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New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks
CBC News ^ | September 7, 2006 |

Posted on 09/07/2006 8:31:19 AM PDT by jmc1969

A majority of Canadians believe U.S. foreign policy was one of the root causes that led to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, and Quebecers are quicker to criticize the U.S. administration for its international actions than other Canadians, a recent poll suggests.

Those conclusions are found in a newly released poll conducted by Léger Marketing for the Association for Canadian Studies.

The poll suggests that 77 per cent of Quebecers polled primarily blame American foreign policy for the Sept. 11 attacks. The results suggest 57 per cent in Ontario hold a similar view.

Canadian opinions have hardened against the United States and its role on the world stage, said Jack Jedwab, executive director of the Association for Canadian Studies. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have contributed to a change of heart among people, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americahaters; blamethemedia; bushhaters; canadatardation; canadawho; canuckistan; coldfreezesbrain; effthefrenchies; fifthanniversary; frenchtraitors; frogs; notworthyofmention
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To: fanfan

LOL. You sound, well, alot like us.


201 posted on 09/20/2006 5:54:22 PM PDT by Bahbah (Shalit, Goldwasser and Regev, we are praying for you)
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To: Squawk 8888; Bahbah
LOL!

IIFC, the army boot tease is an old one, from before women served in the armed forces, hence the insult.

Now it's all "Yo Momma" jokes.
202 posted on 09/20/2006 5:58:36 PM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Looks like the CBC is doing its part in stupefying the Canadians people. With ignorance there is a price to pay.
203 posted on 09/20/2006 5:59:22 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Bahbah
We need not let our common cause and friendship be disrupted by those who would disrupt everything that ties our two countries together.

Agreed... Those who do try to disrupt that bond are doing the work of our common enemy.

204 posted on 09/20/2006 6:00:31 PM PDT by CaptainCanada (Citizenship which costs nothing is worth nothing..........................................)
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To: jmc1969

What do you expect from french canadians? They are frogs at heart. End of story.


205 posted on 09/20/2006 6:02:09 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty; GMMAC; Fair Go; Squawk 8888; Bahbah
Yo mama so stupid it took her 2 hours to watch 60 minutes

Yo mama so stupid when she saw the NC-17 (under 17 not admitted) sign, she went home and got 16 friends

Yo mama so stupid when your dad said it was chilly outside, she ran outside with a spoon

Yo mama so stupid she told everyone that she was "illegitimate" because she couldn't read

Yo mama so stupid that she puts lipstick on her head just to make-up her mind

Yo mama has so much hair on her upper lip, she braids it.

Yo mama has so many teeth missing, it looks like her tongue is in jail.
206 posted on 09/20/2006 6:04:17 PM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: Bahbah; Springman
LOL. You sound, well, alot like us.

Only sillier.

;-D

207 posted on 09/20/2006 6:06:10 PM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: fanfan; Bahbah
Your mother wears Army boots

That is a REAL old insult which I believe dates back to around the 1930's or 40's, the insult is that it suggests that the mother of the insultee in question had (in latter day terms now) much more testosterone than estrogen, i.e., not very feminine, a brute, a bore, no class, probably had a mustache, smelled bad from lack of deodorant, in other words "your mother was Helen Thomas before anybody knew about Helen Thomas", LOL!
208 posted on 09/20/2006 6:07:39 PM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty; CaptainCanada; Fair Go; Squawk 8888; Bahbah; fanfan
To make it real simple, chose your reality:

New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks

OR

Canadian-led offensive may have killed 1,500 Taliban fighters

209 posted on 09/20/2006 6:18:19 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: edcoil
Does anyone know what specific policies prior to 2001 we had that canadians say caused the attacks?

We elected Bush instead of Gore?
We helped the Mooslums in Kosovo by bombing the Serbs?
We helped the Mooslums in Bosnia get their own jihadi state?

Oh wait... was it the Kyoto treaty?
Was it Whitney Houston?

210 posted on 09/20/2006 6:20:27 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: edcoil

A few years ago, an old friend of mine back in Canada and I got into that discussion. He said it was primarily several things. First was the first Gulf War because the U.S. violated muslim soil by setting up bases in their Holuy Land. Secondly, and more long standing, was all the military and economic support Israel gets from the U.S. He actually beielved that if the U.S. were to cut relations with Israel, then Israel could not withstand attacks from it's arab neighbors and would be eliminated, thereby bringing lasting peace to the middle east. Support for Israel is what makes muslims hate America. And then there was the support of the Shah in Iran, a brutal dictator, who was overthrown by the popular will of the people and the U.S> then supported Iraq against Iran (i.e. a brutal dictator against people who were now free from tyranny). And if a nation wants muslim law, the U.S. should not be upset because it was what the people there want. The guy has gonme from liberal to loony left and we haven't spoken since. It was all teh typical America is ahegemony telling other nations how to live so they have the right to be angry with the U.S.


