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Online poker players face new Prohibition
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | August 27, 2006 | Justin Berton

Posted on 08/28/2006 7:05:34 AM PDT by baystaterebel

Inside the quiet San Francisco headquarters of the Poker Players Alliance, a political group that boasts 100,000 members, a laminated poster hangs above the desk of executive director Michael Bolcerek that reads, "The Threat is Real."

In this case, the immediate threat to Bolcerek and his poker-playing army is the growing anti-gambling forces that argue the game is bad for American family values and want to remove it from the Internet. Despite online poker's rabid popularity -- the game now draws an estimated 23 million Americans to their keyboards every day -- it has recently suffered some big-time legislative hits.

In June, citing concerns about underage gambling and illegal wagers, the Washington state Legislature banned online gambling, including poker, making it the first state to effectively shut down virtual card rooms. And in July, the House of Representatives passed the Federal Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act, which would prevent banks and credit card companies from processing payments to Internet gambling sites. Next month, the bill is scheduled for a vote in the Senate, where it's already earned support from online gambling foes, including California Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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Republicans shooting themselves in the foot once again. Dianne Feinstein is on your side, what more do you need to know?
1 posted on 08/28/2006 7:05:35 AM PDT by baystaterebel
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To: baystaterebel
"You give me a kid and a credit card, and he can be gambling online in less than a minute,"

Where are all the kids with credit cards?
What kid under the age of 18 has a credit card?

3 posted on 08/28/2006 7:12:47 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: baystaterebel
If there were more taxes on this type of gambling, I'm sure that congress would be promoting it.
4 posted on 08/28/2006 7:13:24 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a mac)
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To: Just another Joe
What kid under the age of 18 has a credit card?

You don't much see them around because they're always busy buying wine and cigarettes over the internet. Doesn't leave much time for socializing . . .

5 posted on 08/28/2006 7:15:00 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Andy from Beaverton
If there were more taxes on this type of gambling, I'm sure that congress would be promoting it.

BINGO!!! Cut Government in for a slice of the pie and they'll do ANYTHING including eating the whole pie. Poker is dangerous but scatch tickets, Keeno, and the Stock Market are good for the economy? Right.

6 posted on 08/28/2006 7:16:53 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: baystaterebel

Looks like they're about to turn the Internet into the Hindernet.


7 posted on 08/28/2006 7:17:04 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: baystaterebel
One more step in the inevitable march toward totalitarianism.

It used to be that Republicans were thought to be the defenders of freedom, not the tools by which it is usurped.

8 posted on 08/28/2006 7:20:59 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: baystaterebel
This is called a shakedown. Nothing more, nothing less.

I have a sneaky feeling that if the federal gov't was getting its piece of the pie, online gambling all of a sudden, wouldn't be such a danger to our communities.

State lotteries, no problem. State scratch-off tickets, no problem. Dog & horse tracks, no problem. Brick & mortar casinos, from here to Sunday, no problem.

Online gambling, well, it's a "scourge" to our society.
9 posted on 08/28/2006 7:21:44 AM PDT by adm5
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To: rhombus

I'm sure they would legalize all drugs if the cut could be high enough and help pay for more teachers for our poor little children.


10 posted on 08/28/2006 7:22:05 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a mac)
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To: baystaterebel

Land of the (used to be) Free News


11 posted on 08/28/2006 7:22:43 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: baystaterebel

This simply drives the gaming companies overseas, where U.S. authorities cannot tax them.


12 posted on 08/28/2006 7:23:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: CSM; jmc813; Phantom Lord; doubled; Graycliff; Tallguy; Lexington Green; ThinkDifferent; ...

Poker Ping!

Freepmail me if you want on the Poker Ping List.

13 posted on 08/28/2006 7:24:50 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: baystaterebel

So F'einstein...I take it that the internet is only in the U.S.


14 posted on 08/28/2006 7:25:00 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: frogjerk

I played last night for the first time in 3 or 4 months. A simple sit-n-go, $3.40 entry fee.

Every stinking hand was a Q-4, Q-3, or Q-2 off-suit. Boooooooo! Congress should ban that, not online gaming.


15 posted on 08/28/2006 7:33:16 AM PDT by RabidBartender (an ex-fan of the Dixie Chicks)
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To: rhombus

"the Stock Market [is] good for the economy?"

Well, yes, as a matter of fact, it's quite necessary.


