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Noah's Ark Discovered ... Again and Again
Skeptical Inquirer ^ | 9-5-06 | Benjamin Radford

Posted on 09/05/2006 10:47:39 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser

In this world there are things that seem on the verge of being discovered every so often, yet never quite materialize. The "Lost City" of Atlantis, for example, has been "found" at least a half dozen times. One researcher is pretty sure it is in Bolivia; another says it is Antarctica; a third claims that Bimini beachrock may be from the lost civilization. So it is with Noah's Ark. The difference is, of course, that the implications of Noah's Ark actually being found extend far beyond archaeology. The weight of all the paired animals in the world is nothing compared to the religious freight that the Ark carries. The Ark story is scientifically implausible; there simply wouldn't be enough space on the boat to accommodate two of every living animal (including dinosaurs), along with the food and water necessary to keep them alive. Furthermore, constructing a vessel of that scale would take hundreds of workers months to complete.

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A good article, lots of scammers out there "discovering" the ark again and again. There is no ark, it was just a story used to teach people.
1 posted on 09/05/2006 10:47:40 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser
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To: Central Scrutiniser
The Ark story is scientifically implausible; there simply wouldn't be enough space on the boat to accommodate two of every living animal (including dinosaurs)

I'm not going to stake out much of a position here, but I will point out that I don't think ANYONE proposes that Noah took dinosaurs on the Ark.

2 posted on 09/05/2006 10:50:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Actually, if you read the 'story', there were more than two of each species on the Ark.

If you are gonna be a skeptical critic, at least be an accurate one. ;-p


3 posted on 09/05/2006 10:50:33 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

BTW, were you a central scrutinizer in the SCCA?


4 posted on 09/05/2006 10:51:16 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
It's buried in a cornfield out near Amarillo. Parts of its ribbing are sticking out of the ground.


5 posted on 09/05/2006 10:52:08 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The California Republican Party needs Arnold the way a drowning man needs an anvil.)
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To: Blueflag

I still want to know how all the animals walked back to all the corners of the earth after the flood, without eating as the flood wiped everything out. And why there are no fossils of the species all over the world as they made their way back?

Wait, I have an answer "A miracle!"

LOL


6 posted on 09/05/2006 10:52:21 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

A good article, lots of scammers out there "discovering" the ark again and again. There is no ark, it was just a story used to teach people.

Noah's, Ark. You sure it's not a town in Arkansaw? What's the zip code?


7 posted on 09/05/2006 10:52:33 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter))
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To: Blueflag

what is a SCCA?


8 posted on 09/05/2006 10:52:44 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

I'm impressed! You have the correct answer indeed. It was a miracle. That is the point.


9 posted on 09/05/2006 10:53:42 AM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglÚs)
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To: Ingtar

That was a joke, the history of earth is not ruled by fables and miracles, every animal on earth did not descend from its ancestors on an ark.

If you feel they did, that is fine, but you have to prove it.


10 posted on 09/05/2006 10:55:23 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

There is no ark because if they were smart, they disassembled it for parts, or at least heating fuel.


11 posted on 09/05/2006 10:56:43 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Central Scrutiniser
It was a memnonic structure which people could use to remember vast numbers of stories ~ about animals, about relationships, about morality, and so on.

See: Memory Palace. The Garden of Eden is a similar device for recalling necessary information about plants.

12 posted on 09/05/2006 10:57:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Au contraire, the history of earth IS ruled by fables and miracles, be they religious in nature or scientific. Truly even in this day we know so very little.
13 posted on 09/05/2006 10:58:45 AM PDT by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
You sure it's not a town in Arkansaw? What's the zip code?

Do you know how long ago the postal official abbreviation for states because two letters?
You're seriesly dating yourself.

14 posted on 09/05/2006 11:00:17 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Sports Car Club of America. At the end of the race (and before the race) winners' vehicles were "tech'd" by "scrutineers". Generally this meant your race car, blueprinted and assembled to excting torgues and aligments, were handed back to you mostly disassembled -- as either having passed or failed "tech".

