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White on white: Nation's first ever 'whiteness' survey provides new insight on race
Eureka Alert--U of Minnesota ^ | 9-6-06 | David Ruth

Posted on 09/06/2006 7:09:04 AM PDT by Pharmboy

Survey focuses on what white people think about being white

MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL (9/6/2006) -- What whites think about their own race is the focus of a first-of-its-kind national survey by researchers in the University of Minnesota's department of sociology. From a telephone survey of more than 2,000 households nationwide, results show that there is more recognition among white people of their own racial identity and the social privileges that come with it than was previously thought.

The assumption behind prior scholarship and diversity training initiatives was that whites overlooked their own race.

"It's sort of like having an accent," said the study's co-author, University of Minnesota associate professor Doug Hartmann. "For some white Americans, racial identity is so fixed, so taken for granted, that 'race' becomes something other people have."

In fact, the researchers found that a majority of whites (74 percent) felt that their own racial identity was important to them, and that a similar majority were able to see prejudice and discrimination as important in explaining white advantage. At the same time, minorities are more likely to see their racial identities as important and to see structural reasons for racial disparities.

The research also suggests that awareness of white identity and awareness of white privilege are not the same. "The fact of the matter is that people claim white identity for defensive as well as progressive reasons," said survey co-author Paul Croll, University of Minnesota graduate student.

Age and income have little impact on a white person's awareness of their racial identity, the study found. But Southerners and social conservatives place more emphasis on their racial identity than other white Americans, while those with more education place less. Republican and male respondents most strongly resist claims that discrimination in legal and financial systems can explain white advantage. Additionally, respondents--regardless of their racial identity--believed strongly in the importance of individual effort, hard work and family upbringing in achieving success.

### The study, available upon request, was part of the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project funded by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family Foundation that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in the contemporary United States.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 95percentcantjump; privilege; race; whitefolks; whites
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1 posted on 09/06/2006 7:09:07 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: martin_fierro; aculeus; SunkenCiv; blam; PatrickHenry; Junior; wagglebee; an amused spectator

Not meant for the lists, but this is interesting: studying the Caucasian Tribe in their natural habitat--answering the telephone.


2 posted on 09/06/2006 7:11:07 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: Pharmboy
awareness of white privilege

Hey! That sounds cool! Why didn't anyone tell me? What have I been missing out on??

3 posted on 09/06/2006 7:11:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Pharmboy
Everything's gonna' be all white!
4 posted on 09/06/2006 7:11:55 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: Pharmboy

Why do they need to do studies of things that every reasonable person is already aware of? Seems like I'm missing out on a great career field, getting paid to do *studies*. There's worse ways to earn a living.


5 posted on 09/06/2006 7:15:09 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Pharmboy

the "white" race is the smallest race on the planet, of the 190 nations in the UN only a handfull of then are majority or run by "white" people -

That handfull however seems to be the only successful ones and that majority of all the other countries don't seem to be a place where a lot of people want to live.


6 posted on 09/06/2006 7:15:45 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Pharmboy
...awareness of white privilege...

Stopped reading there. I did not make it to where I am today because of my skin color. I made it here because I had parents who gave a damn about where I was and what I was doing when I was young. I made it here because I applied myself in school. I made it here because I took initiative and blew off the losers who told me I was "selling out" (for whatever reason).

The whole "white privilege" idea is nothing but a Leftist racist cop-out for other minorities not giving a damn about their own future.

Every time I hear that ours is a racist culture that keeps minorities down, I always demand an explanation for the success of the Asian community. And every time I get nothing but bullcrap socio-babble from the Left.

7 posted on 09/06/2006 7:19:33 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the kind.)
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To: Prime Choice

I'm with you, PC.


8 posted on 09/06/2006 7:20:25 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: Pharmboy
a similar majority were able to see prejudice and discrimination as important in explaining white advantage.

Or could it be white cultural values? Like valuing education, a work ethic, and long-term goal seeking. Asians tend to be even better at this than whites. That's the fly in the ointment for anyone who wants to talk about white privilege. Do white people get to complain about "yellow privilege"?
9 posted on 09/06/2006 7:22:39 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Prime Choice
» The whole "white privilege" idea is nothing but a Leftist racist cop-out for other minorities not giving a damn about their own future.

Amen! Bears repeating.

10 posted on 09/06/2006 7:23:32 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Prime Choice
The whole "white privilege" idea is nothing but a Leftist racist cop-out for other minorities not giving a damn about their own future.

