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City where sacrificial slaughter was way of life
UK Telegraph ^ | 9/2/06 | Aidan Laverty and Roger Highfield

Posted on 09/02/2006 1:28:10 PM PDT by wagglebee

As they waited to be sacrificed outside a temple, the victims made no attempt to escape their fate: their throats were cut, they were decapitated and their hearts ripped out.

Their hands were not tied and they offered no resistance to the sacrificial knife. A seed containing a potent drug was used to paralyse their bodies, leaving the victims aware of a terrifying ritual that has been revealed for the first time by a dig in the vast pre-Colombian city of Túcume in northern Peru.

Archaeologists working in the ruined city of giant pyramids have discovered one of the largest sites of human sacrifice in South America.

So far, the team has uncovered the remains of 119 men, women and children as young as five who were hacked to death outside a temple.

Archaeologists believe that the sacrifices reached a bloody crescendo in the final days of the city, as its rulers struggled to stave off catastrophe at the hands of the Spanish conquistadors, who arrived in the area in the 1530s. The pyramid city has been abandoned ever since.

"The discovery of these human sacrifices outside the temple is one of the most important in the history of Peruvian archaeology," said Alfredo Narvaez, the chief archaeologist at the site.

Until recently there has been little archaeological evidence of human sacrifice from the ancient Andes. Historians have had to rely on accounts written by Spanish invaders and grisly depictions on pottery and art.

In the mid 1990s the bodies of individual children sacrificed by the Incas high in the Andes were uncovered, as were the bodies of around 110 men of fighting age, probably captured warriors, sacrificed by the Moche civilisation.

But the picture now emerging from Túcume is one of sacrifice as a way of life which could be carried out on young and old, men and women.

The slaughter was uncovered last summer when Bernarda Delgado, from the Museum of Túcume, and anthropologist J Marla Toyne, from the University of Tulane, led excavations in the blistering heat alongside the longest pyramid in the world, Huaca Larga, a colossal structure of mud bricks half a mile long.

Their investigation features in a BBC series, Lost Cities of the Ancients, to be shown next week. They opened up a 33ft area around a temple that was built around 1,000 years ago, when Túcume became an important ritual centre for the Lambeyeque civilisation. They were confronted by 73 shallow burial pits.

"Of the 119 individuals we recovered from this small area 90 per cent of them show cut marks in the neck and throat — suggesting it was almost a systematic execution," said Toyne.

Knife marks show that the human victims had their throats cut, and were decapitated between the second and third neck vertebra. Finally the sacrificial knife was used to saw open their chests to remove the hearts.

Toyne, sponsored by the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada, found no evidence that the victims had been tied up or that they had fought to avoid this brutal death, and the clean cut marks showed no evidence of individuals moving to avoid the knife.

Narvaez believes the likely explanation is that the victims were drugged before being killed. He found amala seeds at the temple, which contain a chemical that leaves the victim lucid but paralysed and powerless to resist.

The first sacrifices outside the temple were animals — lamas and alpacas. Around 60 have been recovered. Later humans were ritually executed and buried in pits – in marked contrast to other discoveries of sacrifice where bodies were often left in the open for vultures to pick on.

But of the greater significance is the temple where they were sacrificed, which has yielded a treasure trove including hundreds of silver miniatures. "It is the first time in Peruvian archaeology that we have found a temple with this extraordinary context that hasn't been looted," said Narvaez.

The finds give an important new insight into the rituals by which the people of ancient Peru believed they could connect with the vengeful gods who controlled their destinies. Sometimes offering silver or lamas was enough. At others, only a human would suffice.

Narvaez's theory is that the increase in human sacrifice was linked to the greatest upheaval ever to hit South America, the arrival of the Spanish conquistadors. That set off chaos and fear in Túcume, leading to a bloody crescendo as more and more blood was offered to the gods.

The sacrifices failed to stop the Spanish advance. The city of Túcume was burnt by its inhabitants and then abandoned. They never returned.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andes; archaeology; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; humansacrifice; incas; moche; peru; southamerica; tcume; tucume
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Until recently there has been little archaeological evidence of human sacrifice from the ancient Andes. Historians have had to rely on accounts written by Spanish invaders and grisly depictions on pottery and art.

I'm sure it irritates the left to no end to admit that the "indigenous" people were not exactly peace loving.