At the time I raced, most of the vehicles were British by heritage, and we called the tech guys 'scrutinisers'.

I thought maybe you were one of "them". ;-)

BTW, read a book entitled "The Languageof God" by Francis Collins. Dr. Francis Collins is the scientist who led the Human Genome Project. He wrote the book as a way for " a scientist to present evidence for faith." He grew up in the church, became serially a skeptic, an agnostic, and atheist and then a believer, and now a Christian ... all as he continued his study (and understanding) of the natural world.

You might smirk at Noah's experience in Genesis. But see what you think/believe after you read Collins' book.
15 posted on 09/05/2006 11:02:54 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

The pastor's sermon piss you off this weekend?


16 posted on 09/05/2006 11:04:07 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: statered

Actually, we know quite a bit, we use the scientific method to explain our world. If you think the history of the world is ruled by fables and miracles, I would advise you not to get on a boat, as you may be eaten by a dragon or fall off the edge of the world.


17 posted on 09/05/2006 11:04:10 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

I found the Ark while digging in my own back yard. Everyone said it was an old beer barrel, but I know better!!


18 posted on 09/05/2006 11:05:25 AM PDT by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: Central Scrutiniser
If you feel they did, that is fine, but you have to prove it.

Why?
Prove they didn't.

Wait.
How did I end up on the evo or religion forum anyway?

Never mind.

19 posted on 09/05/2006 11:08:22 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: statered
Au contraire, the history of earth IS ruled by fables and miracles, be they religious in nature or scientific. Truly even in this day we know so very little.

Couldn't be plainer; islam is a religion of peace...

20 posted on 09/05/2006 11:09:44 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

How big was Noah’s Ark, really?

According to the Bible, God Himself gave the overall dimensions for building the Ark.

Length: 137 m (450 ft) Total floor space: 100,000 sq. feet (3 floors)

Width: 23 m (75 ft) Total volume: 1,396,000 cubic ft.

Height: 14 m (45 ft) Cargo capacity: 15,000 tons.


21 posted on 09/05/2006 11:09:50 AM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: Publius6961

No, you have the outrageous claim that goes against logic, you prove that there was an ark. Where is it? How did the animals get home? What did they eat? Where are the fossils? How could you build a boat out of wood that would be structurally sound enough and large enough to hold all the animals.

You have to answer the questions to prove the fable, I just have logic and science on my side.


22 posted on 09/05/2006 11:11:42 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm not going to stake out much of a position here, but I will point out that I don't think ANYONE proposes that Noah took dinosaurs on the Ark.

I do. If Noah took two or more of each species while young, it makes a lot more sense. Genetic variation would explain the rest.

23 posted on 09/05/2006 11:12:38 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: All
A picture of "Central Scrutiniser," taken from his profile page:


24 posted on 09/05/2006 11:14:14 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm not going to stake out much of a position here, but I will point out that I don't think ANYONE proposes that Noah took dinosaurs on the Ark.

Wrong. Some Young-Earth-Creationist-Freepers insist that there were dinosaurs aboard Noah's Arc. If you want to argue with them, go ahead.

25 posted on 09/05/2006 11:14:26 AM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: meowmeow
"There is no ark because if they were smart, they disassembled it for parts, or at least heating fuel. "
And what do you think did Noah make his still of? They still sell Armenian brandy "Noah the patriarch", 10 yrs old and pretty decent. He's depicted on the label, IIRC.
26 posted on 09/05/2006 11:14:38 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Publius6961

There is a story flaoting about concerning a National Geographic expedition in the 1950's which found the Ark & returned with numerous items to the Museum Of Natural History In NY. It seems the US Government was aboard for the ride & the entire expedition was labeled top secret.


27 posted on 09/05/2006 11:15:57 AM PDT by johnnyjumpstart
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To: Rodm

If it didn't happen why are there stories of a flood from every culture in the world? China has a story that is almost exactly the same.