I take it the left hasn't yet taught you how to be apologetic for being white...;-)

11 posted on 09/06/2006 7:25:44 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Pharmboy
Comedian: Yo, check this out: black guys drive a car like this.
[Leans back, as though his elbow were on the windowsill]
Do, do, ch. Do-be-do, do-be-do-be-do.
Yeah, but white guys, see, they drive a car like this.
[Hunches forward, talks nasally]
Dee-da-dee, a-dee-da-dee-da-dee-da-dee.
Homer: Ah ha ha, it's true, it's true! We're so lame!

And there you have it.
12 posted on 09/06/2006 7:26:14 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Prime Choice

You are correct, sir!


13 posted on 09/06/2006 7:27:35 AM PDT by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: Pharmboy

A sign of the times is that we no longer categorize people as a single race. Now applications ask "To which races do you belong?". You can pick multiple races today.

I'm feeling kinda American Indian today.


14 posted on 09/06/2006 7:27:57 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: .cnI redruM

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15 posted on 09/06/2006 7:28:02 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Pharmboy

I keep looking for this "white privelege" all these affirmative action A**clowns keep talking about and have yet to find it.

Yet at the same time, I'm inundated by "Diversity" and "Inclusion" training and all kinds of other BS propaganda, all the while being called a White racist devil slavemaster because I was born white.

I don't care what you call it, a pig with lipstick on its snout is still a pig and that is what "diversity" is to affirmative action.

The last thing I have to say is to all you hyphenated "americans". You aren't American. You claim to be. But all you want is to be able to claim victim status and at the same time say you are an "american" and demand the rights that come with it while not behaving or acting like an American.

You know what? Screw you! Start acting like an American and then I'll treat you as an equal. Until then...STFU!

Rant off.

SZ


16 posted on 09/06/2006 7:28:27 AM PDT by SZonian (Fighting Caliphobia one detractor at a time)
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To: azhenfud
I take it the left hasn't yet taught you how to be apologetic for being white...;-)

Oh, they tried. But the only response they got from me was, "Gee, I'm sorry you're so focused on my skin color. How about focusing on the content of my character instead?"

I love shooting down Leftists with their own artillery.   ;o)

17 posted on 09/06/2006 7:30:34 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Kindness to the cruel is cruelty to the kind.)
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To: SZonian

Come on now you KNOW you are "a White racist devil slavemaster." And that is only on your GOOD days.


18 posted on 09/06/2006 7:33:36 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Pharmboy
The study […] was part of the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project funded by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family Foundation that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in the contemporary United States.
Funny: German universities in the 1930s made a lot of such studies, too. It's really nice to see our modern, liberal “scholars” take it up and continue where they left ;-\


19 posted on 09/06/2006 7:34:10 AM PDT by cartan
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To: Pharmboy
But Southerners and social conservatives place more emphasis on their racial identity than other white Americans, while those with more education place less.

In other words, race is important to ignorant bigots, but not to the educated elite among us. Gee, I wonder how stacked that poll was.

20 posted on 09/06/2006 7:34:27 AM PDT by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: SZonian
>>>>I keep looking for this "white privelege" all these affirmative action A**clowns keep talking about and have yet to find it.


I stole your honky platinum card and charged a bunch of booze, cds and hookers to it. You'll get the bill next month. All your white privileges belong to us.
21 posted on 09/06/2006 7:35:12 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: Pharmboy
Hey wait, I'm actually kind of beige....

Us beige's have a long and sick history of inventing things and generally improving what's around us. A sordid and horrid past of making up stuff like the Internet and titty bars. Elvis? Beige! Einstein? Beige! Steven Hawkings? Beige! Will Farrell? Al Gore? Well, they are kind of pink and don't count.

The only hope for America is to continue to allow the Mexican-Mexicans in to everntually overcome the beige ones and do away with us. This, coupled with Sharia law and making every beige become a moslem will finally bring the beige people under control and get us back to the 17th or maybe even, if we are lucky, the 16th century.

/sarcasm off / Who gives a crap what color someones skin is? Oh, I guess the people that did this "tele-study"...

22 posted on 09/06/2006 7:35:47 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (You! Shake your junk!)
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To: Confederato; zgirl; dixie1202; righthand man; TexConfederate1861; chesley; rustbucket; JamesP81; ...
But Southerners and social conservatives place more emphasis on their racial identity than other white Americans, while those with more education place less.

Idiots.

23 posted on 09/06/2006 7:38:09 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Prime Choice; Pharmboy
Every time I hear that ours is a racist culture that keeps minorities down, I always demand an explanation for the success of the Asian community.