1 posted on 09/02/2006 1:28:12 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping


2 posted on 09/02/2006 1:28:25 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

So the Spanish came and "imposed their culture" on these human-sacrifing, torturing peoples. Kind of like we are doing in the middle east?


3 posted on 09/02/2006 1:31:44 PM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: wagglebee

Come on. We can't be judgmental. Maybe the Muslims were inspired by such child sacrifice.


4 posted on 09/02/2006 1:32:32 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: wagglebee
Yeah, weren't the Christian Europeans the only murderers of these nature-loving peaceful natives?
5 posted on 09/02/2006 1:32:35 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: NewCenturions

oops,,,sacrifing=sacrificing. Should have just said "uncivilized"!


6 posted on 09/02/2006 1:32:56 PM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions

That just about sums it up.


7 posted on 09/02/2006 1:32:58 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: doug from upland
Come on. We can't be judgmental. Maybe the Muslims were inspired by such child sacrifice.

But who taught the Muslims to be pedophiles.

8 posted on 09/02/2006 1:35:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
The Sapa Inca never attempted to hide it from what I've read. They were warriors. They lost.
9 posted on 09/02/2006 1:35:41 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: wagglebee

Kinda like LOREDO...?


10 posted on 09/02/2006 1:36:05 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: doug from upland; mikrofon; martin_fierro

Celebrate diversity.


11 posted on 09/02/2006 1:38:14 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Inca-dinca-do.)
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To: wagglebee
Narvaez's theory is that the increase in human sacrifice was linked to the greatest upheaval ever to hit South America, the arrival of the Spanish conquistadors.

Yes, the arrival of evil Western civilization's influences caused all this - and by extention, it's all President Bush's fault!

12 posted on 09/02/2006 1:43:46 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: wagglebee

I had an interesting feeling when watching the PBS series "Conquistadores"
with host Michael Wood.
Wood described how Cortes and some of his officers were taken to the
killing room at the top of one of the temples.
Montezuma tried to give Cortez and his buddies a lesson in Aztec theology,
explaining how well ripping the hearts from their victims made the Sun happy
and kept the world going round.
The speech was obviously intended to sell Cortez on the Aztec worldview.

Wood related at how absolutly angry Cortez and his buddies got when they
heard this "Isn't sacrifice by ripping out hearts GREAT!" speech.

And I thought of how absolutely angry I got in the days following 9-11.
And how, even if you aren't a noble person (like Cortez) and you come
from an imperfect society (like 1500s Spain)...
you can still spot the savages.


13 posted on 09/02/2006 1:43:59 PM PDT by VOA
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To: wagglebee; blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Waggs.

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14 posted on 09/02/2006 1:46:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: VOA

I've always thought that if someone is recommending sacrifices, then they should be first in line.

Re: Hillary "We're going to take things from you for your own good".


15 posted on 09/02/2006 1:47:11 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Cacique

btt


16 posted on 09/02/2006 2:01:35 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: wagglebee

And yet, somehow as a Spaniard, 500 years on, I am supposed to feel sorry and ashamed that my forebearers brought these people Civilization and Christianity? Sorry libs, European Civilization and Christianity is the highest of Human acheivement.


17 posted on 09/02/2006 2:02:33 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: wagglebee

I read an awful lot of negative ajectives in this article. Where is the tolerance and appreciation for multicultural diversity? I mean, who are we, after all, to judge much older nations and their cultural practices. For an upstart nation only a few hundred years old, we certainly could learn a lot from the elder wisdom of a people living much closer to our mother the earth than we do. The problem with the European Judeo-Christian experience is that it critically judges the entire world from its own perspective rather than learning to accept the totality of human experience as a rich resource to respect and learn from.

(Feel free to copy and paste onto your next application for University enrollment)


18 posted on 09/02/2006 2:13:52 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Yeah, I've got an axe to grind...what else would you use on Leftists?)
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To: wagglebee
I'm sure it irritates the left to no end to admit that the "indigenous" people were not exactly peace loving.

Why should it? They call the muslimes peace loving.

19 posted on 09/02/2006 2:14:16 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: wagglebee
As they waited to be sacrificed outside a temple, the victims made no attempt to escape their fate: their throats were cut, they were decapitated and their hearts ripped out.

