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Little Stock in Stock Car Racing(For all you "Left-turners" LOL)
The Washington Times ^ | August 30, 2006 | Dave Fay

Posted on 08/30/2006 8:12:57 AM PDT by kellynla

HUNTERSVILLE, N.C. -- There is a story NASCAR insiders swear is true and claim is not an isolated case.

A few years back at a Ford dealership outside Harrisonburg, Va., two men in their late 20s walked in on a Monday morning and started asking about a certain model of Taurus. They were neatly dressed, appeared to be sober, sane and serious. And soon, their focus became clear: They found stock car racing exciting and thought they would buy a car to join the fun.

If only it were that easy.

Veteran driver Mark Martin once described the difference between a showroom vehicle and a stock-car racer as being like the difference between miniature golf and the PGA Tour.

The word "stock" in the title of the sanctioning body, the National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing, had some meaning when coupes raced around the sand and road course in Daytona Beach in the late 1940s. But today, that meaning has all but disappeared.

"There are still a few pieces that are stock," said Jimmy Makar, senior vice president of Joe Gibbs Racing, a mechanical engineering graduate of Maryland and longtime crew chief on NASCAR's top circuit.

"Chassis? No, nothing stock. Engine? We still use a stock block from the manufacturer, but after that, it's all after market," Mr. Makar said, using a term that in NASCAR garages means buying very expensive custom-made parts.

"Anything stock?" asked Brett Bodine, former NASCAR driver and car owner who now helps oversee the organization's Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C. "The hood, the roof, the rear deck lid. That's about all I can think of. Speed and safety; racing had to move on."

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KEYWORDS: nascar; racing; stockcars
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1 posted on 08/30/2006 8:12:59 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: NormsRevenge

ping


2 posted on 08/30/2006 8:13:47 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I might actually watch the sport if they went back to racing real stock cars. Now THAT would be exciting.


3 posted on 08/30/2006 8:18:26 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: kellynla
Speed and safety; racing had to move on

I don't know about that. Sure, back in the 60s and 70s, engines were easily developing more power than the body, chassis, and safety systems could handle.

However, if today they had to run stock bodies and stock engines, I'm not sure it would be as big of a problem.
4 posted on 08/30/2006 8:19:58 AM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: kellynla

I was always opposed to going to a single body in NASCAR but at this point they may as well. It's the only way to get rid of the inequalities of spoiler heights, roof heights, and ground clearances.


5 posted on 08/30/2006 8:22:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: kellynla

The thing that gets to me the most is that all cars raced in NASCAR are rear wheel drive. The Taurus dosnt make a car that is rear wheel drive . Neither is Chevy's Monte Carlo. The word "Stock" is a joke.

Nascar doesnt allow one manufacturer to become faster than the rest of the cars. If they do they make new rules that bring their speed back down. They strive to make all the cars the same speed. IMO they should take the manufacturers name off all the cars and like The Indianapolis 500 raced all cars this year with Honda engines just make a NASCAR car, and be done with all this farce of manufacturers making the cars.

The next thing that gets me is the teams. The hell with teams. No owner should have more than one car on the track. Make them race each other not a team.


6 posted on 08/30/2006 8:24:33 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: mysterio

"I might actually watch the sport if they went back to racing real stock cars."
I agree.

I actually enjoy F1 and motorcycle racing. Now that's racing! LOL
Ya gotta get up early on Saturday mornings to watch F1
or record it.


7 posted on 08/30/2006 8:25:31 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I'll bet 90% of the people in the country are within a 2 hour drive of a short track where they still race "stock" cars. I'm in Yankeeland, New England, and there are 3 within an hour of me.

Of course, the truly stock cars are boring, I like the modifieds.


8 posted on 08/30/2006 8:27:54 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: kellynla

Yeah, in LA, you have toget up REALLY early for F1!

F1 has so little passing, it gets kind of boring to watch, but the cars are way cool. I wish they would stop with all the limitations and grooved tire crap. Going back to having pit stops is cool though.