In the late 1970's my parent's church sponsored some Vietnamese refugee families. One in particular, we got to know fairly well. They came here illiterate and speaking no English with their five children. My father got the husband a job as basically a helper at a friend's factory. My mother hired the wife to clean our house and also got her jobs cleaning the homes of some of my parent's other friends. My family and others in our church gave them money throughout the first year they were here, rented a small apartment for them and gave them a beat-up old car. After a year they no longer needed any financial help and they never received any government money aside from Medicaid in the very beginning.

It is now nearly thirty years later. The Vietnamese couple now live in a 3500 SF home in a very nice neighborhood and they buy new vehicles couple of years. All of their children are college graduates. The husband is a superintendent at the same factory he started at when he first got here and the wife now owns three nail salons.

That's what I think of whenever people try to start on this race and class envy crap. If you cannot succeed in the United States it is either because you have an IQ in the very low single digits or you just don't care. We are a capitalistic society, we WANT people to succeed, it is in EVERYONE'S best interests to have as many people succeed as possible.

I really don't see how the left fails to realize this. I mean think about it, they managed to take a serial sex offender out of a backass trailer park and put him in the Oval Office, that alone should prove how easy it is to be successful in America.

24 posted on 09/06/2006 7:38:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Do white people get to complain about "yellow privilege"?

Maybe so. They certain work hard enough to keep Asians from taking more of the slots in top California schools: they, the Mexicans, and the blacks. There is a part of "white culture" that values sports and other things more than the academic side of school. That's why Jews and--less famously, Irish-Catholics --tend to outshine other ethnics financially.

25 posted on 09/06/2006 7:38:32 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

That's in my alternate universe accessed through the Stargate. Don't tell anyone.

SZ


26 posted on 09/06/2006 7:38:43 AM PDT by SZonian (Fighting Caliphobia one detractor at a time)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Or being able to cooperate beyond tribalizm? I'm not sure any other ethnic group in the world could even comprehend the idea of "diversity."


27 posted on 09/06/2006 7:39:03 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Freedom of religion means freedom to practice IslamŽ)
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To: 70times7

Southerners and social conservatives are not deluded about multiculturalism. I suspect, neither are Southern blacks.


28 posted on 09/06/2006 7:40:56 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: .cnI redruM

LOL!!!!!


29 posted on 09/06/2006 7:41:13 AM PDT by Married with Children
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To: Pharmboy
"But Southerners and social conservatives place more emphasis on their racial identity than other white Americans"

Oh year, I get up every morning and check to make sure my whiteness hasn't gotten any darker in the night!

" while those with more education place less"

But if I go to school long enough I might find my proper guilt ridden place in society

" Republican and male respondents most strongly resist claims that discrimination in legal and financial systems can explain white advantage."

Well naturally it would be those mean Republican white men.

" Additionally, respondents--regardless of their racial identity's"

I thought this was a "white" survey so who are those that don't know their racial identity and what are they doing in this survey?

"believed strongly in the importance of individual effort, hard work and family upbringing in achieving success."

Nice to know that individual effort might be given some small recognition.

Well it is the University of Minnesota, the font of all wisdom. I just wonder if the person who wrote this is a journalism major....he/she certainly hit all the pc points...Southeners bad, whites bad, conservatives bad, Republicans bad, men bad. /p>

30 posted on 09/06/2006 7:41:14 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: isthisnickcool

Who says we're white? We're many different colors. We're red when we're mad, blue when we're cold, green when we're sick...


31 posted on 09/06/2006 7:41:45 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Freedom of religion means freedom to practice IslamŽ)
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To: Prime Choice
Every time I hear that ours is a racist culture that keeps minorities down

most minorities keep themselves down. when a large group whines that when anything doesn't go their way, its because of race, it puts more gap in the seperation of races.
32 posted on 09/06/2006 7:42:25 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Pharmboy
...that a similar majority were able to see prejudice and discrimination as important in explaining white advantage . . .

No bias here. Of course prejudice and discrimination are important. It's just that only the enlightened are able to see it.

... people claim white identity for defensive as well as progressive reasons,

No bias here either. It's of course a well-established fact that the only valid reasons for anything are progressive, not those reactionary defensive reasons. There can not, for example, be any reasons connected with simple fact. All must be political.
33 posted on 09/06/2006 7:42:38 AM PDT by Gorjus
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To: Prime Choice
Stopped reading there. I did not make it to where I am today because of my skin color. I made it here because I had parents who gave a damn about where I was and what I was doing when I was young. I made it here because I applied myself in school. I made it here because I took initiative and blew off the losers who told me I was "selling out" (for whatever reason).