San Fransisco?

20 posted on 09/02/2006 2:14:34 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

ROFLMFAO!


21 posted on 09/02/2006 2:17:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
I'm sure it irritates the left to no end to admit that the "indigenous" people were not exactly peace loving.

I made this discovery in New Zealand. The indigenous people of North Island enjoyed a climate that allowed them to grow the traditional Polynesian crops they were used to. But on chilly South Island the tribes - identical ancestry - could not grow enough of the foods they were used to to survive. They did, however, own the supply of jade, prized on both islands.

So did a trade of food for jade develop? Nope: the North Islanders, being short of protein in a country with no native animals whatever, simply added a new item to their diets - South Islanders. They're what's for dinner!

22 posted on 09/02/2006 2:24:27 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: BlazingArizona; The Cuban
I can't remember where I read this, but one of the South American Indians (I think the Inca) sacrificed children in order to placate the rain god. It was considered auspicious if the child cried a lot as he/she was being taken to his death, as the excessive crying meant more rain.

I am not one bit sorry this culture was wiped out. Hurray for Spain!

23 posted on 09/02/2006 2:30:48 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

Plus Ultra!


24 posted on 09/02/2006 2:34:16 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: wagglebee

They should have saved their knives and their aggression for the Spaniards, instead of using it on their own innocent citizens.


25 posted on 09/02/2006 2:36:25 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

They were convinced they had it coming because they had done something to anger their gods. Just like the liberals of today are convinced we did something wrong to bring about 9-11. The proposed solutions are not dissimilar. The Incas sacraficed their own people to these false gods. The liberals propose to sacrafice western civilization to appease the false gods of radical Islam.


27 posted on 09/02/2006 2:47:47 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Do I really need a sarcasm tag?))
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To: wagglebee

But did they find any high priests with their heads chopped off? Nope? Didn't think so.


28 posted on 09/02/2006 2:48:42 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: chadwimc

The original jihadist barbarian certainly lived it.


29 posted on 09/02/2006 2:48:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: VOA

And I thought of how absolutely angry I got in the days following 9-11.
And how, even if you aren't a noble person (like Cortez) and you come
from an imperfect society (like 1500s Spain)...
you can still spot the savages.
= = = =

INDEED.

. . . though . . . much more difficult is spotting the savagry in the heart of each of us . . . that usually requires Holy Spirit's deep search light in many cases . . . and/or unusual circumstances.


30 posted on 09/02/2006 2:51:02 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: wagglebee

They musta learned this from the white man...


31 posted on 09/02/2006 2:53:54 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: wagglebee

GGG ?


32 posted on 09/02/2006 2:56:33 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: Sarah

GGG = "GodsGravesGlyphs"

See post #14.


33 posted on 09/02/2006 2:58:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: NewCenturions

What will future archeologists say, when they dig up the dumpsters where our aborted babies are deposited?


34 posted on 09/02/2006 3:08:38 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: wagglebee

WE have our own mass-scale human sacrifice industry/ritual. The "temples" are Planned Parenthood clinics and other charnel houses where infants are sacrificed to the diabolical powers that our society worships.


35 posted on 09/02/2006 3:12:25 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

You are so very correct.


36 posted on 09/02/2006 3:14:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: VOA
The Spaniards had spent centuries driving the Muslims out of the Iberian Peninsula. During this time they had adopted a theology that placed value on the human soul, not the human being. The logic went that animals were less than humans because they had no soul. Further, humans who had forfeited their souls to Satan, Allah or a pagan demon were less than animals because they had chosen their fate.
37 posted on 09/02/2006 3:46:33 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: The Cuban

You are absolutely correct. By God's mercy Europe will rediscover its Christian roots, and America will somehow retain what remains of our Christian heritage. For both of us, the alternative is unimaginable darkness.


