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Plane Crashes in Lexington
WTVQ 36 Lexington ^ | August 27, 2006 | Jon Sasser

Posted on 08/27/2006 4:38:10 AM PDT by BigBlueJon

Edited on 08/27/2006 5:02:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Possible plane crash in Lexington, KY. My brother works security for Lexington UK Hospital and was just called in. No news locally or on major news outlets yet. I didn't want to post anything for fear of being wrong, but he's still waiting for an official call while on stand-by.

Update from WTVQ 36 Lexington:

A plane has crashed near the Blue Grass Airport this morning. No word on details at this time. We are told it was a commercial aircraft. Versailles Road is blocked as emergency vehicles circle around the site. We have live coverage beginning at 7:20am. Stay with Action News 36 for more details.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: airplane; bluegrassairport; comair; crash; delta; dl5191; kentucky; lex; lexington; plane; planecrash; terribletragedy; wreck
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To: Erik Latranyi

The only built-in "gotcha" at Bluegrass is the intersection of 22/26... almost co-lcated -- dark early morning... gotta watch those signs and double check the DG when lined up!!


201 posted on 08/27/2006 6:58:54 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (All of the answers remain available; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

If they crashed at the fire training center then they didn't crash Versailles road. The center is on the same side as the airport.


202 posted on 08/27/2006 6:59:51 AM PDT by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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To: BigBlueJon

Airline press conference is about to begin. Airline hot line is 1-800-801-0088.


203 posted on 08/27/2006 7:01:05 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Wings-n-Wind

The Air France crash in Toronto (A340) was caused by a lightning strike on landing.

Modern aircraft have to reset if struck by lighting.


204 posted on 08/27/2006 7:01:15 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: dawn53
But I've never heard of a plane taking off on the wrong runway.

Approx. 5 years ago a far east airline (JAL,Air Singapore, etc., not sure) ... a 747 I believe, took off on the wrong runway on Taiwan. It was during a heavy, low visibility, rain ... the runway was under repair at the time, thus closed. The aircraft crashed with heavy fatalities.

205 posted on 08/27/2006 7:01:35 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: BigBlueJon

UPDATE:

This may already be known...

Last Updated 27/08/2006, 22:38

A passenger plane with around 50 people on board has crashed in the US state of Kentucky.

Local television says the accident occurred at Bluegrass Airport in Lexington.

It says emergency crews are on the scene trying to figure out what caused the incident.

The plane, belonged to Comair, a Delta-affiliated carrier.

Source: http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/news/stories/s1725315.htm


206 posted on 08/27/2006 7:02:03 AM PDT by jdm (I gotta give the Helen Thomas obsession a rest.)
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To: Kakaze

It would be surprising if they did take off from the wrong runway. Someone, whether in the tower or in the cockpit should've seen the error. 8/26 is only actually used during daylight and VFR conditions.

Considering where the wreckage is located though, it certainly sounds like the pilots took-off from 8/26. For the pilots to have taken off from the correct runway (4/22), it would've had to veer hard right shortly after takeoff to end up in that area.


207 posted on 08/27/2006 7:02:51 AM PDT by jcs1744
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To: battlegearboat

I heard the local reporter say "Ver-sails"


208 posted on 08/27/2006 7:04:28 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: jdm

Thanks for the update.


209 posted on 08/27/2006 7:04:58 AM PDT by BigBlueJon (Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas to bed.......Jack Bauer wears George W pajamas.)
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To: BigBlueJon

More...

This is excerpted per FR policy. Go to link at bottom for full story.

LEXINGTON, Ky. --A Comair flight carrying 50 people crashed a mile from Lexington's airport Sunday morning shortly after takeoff, the Federal Aviation Administration said. At least one person survived.
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Comair Flight 5191, a CRJ-200 regional jet with 47 passengers and three crew members, crashed at 6:07 a.m. after taking off for Atlanta, said Kathleen Bergen, an FAA spokeswoman.

There was no immediate word on what caused the crash in a field about a mile from Blue Grass Airport. Light rain was falling at the time. The plane was largely intact afterward, but there was a fire following the impact, police said.

The University of Kentucky hospital is treating one survivor, who is in critical condition, spokesman Jay Blanton said. No other survivors have been brought to the hospital, he said.

Fayette County Coroner Gary Ginn said the passengers and crew appeared to still be on the plane and the deaths were caused either by the impact or the "hot fire" on board.

"We are going to say a mass prayer before we begin the work of removing the bodies," Ginn said, referring to the chaplains who serve the airport.