9 posted on 08/30/2006 8:29:38 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: sgtbono2002
The next thing that gets me is the teams. The hell with teams. No owner should have more than one car on the track. Make them race each other not a team.

That might actually be happening now that the sponsors are beginning to follow the drivers as opposed to the Team Owners.

10 posted on 08/30/2006 8:30:04 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: mysterio

hit any small track in your area, most of them still run a "stock" class.
some stuff has to be done for safety like adding roll cages and fuel cells and removing glass, and you can do some lighter mods on your engine, but they mostly don't do alot.
here in MI we have two classes of street stocks; regular, and 4cyl engines.


11 posted on 08/30/2006 8:31:14 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Toby06

I'm within earshot of Michigan International Speedway but I still like going to a Saturday night race on dirt.

I love watching the sprint cars come out of the turns with their real tires smokin and the front wheels dangling.


12 posted on 08/30/2006 8:31:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: mysterio
Why would I pay to see that?

I drive through that every day down I-459 myself.

13 posted on 08/30/2006 8:32:09 AM PDT by Condor 63
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To: NormsRevenge; glock rocks; WestCoastGal; tubebender; don-o

Left Turn ping


14 posted on 08/30/2006 8:33:15 AM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: absolootezer0

NASCAR is restricting new owners to 3 teams. Existing multi team owners are grandfathered but when they're gone they're gone.


15 posted on 08/30/2006 8:33:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: cripplecreek
Is IROC still around? I remember some races many years ago where they had a small number (8-12?) drivers all with Camaros.
16 posted on 08/30/2006 8:33:48 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (UN Security Council resolution 1701: I believe it is ceasefire for our time.)
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To: kellynla

[I actually enjoy F1 and motorcycle racing. Now that's racing! LOL
Ya gotta get up early on Saturday mornings to watch F1
or record it.]

Joke I presume.

F1 is as good as fixed as the big money wins. What happened to F1 is what Tony George was aiming to prevent when he reformulated the IRL. People were getting tired of the Pensky monopoly. It sounds like their might be a reunion of cart and IRL comming soon.


17 posted on 08/30/2006 8:35:21 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (War Monger...In the name of liberty, let's go to war!!!!)
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To: cripplecreek; Pete'sWife

Do you get the USAC sprints or the winged World of Outlaws tour?

Dirt track racing is absolutely better than asphalt tracks.

My local (2+ hours away) dirt track ran a special show last Saturday night, and let the modifieds and late models run any engine they wanted and any body configuration, including wings and sideboards. Some guys were running alcohol injected engines, monster wings, all kinds of cool stuff.


18 posted on 08/30/2006 8:36:01 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: Toby06

Lime Rock is a little drive from me, but I enjoy going there every so often to catch some of the "minor league" races.


19 posted on 08/30/2006 8:37:14 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets fan.)
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To: Toby06

They call that run what ya brung. Where I watch the dirt racers it's usually world of outlaws but there are several tracks inside of an hour from me.


20 posted on 08/30/2006 8:38:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: KarlInOhio
Yeah they're still running the IROC series.

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21 posted on 08/30/2006 8:40:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: CT-Freeper

Lime rock is cool for road track stuff. You are not too far from the old Danbury Fair Racearena, and Stafford. Middletown, NY runs dirt cars n Saturday nights, and Lebanon Valley is probably less than 1 1/2 hours from you with the best all around racing program in short track dirt I have ever been to, and that is hundreds of tracks across the country.


22 posted on 08/30/2006 8:41:29 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: cripplecreek
There is ZERO stock stuff in a sprint car. Screw the purists.


23 posted on 08/30/2006 8:44:23 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: KarlInOhio

Yes, IROC is still out there. The next race is October 28th in Atlanta on Speed TV. IROC has always been exciting IMO.