28 posted on 09/05/2006 11:16:20 AM PDT by TN4Bush
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To: Central Scrutiniser
You have to answer the questions to prove the fable, I just have logic and science on my side.

No. You have your own assumptions on your side. You have accepted them by faith; you believe them to be true.

29 posted on 09/05/2006 11:17:03 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
[There is no ark, it was just a story used to teach people.]

I am not trained in the ways of preaching, but I will offer this as a useful perspective when reading/interpreting the bible.

There were many authors of the Good Book. Each author had a different target audience. Many books in the Old Testimate relayed stories and teachings that communicated the lesson to folks of that time in a way that they could relate to. Also, all author's translations are the best interpretation of the ancient languages.

Was there an Adam and Eve? I don't know, I believe the earliest believers needed a clear explanation of human existence and that symbolism likely effectively communicated it in terms that humans 4,500 years ago could make sense of. I do not believe the message in Genesis is intended to explain exactly how humans came to be as much as it is that God created everything and our existence is at the Lord's pleasure. Our existence on earth is not to be one of leisure pleasantries but to endure hardships and make choices as we develop our souls in preparation for our welcome back to "The Garden of Eden." Genesis is filled with sin and misery.

Did the sea part to allow the Israelites flee Egypt? Maybe. It may be more likely that the Egyptians were days behind the fleeing Israelites and the see was shallow enough to cross followed by an earthquake, floods, etc. One way or another, Moses, with the inspiration and power of God, led the Israelites in a cunning, daring and yes, miraculous escape against all odds.

Noah's ark? Maybe a regional story that demonstrates God's grace for those that believe. I believe Noah survived a flood that likely wiped out a local population. He was close to God and may have even built a boat for his family and his herds at the direction of God prior to the storms and floods. Over the years, the story may have evolved to include all of the planet.

I believe that the bible is the word of God. Written by mere mortals to mere mortals. It is the playbook for our existence and the how to manual to shape your soul in eager anticipation of our afterlife with our Lord. We have but 80+/- years to get our Sh** straight and along the way overcome life's challenges. We each will get to bare a cross and prove ourselves worthy. The Lord was kind enough to give us directions. I believe we call it the Bible.
30 posted on 09/05/2006 11:17:15 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (War Monger...In the name of liberty, let's go to war!!!!)
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To: balrog666
And some people even insist that, in spite all geological evidence, there was a global flood.

And an arc.

And an Easter Bunny.

31 posted on 09/05/2006 11:17:49 AM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Sports Car Club of America


32 posted on 09/05/2006 11:18:21 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Rodm

How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?

by Jonathan Sarfati

Many skeptics assert that the Bible must be wrong, because they claim that the Ark could not possibly have carried all the different types of animals. This has persuaded some Christians to deny the Genesis Flood, or believe that it was only a local flood involving comparatively few local animals. But they usually have not actually performed the calculations. On the other hand, the classic creationist book The Genesis Flood contained a detailed analysis as far back as 1961.1 A more detailed and updated technical study of this and many other questions is John Woodmorappe’s book Noah’s Ark: a Feasibility Study. This article is based on material in these books plus some independent calculations. There are two questions to ask:

* How many types of animals did Noah need to take?
* Was the ark large enough to hold all the required animals?

How many types of animals did Noah need to take?

The relevant passages are Genesis 6:19–20 and Genesis 7:2–3.

Genesis 6:19–20:
‘And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.’

Genesis 7:2–3:
‘Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.’

In the original Hebrew, the word for ‘beast’ and ‘cattle’ in these passages is the same: behemah, and it refers to land vertebrate animals in general. The word for ‘creeping things’ is remes, which has a number of different meanings in Scripture, but here it probably refers to reptiles.2 Noah did not need to take sea creatures3 because they would not necessarily be threatened with extinction by a flood. However, turbulent water would cause massive carnage, as seen in the fossil record, and many oceanic species probably did become extinct because of the Flood.