A temporary morgue is being set up at the scene and the bodies will be brought to the state medical examiner's office in Frankfort, Ginn said.

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The crash marks the end of what has been called the "safest period in aviation history" in the United States. There has not been a major crash since Nov. 12, 2001, when American Airlines Flight 587 plunged into a residential neighborhood in Queens, N.Y., killing 265 people, including five on the ground.

On Jan. 8, 2003, an Air Midwest commuter plane crashed on takeoff at Charlotte/Douglas International Airport, killing all 21 aboard.

Last December, a seaplane operated by Chalk's Ocean Airways crashed off Miami Beach when its right wing separated from the fuselage shortly after takeoff, killing the 18 passengers and two crew members. That plane, a Grumman G-73 Turbo Mallard, was built in 1947 and modified significantly in 1979.

The NTSB's last record of a CRJ crash was on November 21, 2004, when a China Eastern-Yunnan Airlines Bombardier crashed shortly after takeoff. The 6 crew members and 47 passengers on the CRJ-200 were killed, and there were two fatalities on the ground.

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Investigators will look at the airplane's trajectory, Waldock said. "Typically, if the airplane went almost straight down with a small impact area, that would argue loss of control," he said. "If it came in straight, and the fuselage were intact, something might have put the plane down." ------

Source (full story): http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/08/27/comair_flight_crashes_near_ky_airport/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News


210 posted on 08/27/2006 7:05:21 AM PDT by jdm (I gotta give the Helen Thomas obsession a rest.)
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To: BluH2o

It was SQ006; Singapore flight from Taiwan to LAX on 10/31.

It was a take off on the wrong runway and that runway was closed due to construction. And like you said there were definite weather issues.

And yes, many fatalities, but there were survivors. One jokes about having been injured in a construction accident. Figures she gets far less shocked responses with that than being a survivor of a plane crash.


211 posted on 08/27/2006 7:06:05 AM PDT by mfccinsd
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To: BluH2o

7 years ago. February 1999


212 posted on 08/27/2006 7:07:48 AM PDT by twntaipan (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ride in Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: jdm

Airport official on MSNBC confirms only 1 survivor taken to hospital. He understands that all survivors have been recovered.


213 posted on 08/27/2006 7:07:51 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: jdm

Pictures from MSNBC and coordinated with Google Earth indicate the plane did takeoff from runway 26, the incorrect runway.


214 posted on 08/27/2006 7:09:09 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Pictures from MSNBC and coordinated with Google Earth indicate the plane did takeoff from runway 26, the incorrect runway.

Thanks for that info. Amazing how fast we get the news these days.

215 posted on 08/27/2006 7:11:11 AM PDT by jdm (I gotta give the Helen Thomas obsession a rest.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Seems like a case of "get-there-itis".

ie: rushing to takeoff and making a fatal mistake.


216 posted on 08/27/2006 7:11:14 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: dawn53

"But I've never heard of a plane taking off on the wrong runway."

As long as traffic is light there is not much to worry about. As long as there is not another aircraft landing at the same time. Small aircraft have/supposed to take off and land into the wind. Not so with larger aircraft due to their size and power. Just My Humble Opinion.


217 posted on 08/27/2006 7:11:22 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Erik Latranyi

That would be really hard- it's an unlit runway and at 6am there wouldn't have been much light. I sincerely hope that the report I relayed was wrong and he did not take off on the wrong runway.

From the live video on www.lex18.com the plane did NOT cross Versailles road, but crashed on a farm at the southern end of the airport.


218 posted on 08/27/2006 7:11:51 AM PDT by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Sorry if this is a repost:

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLEX


219 posted on 08/27/2006 7:12:00 AM PDT by maggief
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To: NittanyLion
Aerial photos on MSNBC would seem to support your statement. It certainly looks to me as though the crash site lies directly beyond the main runway.

I stand corrected - after looking at further aerial views it does appear to be the wrong runway. And per MSNBC that runway is not lit (daytime use only), so this is kind of inexplicable.

220 posted on 08/27/2006 7:12:34 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: BigBlueJon

We drive past that airport on the way to visit family each summer. Beautiful area...rolling hills, sprawling horse farms...very nice.


221 posted on 08/27/2006 7:13:09 AM PDT by letsgonova19087
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To: Wings-n-Wind

8/26 is only 3500 ft. That's actually not too much room for a fully-loaded CRJ. In fact, it's doubtful that a safe takeoff could be executed since the the MTOW runway length is 5800 ft for the CRJ-200. My question is why was takeoff not aborted once the pilots realized they were running out of room, instead of forcing the a/c into the sky before reaching Vr.