24 posted on 08/30/2006 8:45:01 AM PDT by toddst
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To: kellynla

I don't get it. I will never get it. Guys get into cars and go in an oval for a couple hours. That's a sport? I would call it a pasttime. Now Lets say they raced with the same cars on open public freeways with cops and all, with innocent lives at stake... well that might be appealing


25 posted on 08/30/2006 8:51:48 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: toddst

One of the best IROC finishes was at Michigan between Earnhardt sr and Earnhardt jr. It was one of the closest IROC finishes ever. They crossed the finish line leaning on each other.


26 posted on 08/30/2006 8:52:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: kellynla
There is nothing "stock" about NASCAR and hasn't been for decades.

Want to watch "stock" racing?? Watch Speed World Challenge. Speed World Challenge Its on the Speed Channel.
27 posted on 08/30/2006 8:55:19 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: cripplecreek; billbears

Dirt track bump!


28 posted on 08/30/2006 8:56:35 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: kb2614

The best racing I have seen recently has been the Australian V8 super cars.


29 posted on 08/30/2006 9:02:48 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Toby06
The local drag strip is also a good place to go to see what the one guy working at night out of his garage can do with a stock vehicle. Drag racing accommodates all ranges of budgets better than any form of racing. The more you spend, the faster you go. They have head to head elimination series and bracket series racing where you essentially race yourself.


If you have young wanna be racers, drag racing is also relatively safe in the sportsman and bracket classes compared to oval or road racing. I let my son race in the sportsman class and wouldn't consider letting him on the local dirt track in a stock car.
30 posted on 08/30/2006 9:18:16 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: kellynla

Racing was in muh family's blood and so were Saturday night races at the local half mile track. I never got into the racing myself, still have a nephew super stocking it at the same old track in Minnesota, all my brothers had a moment or two or doing real good, but it ain't a cheap hobby..

I wish I had a few of my brothers old cars,, watching the Barrett Auto auctions on cable almost makes me weep when I see what some old cars go for...

I never raced, myself.. I was the Marine of the group.. they were all army or farmers and truckers.. ;-)


31 posted on 08/30/2006 9:37:08 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: Toby06

even the bolts on those sprinters are hollowed out titanium

:-)


32 posted on 08/30/2006 9:40:00 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: kellynla

It's always nice to meet a fellow F1-er. I really enjoyed last weekend's Turkey event. That track is now among my favorites, along with Spa.


33 posted on 08/30/2006 9:41:25 AM PDT by GreenAccord (I just spell-checked MOONBAT. Shouldn't that be in the FR lexicon as a valid word?)
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To: NormsRevenge

there's serious money in Nascar these days
the top guy at Cosworth went to work for Richard Childress
another guy from DEI was being recruited by Toyota Formula 1


34 posted on 08/30/2006 9:42:13 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: IamConservative

Drags bore me, but I am never going to knock it for those who like it.

If my kids go racing, i am buying a purpose built chassis, built to spec. Last weekend, there were 3 nasty rollovers. the two purpose built guys were fine after wrecking at over 100 mph. The guy in the street car was fine, too, but then again I have never seen such a slow rollover.


35 posted on 08/30/2006 9:45:44 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: Toby06

That's my company ("Delco Remy', now just "Remy Inc.", on the front of the car!

The last car I saw with that badge it was on the car owned by a fellow DR employee.


36 posted on 08/30/2006 9:46:21 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: NormsRevenge

Thank you for your service.


37 posted on 08/30/2006 9:47:06 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: NormsRevenge

I figured you would appreciate the article.


38 posted on 08/30/2006 9:47:07 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Cool! It's a small world, but I'd hate to have to mow it all.


39 posted on 08/30/2006 9:48:19 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: ltc8k6
My favorite racing was about 10-15 years ago at Dixie Speedway, at Woodstock, Georgia. At the end of the night they would have spectator racing. Junior would take mom's station Wagon on a one lap race against some other wannabe teenage driver in another family car. Sometimes they would wreck and start crying right there on the track as they new they were going to get theirs butts kicked when the parents found out. It was laugh a minute racing, they would sit there doing burnouts at the start line until the green flag dropped. It was most certainly the best racing of the night.