However, if God in His wisdom had decided not to preserve some ocean creatures, this was none of Noah’s business. Noah did not need to take plants either—many could have survived as seeds, and others could have survived on floating mats of vegetation. Many insects and other invertebrates were small enough to have survived on these mats as well. The Flood wiped out all land animals which breathed through nostrils except those on the Ark (Genesis 7:22). Insects do not breathe through nostrils but through tiny tubes in their exterior skeleton.

Clean animals: Bible commentators are evenly divided about whether the Hebrew means ‘seven’ or ‘seven pairs’ of each type of clean animal. Woodmorappe takes the latter just to concede as much to the biblioskeptics as possible. But the vast majority of animals are not clean, and were represented by only two specimens each. The term ‘clean animal’ was not defined until the Mosaic Law. But since Moses was also the compiler of Genesis, if we follow the principle that ‘Scripture interprets Scripture’, the Mosaic Law definitions can be applied to the Noahic situation. There are actually very few ‘clean’ land animals listed in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.

What is a ‘kind’? God created a number of different types of animals with much capacity for variation within limits.4 The descendants of each of these different kinds, apart from humans, would today mostly be represented by a larger grouping than what is called a species. In most cases, those species descended from a particular original kind would be grouped today within what modern taxonomists (biologists who classify living things) call a genus (plural genera).

One common definition of a species is a group of organisms which can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, and cannot mate with other species. However, most of the so-called species (obviously all the extinct ones) have not been tested to see what they can or cannot mate with. In fact, not only are there known crosses between so-called species, but there are many instances of trans-generic mating, so the ‘kind’ may in some cases be as high as the family. Identifying the ‘kind’ with the genus is also consistent with Scripture, which spoke of kinds in a way that the Israelites could easily recognize without the need for tests of reproductive isolation.

For example, horses, zebras and donkeys are probably descended from an equine (horse-like) kind, since they can interbreed, although the offspring are sterile. Dogs, wolves, coyotes and jackals are probably from a canine (dog-like) kind. All different types of domestic cattle (which are clean animals) are descended from the Aurochs, so there were probably at most seven (or fourteen) domestic cattle aboard. The Aurochs itself may have been descended from a cattle kind including bisons and water buffaloes. We know that tigers and lions can produce hybrids called tigons and ligers, so it is likely that they are descended from the same original kind.

Woodmorappe totals about 8000 genera, including extinct genera, thus about 16,000 individual animals which had to be aboard. With extinct genera, there is a tendency among some paleontologists to give each of their new finds a new genus name. But this is arbitrary, so the number of extinct genera is probably highly overstated. Consider the sauropods, which were the largest dinosaurs—the group of huge plant-eaters like Brachiosaurus, Diplodocus, Apatosaurus, etc. There are 87 sauropod genera commonly cited, but only 12 are ‘firmly established’ and another 12 are considered ‘fairly well established’.5

One commonly raised problem is ‘How could you fit all those huge dinosaurs on the Ark?’ First, of the 668 supposed dinosaur genera, only 106 weighed more than ten tons when fully grown. Second, as said above, the number of dinosaur genera is probably greatly exaggerated. But these numbers are granted by Woodmorappe to be generous to skeptics. Third, the Bible does not say that the animals had to be fully grown. The largest animals were probably represented by ‘teenage’ or even younger specimens. The median size of all animals on the ark would actually have been that of a small rat, according to Woodmorappe‘s up-to-date tabulations, while only about 11 % would have been much larger than a sheep.

Another problem often raised by atheists and theistic evolutionists is ‘how did disease germs survive the flood?’ This is a leading question—it presumes that germs were as specialized and infectious as they are now, so all the Ark’s inhabitants must have been infected with every disease on earth. But germs were probably more robust in the past, and have only fairly recently lost the ability to survive in different hosts or independently of a host. In fact, even now many germs can survive in insect vectors or corpses, or in the dried or frozen state, or be carried by a host without causing disease. Finally, loss of resistance to disease is consistent with the general degeneration of life since the Fall.6
Was the ark large enough to hold all the required animals?