38 posted on 09/02/2006 4:06:09 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: Natural Law; Quix

One other interesting part of the series (link below) was the final episode.
It mentioned how the worst abuses of the Native Americans by the Spaniards
was brought to an end only after a long lobbying effort by some priests.
I've been out of school many years, but I wouldn't be suprised if that
part of the story is left out of today's history textbooks.

http://www.pbs.org/conquistadors/


39 posted on 09/02/2006 4:07:51 PM PDT by VOA
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To: wagglebee

These Peruvian indigenous peoples were serious pagans propitiating their idols with human victims. Though I'm sure the Aztecs had them beat

Judaism got it's start as a rebellion against pagan human sacrifice


40 posted on 09/02/2006 4:10:21 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: dennisw

These Peruvian indigenous peoples were serious pagans propitiating their idols with human victims. Though I'm sure the Aztecs had them beat

Judaism got it's start as a rebellion against pagan human sacrifice
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About 20 years ago now a source book for much Cortez's story was translated into English for the first time and published. The books name is the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz. He was one of Cortez lieutenants.

He says something that doesn't make it into the history books in school. The Aztecs priests would "act up" right in front of Cortez.

Apparently human sacrifice and homosexuality in the priesthood went hand in hand with Aztecs as it did with the Caananites. And too, Cortez's reaction was just the same as Moses.


41 posted on 09/02/2006 4:24:14 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: wagglebee

For years and years, the media and media driven scholars have advanced the notion that primitive societies were somehow better than our own, more friendly, more tolerant, more charitable, more in tune with Nature's harmony. Of course, it was all BS. With very few exceptions, the farther back one goes in evolutionary history, the more savage and cruel societies were. Those alleged societies of South and Central America were not only savage and cruel, but, very likely, insane, as well. One doesn't need a degree in psychology or psychiatry to read the mindset behind the stone carvings they have left us. Uncovering their blood-thirsty sacrifices only adds to the case against their sanity. Add to that a diet of high carbohydrates for generation after generation, and one is safe in concluding that both their beliefs and their behaviors were symptoms of a terminal disease.


42 posted on 09/02/2006 4:25:03 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: VOA
Wood described how Cortes and some of his officers were taken to the killing room at the top of one of the temples. Montezuma tried to give Cortez and his buddies a lesson in Aztec theology, explaining how well ripping the hearts from their victims made the Sun happy and kept the world going round. The speech was obviously intended to sell Cortez on the Aztec worldview. Wood related at how absolutly angry Cortez and his buddies got when they heard this

Did that meeting actually happen, or was this something Michael Wood was guessing about?

43 posted on 09/02/2006 4:32:29 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Continental Soldier

You bringing up the high carb diet got me thinking, I wonder if it's possible that ergotism was a factor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotism


44 posted on 09/02/2006 4:43:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
"As they waited to be sacrificed outside a temple, the victims made no attempt to escape their fate: their throats were cut, they were decapitated and their hearts ripped out."

That happens [symbolically] in politics all of the time. ;-)

45 posted on 09/02/2006 4:46:02 PM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: stripes1776
Did that meeting actually happen, or was this something Michael Wood was guessing about?

It's been a few years since I saw it...but I think Wood was using
writing left by Cortez or one of his party as source.

I've seen Wood on a couple of previous documentaries and he does
seem to be fairly serious about getting history right.

Of course, we're at the mercy of that old dictum...
the victors are the ones that write the history!
46 posted on 09/02/2006 4:51:53 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Ken522; SunkenCiv

What an arrogant statement by westerners to assume that their ancestors' arrival was the greatest upheaval to ever hit the indiginous peoples of south america. There are natural disasters like volcanoes, earthquakes, landslides, meteor strikes, changes in the ocean currents and climates leading to floods, droughts, and wildfires; and the actions of local inhabitants, like attacks by other tribes and the practices of their own evil leaders and witch doctors who enslaved and butchered the people to factor into their history, but only the arrival of a handful of gringos into their densely populated cities could possibly trigger the frenzied bloodshed of innocents.

I don't buy it.
Their own superstitions and demons condemned them.


47 posted on 09/02/2006 4:54:23 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: churchillbuff

Oooooooo...good one.


48 posted on 09/02/2006 4:58:43 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: stripes1776

Here's a link...the first paragraph just mentions that the Spaniards were
horrified at the Aztec's human sacrifices.
http://www.pbs.org/conquistadors/cortes/cortes_f00.html

In the video, Wood expands on that by recounting the "moment of truth"
when the Spaniards' revulsion was really solidified.


49 posted on 09/02/2006 4:59:44 PM PDT by VOA
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To: verity

Wait until the 2008 'Rat primary season rolls around, it may happen more literally than you think.


50 posted on 09/02/2006 5:08:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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