222 posted on 08/27/2006 7:13:12 AM PDT by jcs1744
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To: NittanyLion

County coroner reporting that there was a "very hot fire" and he assumes most of the deaths were fire related.

Dear God.


223 posted on 08/27/2006 7:14:14 AM PDT by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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To: letsgonova19087

I would move there in a hearbeat. Simply God's country!


224 posted on 08/27/2006 7:14:15 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: whitedog57
Agree, not a lightning strike. Guess: catastrophic engine failure. However, usually only one engine goes at a time, not two. Unless there was some other system failure.

I understand this flight was the first operation (departure)of the day a LEX. Possible FOD and/or bird ingestion.

225 posted on 08/27/2006 7:14:27 AM PDT by OBXWanderer
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To: brothers4thID

Yeah, it crashed short of Versailles Road, directly in-line with the end of runway 26.

It looks more and more like a mistake.

I am wondering why there are not more survivors as the plane it reported to be intact. Doors should have been popped open, unless impact jammed all doors.


226 posted on 08/27/2006 7:15:15 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: bonfire

I'm from Philadelphia and if I moved anywhere into the south, it would be there.


227 posted on 08/27/2006 7:15:58 AM PDT by letsgonova19087
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To: letsgonova19087

I was there in that general area just yesterday. Yes, it's very beautiful.


228 posted on 08/27/2006 7:15:59 AM PDT by BigBlueJon (Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas to bed.......Jack Bauer wears George W pajamas.)
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To: jcs1744

With only 3500 feet, they may not have realized their mistake until it was way too late. Maybe they were right at takeoff speed and figured they could nurse it into the air, or they may not have even known until they saw the markings at the other end of the runway.

I'm wondering if the tower at LEX is even manned at 6:00 am local on a Sunday.

}:-)4


229 posted on 08/27/2006 7:16:36 AM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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To: BigBlueJon

ComAir is holding the news briefing now.


230 posted on 08/27/2006 7:16:37 AM PDT by BigBlueJon (Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas to bed.......Jack Bauer wears George W pajamas.)
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Some moron reporter blabbing loudly IN SPANISH in the background of the news conference.


231 posted on 08/27/2006 7:17:47 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: letsgonova19087

Cleveland here. My daughter did a chruch mission trip in a little town near Lexington. We picked her up and couldn't believe how beautiful the area is. Too bad we are not into horses!


232 posted on 08/27/2006 7:18:52 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: mfccinsd
They gave the names of the crew. It is NOT my classmate. Whewwwwwww. Praise God.
233 posted on 08/27/2006 7:20:22 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Battle Axe

Great news.


234 posted on 08/27/2006 7:20:48 AM PDT by BigBlueJon (Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas to bed.......Jack Bauer wears George W pajamas.)
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To: Moose4

Airport rep being interviewed on MSNBC stated that it was a twenty-four hour tower.


235 posted on 08/27/2006 7:23:40 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: Moose4

I doubt that they were very close to their calculated rotation speed. I'd hate to speculate since obviously I don't have any information on the weight and balance of the a/c.


236 posted on 08/27/2006 7:24:23 AM PDT by jcs1744
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To: leadpenny
We live about 85 miles from Lexington. At about 6:30 this morning two ambulances from the station right up the street left. The ambulance station also houses the local coroner, who happens to be our family dentist. He is a certified forensic dentist and has been to NOLA and WTC to assist in the identifying of bodies. His car is now gone as well.
237 posted on 08/27/2006 7:24:37 AM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Moose4

Wromg runway used, described as follows. (Draw your own conclusions but, either a stall or clipping an obstruction may very well be determined!

KLEX (Lexington, KY):

Runway 8/26
Dimensions: 3500 x 75 ft. / 1067 x 23 m
Surface: asphalt/concrete, in poor condition
CONC IS SEVERELY CRACKED.
Weight bearing capacity: Single wheel: 12500 lbs

Runway edge lights: medium intensity
MIRL RY 08/26 OTS INDEFLY.
RUNWAY 8 RUNWAY 26
Latitude: 38-02.339143N 38-02.433593N
Longitude: 084-36.574985W 084-35.855642W
Elevation: 969.5 ft. 972.6 ft.
Gradient: 0.3 0.3
Traffic pattern: left left
Runway heading: 085 magnetic, 081 true 265 magnetic, 261 true
Markings: basic, in fair condition basic, in fair condition
Runway end identifier lights: yes
REIL OTS INDEFLY.
Touchdown point: yes, no lights yes, no lights
Obstructions: 25 ft. tree, 400 ft. from runway, 150 ft. right of centerline, 8:1 slope to clear 17 ft. pole, 552 ft. from runway, 39 ft. left of centerline, 20:1 slope to clear


238 posted on 08/27/2006 7:25:30 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: BigBlueJon

From the MSNBC pictures, it does not appear that the jet skidded off the end of the runway. It looks like a field and barn are in the line with the runway.