The Ark measured 300x50x30 cubits (Genesis 6:15), which is about 140x23x13.5 metres or 459x75x44 feet, so its volume was 43,500 m3 (cubic metres) or 1.54 million cubic feet. To put this in perspective, this is the equivalent volume of 522 standard American railroad stock cars, each of which can hold 240 sheep.

If the animals were kept in cages with an average size of 50x50x30 centimetres (20x20x12 inches), that is 75,000 cm3 (cubic centimetres) or 4800 cubic inches, the 16,000 animals would only occupy 1200 m3 (42,000 cubic feet) or 14.4 stock cars. Even if a million insect species had to be on board, it would not be a problem, because they require little space. If each pair was kept in cages of 10 cm (four inches) per side, or 1000 cm3, all the insect species would occupy a total volume of only 1000 m3, or another 12 cars. This would leave room for five trains of 99 cars each for food, Noah’s family and ‘range’ for the animals. However, insects are not included in the meaning of behemah or remes in Genesis 6:19-20, so Noah probably would not have taken them on board as passengers anyway.

Tabulating the total volume is fair enough, since this shows that there would be plenty of room on the Ark for the animals with plenty left over for food, range etc. It would be possible to stack cages, with food on top or nearby (to minimize the amount of food carrying the humans had to do), to fill up more of the Ark space, while still allowing plenty of room for gaps for air circulation. We are discussing an emergency situation, not necessarily luxury accommodation. Although there is plenty of room for exercise, skeptics have overstated animals’ needs for exercise anyway.

Even if we don’t allow stacking one cage on top of another to save floor space, there would be no problem. Woodmorappe shows from standard recommended floor space requirements for animals that all of them together would have needed less than half the available floor space of the Ark’s three decks. This arrangement allows for the maximum amount of food and water storage on top of the cages close to the animals.
Food requirements

The Ark would probably have carried compressed and dried foodstuffs, and probably a lot of concentrated food. Perhaps Noah fed the cattle mainly on grain, plus some hay for fibre. Woodmorappe calculated that the volume of foodstuffs would have been only about 15 % of the Ark’s total volume. Drinking water would only have taken up 9.4 % of the volume. This volume would be reduced further if rainwater was collected and piped into troughs.


33 posted on 09/05/2006 11:19:31 AM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: balrog666

But, they do have a piece of wood that was soaked in soy sauce! Lots of money to be made off of the gullible.


34 posted on 09/05/2006 11:19:55 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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To: Oberon

No, I am using facts and logic, and the complete lack of any proof of the existence of the ark, you are just gullible and want to believe in fables, because you think you will lose your faith if you try to think clearly about this.


35 posted on 09/05/2006 11:21:18 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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To: My2Cents

Nice ad homenim attack.

Now, prove to me there was an ark, show me the fossils, tell me how the koalas crawled back to Australia, show me what the lions and tigers ate after the ark landed, etc....

Sigh...., at least try to make an argument, petty sniping is so boring.


36 posted on 09/05/2006 11:22:35 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
"No, you have the outrageous claim that goes against logic, you prove that there was an ark."

I don't know, FRiend. Logic has been used to prove that airplanes and bumblebees can't fly, and that atomic bombs won't work. As has been said, logic is but a way to err with certainty.
37 posted on 09/05/2006 11:23:24 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Rodm

Thanks for this posting. I needed a good belly-laugh today!


39 posted on 09/05/2006 11:24:43 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: Central Scrutiniser

[You have to answer the questions to prove the fable, I just have logic and science on my side.]

Logic is a funny thing. Science has it's limitations. Ironically, science involves a lot of faith. Theory is belief. Hypothisis is the foundation of theory. I to believe in science. But where science ends, Faith begins.

For instance, what went bang? Where did the ball of matter come from? If the Universe just always was, when did it start and what was it before it was what it is?