Bumper sticker on a nice (and I mean nice)truck:

I Didn't wish for this
I WORKED for this.

34 posted on 09/06/2006 7:46:12 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: wagglebee

"If you cannot succeed in the United States it is either because you have an IQ in the very low single digits or you just don't care."

Excellent point.


35 posted on 09/06/2006 7:46:51 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"...Why didn't anyone tell me? What have I been missing out on??"
You need to apply for, and get, a coupon book. Mine is still in the mail, though.
36 posted on 09/06/2006 7:46:58 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Pharmboy

I'm still waiting on my "white" check, just as Chris Rock is waiting on his OJ check.


37 posted on 09/06/2006 7:47:55 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Pharmboy

We're White Guys
We don't take no crap
When we deliver our
White Rap!


38 posted on 09/06/2006 7:49:25 AM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: ClearCase_guy
What have I been missing out on??

We can't tell you. We got a report that you were observed listening to a hip-hop station at approximately 9:30 a.m. on Feb. 27, 1997.

On that basis, the report concludes that you're not white enough.

39 posted on 09/06/2006 7:49:38 AM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Didn't you know???

You're rich! Just go sign up over there and you're in [after you pass our little skin test...].

[geez...this is about the numbest thing in a while]


40 posted on 09/06/2006 7:50:36 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: .cnI redruM
I must have forgot it in my truck that got jacked a couple of years ago. I guess it's my "privilege" to provide you with those basic necessities in life. Enjoy a Jack on the rocks on me. Thanks for the privilege!!

SZ
41 posted on 09/06/2006 7:50:40 AM PDT by SZonian (Fighting Caliphobia one detractor at a time)
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To: absolootezer0
most minorities keep themselves down.

Did you mean that most minorities who are down are keeping themselves down?

42 posted on 09/06/2006 7:53:41 AM PDT by Shade2
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To: Locomotive Breath
Or could it be white cultural values? Like valuing education, a work ethic, and long-term goal seeking. Monogomy, reflex obedience of law, patriotism, teamwork, acknowledgement of ones betters, respect for teachers, preference for problem resolution via dialog, disinclination to violence, community standards of morality, marriage before pregnancy, cultural prohibition on teen motherhood, dislike of gangs, and of course, teaching kids to swim.
43 posted on 09/06/2006 7:53:49 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Pharmboy
1) group rights

2) proportional representation

3) protected classes

I've met people who talk about these things as if there is no debate about the rightness or wrongness of them.

44 posted on 09/06/2006 7:55:29 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Pharmboy

This goes beyond "playing the Race card."

Now the universtiy gets to "play the Race study."

"It's part of a study!! Whitey is racist!!!"


45 posted on 09/06/2006 7:56:11 AM PDT by subterfuge (If Liberals hated terrorists like they hate Bush the war would be over by now)
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To: SZonian

Yeah, it's a real shame I missed out on "The Whiteness Survey." They could write a book about the results entitled "The Rice Papers."


46 posted on 09/06/2006 7:57:39 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (The investigation was a hoax. Fitz should be brought up on charges.)
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To: RobbyS

Exactly. What I suspect was ignored is that southerners and conservatives are more likely to see the things that are askew, as does Bill Cosby, for example. But the "educated" are less likely to have anything but the Bravo Sierra liberal view that has been spoon fed to them: institutional racism has kept non-whites down and we should feel bad about ourselves for it, provide exclusive advantages to non-whites because of it, and we need to pay reparations.


47 posted on 09/06/2006 7:58:29 AM PDT by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: stainlessbanner
Southerners and social conservatives place more emphasis on their racial identity

Pish-tosh.

48 posted on 09/06/2006 7:59:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of a horde: it's not just an adventure - it's a job!)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Do white people get to complain about "yellow privilege"?

Heard a WSJ reporter Dan Golden (that's GOLDEN not Goldin) promoting a book, "The Price of Admission...".

Asians have to get a 1600 (at the time) on their SATs to be admitted to the "elite" schools. The ones
that get screwed are white males and very-smart-but-not-quite-perfect Asians.

Females have Title IX...

49 posted on 09/06/2006 8:01:06 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: .cnI redruM

My company wouldn't even let me play with their recent "Diversity Maturity Survey". I guess whiteys weren't invited, because I haven't found any other whiteys here who took it.

SZ


50 posted on 09/06/2006 8:04:02 AM PDT by SZonian (Fighting Caliphobia one detractor at a time)
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