Therefore, it seems like they got airborne and were unable to climb out, perhaps hitting trees or a hill.


239 posted on 08/27/2006 7:26:08 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Has anyone seen video of the actual crashed plane itself yet? Hard to believe the local television station doesn't have a helicopter overhead delivering live video of the wreckage.

Guess I'm too used to living in a major market.


240 posted on 08/27/2006 7:31:39 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Thanks. I'm going to be interested to see what comes out of that, someone in the tower might not have been paying attention.

I looked at the taxi chart for the airport and somebody unfamiliar with the place could quite possibly make this mistake if they weren't paying attention. The taxiway that leads from the terminal area northward toward runway 22 first crosses runway 26 at its takeoff end (as taxiway A) and then continues at a slight angle over to runway 22 (as taxiway A7).

The taxi chart is available at http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00697AD.PDF

}:-)4


241 posted on 08/27/2006 7:33:10 AM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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To: BenLurkin

No wreckage footage yet.


242 posted on 08/27/2006 7:33:32 AM PDT by BigBlueJon (Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas to bed.......Jack Bauer wears George W pajamas.)
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To: SLB

In the early 70s while stationed at Ft. Knox I was in charge of upgrading instrument tickets for everyone who had a tactical ticket in the Air Cav Sqdn. Lexington was still a non-radar environment and it made it a good circuit to fly to Lex, shoot a couple of approaches and have lunch. It was not uncommon to see thoroughbreds being on-loaded or off-loaded at the general aviation ramp. On the return trip we'd shoot a missed at Standiford and back to Godman. I just loved flying over the countryside around Kentucky. Too soon the fun was over and I had to go push troops at the training center.


243 posted on 08/27/2006 7:34:23 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: BenLurkin
MSNBC is re-broadcasting video from their local affiliate, which pans along the short runway to the hillside where the fire training center is, then to the trees beyond.
244 posted on 08/27/2006 7:34:39 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: BigBlueJon; BenLurkin
No wreckage footage yet.

Airspace around the crash site is off limits to news helicopters at this time.

245 posted on 08/27/2006 7:35:25 AM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: BigBlueJon

Comair Flight 5191 crashes in Kentucky

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BF80F21FE%2D3EB3%2D412E%2DAF4D%2DF0B59A03AC46%7D&dist=newsfinder&siteid=google


246 posted on 08/27/2006 7:36:06 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Erik Latranyi
"Runway 22/4 does cross Versailles Road and it is the longer, primary runway."

The edge of 22/4 comes right up to, but does not actually cross, Versailles Road.

247 posted on 08/27/2006 7:36:40 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: Battle Axe
That is why they tell you to stay in your seat. They know it goes down the middle of the airplane.

Unless it hits a wing, which is common. Actually lighting is highly unpredictable. I once went TDY to the Navy's lighting strike lab at PAX River NAS (Md). They had two sorts of "models". One was a full voltage, low current device used with sub-scale models of various aircraft. It was used to determine where lighting was likely to strike a particular aircraft type. They had a P-3 model on the test fixture when we were there. The other could generate a full current bolt, but only over a small distance It was used to test materials. They were blowing holes in a piece of wing panel. That second one sounded like a rifle shot, maybe like a .50 cal, going off inside of a hanger. The hanger was shielded because they also used it for electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) testing of aircraft up to an including the USAF B-52.

248 posted on 08/27/2006 7:36:48 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: BenLurkin

The news conference said that the airport was reopened to flight operations and the crash was a bit past the end of a shorter runway used by smaller general aviation planes, so perhaps the copters are prohibited from within the airspace around the crash site that would provide a clear shot. Though one would think they could go higher up to get a suitable angle, but I have no idea what the ceiling is for a news copter.


249 posted on 08/27/2006 7:37:33 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: BigBlueJon

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250 posted on 08/27/2006 7:38:24 AM PDT by 1035rep
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