Faith brigdes gaps between the metaphysical, logical, scientific and miraculous. In the event that there is a God (which I firmly believe in), all would be wise to error on the side of caution. Otherwise you risk eternal damnation. If we, the faithful are wrong and there is no God or afterlife, what have you lost? But if we are correct.....well?


40 posted on 09/05/2006 11:25:38 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (War Monger...In the name of liberty, let's go to war!!!!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

"what is a SCCA?

"

For me, it will always be the Sports Car Club of America. I use to race a 1959 Sprite in their local races in Santa Barbara. They were held at the airport there....a long, long time ago.

What else it could be, I have no idea.


41 posted on 09/05/2006 11:27:43 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: johnnyjumpstart
There is a story flaoting about concerning a National Geographic expedition in the 1950's which found the Ark & returned with numerous items to the Museum Of Natural History In NY. It seems the US Government was aboard for the ride & the entire expedition was labeled top secret.

You forgot that when the Nazis captured it and popped off the top their faces melted.

42 posted on 09/05/2006 11:28:09 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: balrog666
Noah's Arc

How many degrees? :)

43 posted on 09/05/2006 11:28:54 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

The Lord said to Noah:
There's gonna be a floody, floody
The Lord said to Noah:
There's gonna be a floody, floody
Get those children out of the muddy, muddy
Children of the Lord

The Lord told Noah
To build him an arky, arky
The Lord told Noah
To build him an arky, arky
Build it out of gopher barky, barky
Children of the Lord

He called for the animals,
They came in by twosie, twosies
He called for the animals,
They came in by twosie, twosies
Elephants and kangaroosie, roosies
Children of the Lord

It rained and it poured
For forty daysie, daysies
It rained and it poured
For forty daysie, daysies
Almost drove those animals crazy, crazies,
Children of the Lord

Then Noah he sent out
He sent out a dovey dovey
Noah he sent out
He sent out a dovey dovey
Dovey said "There's clear skies abovey-bovey"
Children of the Lord

The sun came out and
It dried up the landy landy
The sun came out and
It dried up the landy landy
Everything was fine and dandy, dandy
Children of the Lord

The animals they came off
They came off by three-sies three-sies
Animals they came off
They came off by three-sies three-sies
Grizzly bears and chimpanzee-sies zee-sies
Children of the Lord

That is the end of,
The end of my story, story
That is the end of,
The end of my story, story
Everything is hunky dory, dory
Children of the Lord


44 posted on 09/05/2006 11:29:04 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: TonyRo76

Lame argument, were you there?

Prove to me that there was, tell me how you got all the species in a wooden boat. How long did it take to build it? How much food was needed? Answer some basic facts, do you believe that every animal on earth is descended from 2 of its own kind on a boat 4300 years ago?

Really, give me some proof and facts to back up your belief in this story.


45 posted on 09/05/2006 11:29:08 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Here's Noah's Arc Welding.


46 posted on 09/05/2006 11:30:48 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Central Scrutiniser
No, I am using facts and logic, and the complete lack of any proof of the existence of the ark, you are just gullible and want to believe in fables, because you think you will lose your faith if you try to think clearly about this.

So you believe. Keep it up...it's as fine a demonstration of fundamentalism as I've ever seen.

47 posted on 09/05/2006 11:30:58 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: balrog666
Noah's Arc

How many degrees? :)

48 posted on 09/05/2006 11:32:01 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Maybe that was Noah's rainbow?!



49 posted on 09/05/2006 11:33:11 AM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: Oberon

No, not fundamentalism, because the scientific method builds upon actual discoveries and facts, things that are not open to interpretation or subjectivity.

You can't expect everyone to take the fables that you believe in on faith, some of us want you to prove it.

No one here has yet explained what the animals ate when the world was trashed after the flood. What the carnivores ate when there was no meat, how specialty animals like koalas or sloth which only eat certain leaves in their habitat were able to survive, and then trek thousands of miles home and across vast oceans.

I'm waiting...


50 posted on 09/05/2006 11:34:18 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (I was in the house when the house burnt down.)
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