I guess because of lawsuits or something, they no longer allow some pimple faced kid to race the poor family's only car. Now of days they are using old beaters and the excitement is just not the same. People would even race rental cars during the spectator racing periods, it was so fun when they rolled them and then towed them off some where in the sticks and called them in as stolen. LOL.

Racing just isn't racing anymore, especially with stupid spectator wannabee's driving like fools.
40 posted on 08/30/2006 9:50:20 AM PDT by herkbird (Semper Fi)
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To: GreenAccord

yep, I reeeeeely enjoy the camera shots from the cars.
Nice to see Massa win.


41 posted on 08/30/2006 9:51:59 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I've tried to float the idea for years that these guys should weld roll cages and put driver's seats inside actual Monte Carlos, Fusions, and Chargers that roll off the assembly lines, and race them every year at the annual All-Star race.

Put racing tires on them, take off the side mirrors, headlights, tail lights, weld the doors shut, etc. whatever you've got to do to make them safe to race.

But use the same V8 engine, body, etc. as the cars we drive on the street. One race a year.


42 posted on 08/30/2006 9:55:53 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: kellynla
Not that I would pay it, but isn't there pay-per-view channels of F1 with in-car shots for the entire race?

Massa has been an incredible surprise this year, a nearly perfect team mate (hear that Fiscicella?). What do you think might have happened if the safety car had never come out and Michael and Massa led to the end? Do you think it would have been another Austrian GP deal with Schumacher passing Massa late in the race via team orders?
43 posted on 08/30/2006 9:56:54 AM PDT by GreenAccord (I just spell-checked MOONBAT. Shouldn't that be in the FR lexicon as a valid word?)
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To: kellynla

MotoGP is tops.
AMA drag racing can be interesting.
F1 for road racing.
Most everything else at the "pro" level is boring.


44 posted on 08/30/2006 9:57:13 AM PDT by jrp
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To: BaBaStooey

I have another idea for NASCAR, but it would never fly.

The Pennsylvania 500.

NASCAR racing cars travel from one end of Pennsylvania to the other while driving on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Start at the Ohio border, first one to New Jersey wins. The crazy corners and lower-than-interstate-standard sections would be fun to watch, as well as the 2-3 mountain tunnels. Heck, any sort of NASCAR road race on an actual road rather than a road course would be awesome.


45 posted on 08/30/2006 10:01:51 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: GreenAccord
"Not that I would pay it, but isn't there pay-per-view channels of F1 with in-car shots for the entire race?"

The Speed Channel carries F1 racing live both Friday qualifying & the Saturday race & rebroadcasts the races on Saturdays.
46 posted on 08/30/2006 10:06:35 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: cripplecreek; NormsRevenge; WestCoastGal
I was always opposed to going to a single body in NASCAR but at this point they may as well.

They aready are...NASCAR is developing what they call the Car of Tomorrow, which is a single body for all teams. I'm not sure even the engines will be Dodge, Toyota, Chevy, or Ford in the COT. Maybe Norm and WCG, or others thay may ping, could tell us.

47 posted on 08/30/2006 10:13:00 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Suffer the little children to come unto Me...for of such is the kingdom of God. [Mark 10:13-14])
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To: Wolfstar

At this point a few teams are producing engines for many of the other teams. Chances are any car on the track will have a Roush, Childress, Yates, or Hendrick engine.


48 posted on 08/30/2006 10:18:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Walkingfeather

"Now Lets say they raced with the same cars on open public freeways with cops and all, with innocent lives at stake... well that might be appealing"

It's kept real secret but occasionally they have a race from Reno-Las Vegas that is balls out winner take all with a $100k entry fee.

At least they used to.


49 posted on 08/30/2006 10:24:06 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: cripplecreek; Wolfstar
Lots of info at links below..

Car of Tomorrow

Car of Tomorrow to make race debut in 2007

50 posted on 08/30/2006 10:24:56 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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