Kentucky. Too soon the fun was over and I had to go push troops at the training center.
Airspace around the crash site is off limits to news helicopters at this time.
Comair Flight 5191 crashes in Kentucky
The edge of 22/4 comes right up to, but does not actually cross, Versailles Road.
Unless it hits a wing, which is common. Actually lighting is highly unpredictable. I once went TDY to the Navy's lighting strike lab at PAX River NAS (Md). They had two sorts of "models". One was a full voltage, low current device used with sub-scale models of various aircraft. It was used to determine where lighting was likely to strike a particular aircraft type. They had a P-3 model on the test fixture when we were there. The other could generate a full current bolt, but only over a small distance It was used to test materials. They were blowing holes in a piece of wing panel. That second one sounded like a rifle shot, maybe like a .50 cal, going off inside of a hanger. The hanger was shielded because they also used it for electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) testing of aircraft up to an including the USAF B-52.
The news conference said that the airport was reopened to flight operations and the crash was a bit past the end of a shorter runway used by smaller general aviation planes, so perhaps the copters are prohibited from within the airspace around the crash site that would provide a clear shot. Though one would think they could go higher up to get a suitable angle, but I have no idea what the ceiling is for a news copter.