16 posted on 08/28/2006 7:35:24 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: baystaterebel

"You give me a kid and a credit card, and he can be gambling online in less than a minute"

Give me a kid and a gun, and he can be shooting old ladies in the street in less than a minute, so we must ban guns, etc, etc...


17 posted on 08/28/2006 7:37:08 AM PDT by Canard
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To: gcruse

My point of course is that for many the stock market is no less gambling than playing bingo or betting at the track.


18 posted on 08/28/2006 7:37:33 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Just another Joe

Actually, both my kids have credit cards (15 & 14). But having said that I have already sent letters to my two senators expressing my disagreement with the proposed laws against online poker.

I play online all the time.


19 posted on 08/28/2006 7:38:50 AM PDT by djl_sa
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To: djl_sa
Actually, both my kids have credit cards (15 & 14)

Are they your credit cards with your children's names on them? Or are they your children's credit cards?

Seems like it would have to be the first as they are not yet old enough to legally sign a contract.

And just as an aside, it's my belief that 14 or 15 is too young to handle a credit card, especially depending on what the credit limit is.
Your two may be mature enough to be the exceptions to the rule but taken as a whole that age group isn't ready for credit cards, bank loans, or used car buying.

20 posted on 08/28/2006 7:44:53 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: rhombus

Proposed new Emblem of the United States Congress
21 posted on 08/28/2006 8:21:44 AM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Spent my $50 over the weekend.

Mr. elc got his new Wachovia credit card last week and included with all the paper they give you was a statement that said using that credit card for on-line gambling was illegal. Bastages.


22 posted on 08/28/2006 8:33:48 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: Just another Joe
..."You give me a kid and a credit card, and he can be gambling online in less than a minute,"...

You give me a kid with a BB brain and he could become a congressman.

23 posted on 08/28/2006 8:43:40 AM PDT by FReepaholic (This tagline could indicate global warming.)
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To: baystaterebel

I don't really care one way or the other if people gamble on the internet or elsewhere, but it occurs to me that twenty-three million people would amount to roughly 8% of the population. It seems rather unlikely that 8% of Americans play poker online every day.


24 posted on 08/28/2006 8:44:35 AM PDT by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

What's easier, taking that trip to Vegas or playing online a little? This law is being promoted by the casinos who fear online play reduces their profits.

The sold it as family values issue to some Republicans but it's really casino revenues that is driving it.

It's a losing issue for Republicans and they should drop it.


25 posted on 08/28/2006 10:58:34 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: 1rudeboy

This simply drives the gaming companies overseas, where U.S. authorities cannot tax them.

They are already overseas. That's the rub. Billions of dollars are going off shore. There's a lot of economic activity going on that the feds can't monitor.

Basically the deal is that the feds passed legislating gaming to the states. The ability to play in a "foreign country" is beyond the ability of the states to regulate or tax. That's where the federal government comes in.

There are also a lot of gambling interests in the United States who don't want the competition. I'd be perfectly willing to play at U.S. sites if there were any.

They are going to make it difficult, if not impossible, to easily transfer money to these companies. I think methods will be developed to allow it.

I don't know why I just couldn't mail them a check if need be. I don't think my bank could refuse to honor it. Or open an account in a U.S. branch of the Bank of Ireland or whatever and do a direct transfer. Gotta be a way to do it.





26 posted on 08/28/2006 11:55:11 AM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: Belasarius

"I don't know why I just couldn't mail them a check if need be. I don't think my bank could refuse to honor it. Or open an account in a U.S. branch of the Bank of Ireland or whatever and do a direct transfer. Gotta be a way to do it."

Easiest way to do it is to open an account with Neteller (basically an offshore bank account - all the legitimate gaming sites accept it). I've been playing online for years and have never had a problem with them. pm me if you need more info.


27 posted on 08/29/2006 11:25:36 AM PDT by SteveBosell
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To: SteveBosell

Yeah, I'm already using neteller. I don't see how they can interfere with that. Is this another "get excited" moment where they don't actually have the technical means to disrupt the ability of Americans to play off-shore poker?


28 posted on 08/30/2006 1:48:05 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: Just another Joe

These cards have their names on them. Also, they have TX state issued picture IDs so they can use the cards (they are actually debit cards).

I know my oldest uses his card every so often so I'm not sure about being old enough to sign a contract....


29 posted on 09/19/2006 2:06:58 PM PDT by djl_sa
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