211 posted on 09/20/2006 7:38:46 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

CBC brainwashing has apparently worked-bash the U.S everyday in the news and it takes it's toll


212 posted on 09/20/2006 7:40:24 PM PDT by ground_fog
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To: Idaho Whacko

Well, don't forget than many Canadians opened their homes to Americans they had never met before when all those flights on 9/11 were grounded so they wouldn't need to stay in hotels or shelters.


213 posted on 09/20/2006 7:41:01 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: fanfan

It is a fact that Canada's lunar left got the idea that the US was responsible for 9/11 from the infamous Ward Churchill. Last I heard Ward Churchill was not a Canadian. Some of them have also watched too many Michael Moore movies.


214 posted on 09/20/2006 7:50:29 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: GMMAC; CommonSense1stOverParty; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; ...

Blaming all Canadians for the sins of their left is akin to saying that all Australians are hardened criminals because the first settlers were convicts. This is the logic of fascism.


215 posted on 09/20/2006 7:55:09 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: fanfan; Bahbah
Hey or eh, what's this aboot? Y'all talk a lot like us down/up here. And South Park has it wrong, no flapping heads and beady eyes!!!

BTW, this was a good thread to go through, when being home sick. ff and GMMAC have beat up some poor baby seals!!
216 posted on 09/20/2006 7:59:26 PM PDT by Springman
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To: mkjessup

LOL!

Yo mama is Helen Thomas?

Todays version of the insult?

ROFLOL!


217 posted on 09/21/2006 4:19:26 AM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: fanfan
Yo mama is Helen Thomas?

Now THAT is an insult!!!
218 posted on 09/21/2006 5:14:21 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mkjessup; fanfan; Fair Go
If in truth "Yo mama is Helen Thomas" ... yo list of possible paternal candidates is downright disgustin' & frightenin' !!!
219 posted on 09/21/2006 5:26:03 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: doc30
What???????
An "old friend of yours from Canada" turned out to be a Liberal leftie? That's almost unheard of...
Thank God all the Americans I meet in the U.S. are true blue Conservatives...
220 posted on 09/21/2006 8:08:01 AM PDT by CaptainCanada (Citizenship which costs nothing is worth nothing..........................................)
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To: GMMAC; conservative in nyc; Fair Go; fanfan; Scotsman will be Free; doc30

GMMAC,
Okay, let me re-phrase: Oh, I see. I refute your argument & the best you can come up w/ in response it to make accusations against me of being "unduly verbose moronic, vulgar, know-it-all newbie." :\
I'm not going to repeat it in here again. For an answer to your charges of "ALL canadians" & "xenophobic" see my posts where I clearly say otherwise.

conservative in nyc,
I realize & ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED that when given the option of picking more than one choice only 1/3 picked picked an answer other than the islami muzzie terroristic hijacking murderers. Still, IMHO, 1/3 is too much. But when given a choice of picking only one the majority (esp from quebec) picked the USA.

Fair Go,
I didn't start this poll but am only responding to it. And WC was not the 1st one to place the blame as such...he is just one of many w/ him being one of the most visible. I remember on the NIGHT of 9/11 there were already individuals placing such blame.
I'm not going to repeat it in here again. For an answer to your charge of "all canadians" see my posts where I clearly say otherwise.

fanfan,
I'm not going to repeat it in here again...For an answer to your charges of "every canadian" & "all of canada" see my posts where I clearly say otherwise per my "reserve".

I at least agree w/ you on the pali's although I still "reserve the right" previously so reserved for canadians for pali's too.

BTW, stop insulting BATS w/ the term "moon-bats". Bats are actually useful on this Earth environmentally speaking & using that term insults real Bats. I feel the same in re to Weasels...I never refer to frenchies as weasels as some have b/c I actually respect real Weasels & would not insult them so. And I don't refer to the frenchies as "Cheese-Eating-Surrender-Monkeys" for the same reason...it would be an insult to real Monkeys.

I'm sorry that my non-capitalization of canada upsets you /sarc. But I do capitalize the USA, UK, Italy, Poland etc.

Scotsman will be Free,
I know it's common for the "froggie" comments but my poor real Frogs in my pond are SOOOOOOOOO insulted.

doc30,
And many also before & since then opened their homes to give aid & comfort to the deserters from the USA military which in my book Almost makes them as bad as the deserters themselves...which granted the deserters are worse but IMHO, those that aid them in their desertion are wrong too.


221 posted on 09/21/2006 12:35:12 PM PDT by CommonSense1stOverParty (The only thing worse than the enemy are betrayers/collaborators & their excusers.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty; fanfan; GMMAC
As far as I'm concerned, it's CANADIANS on the whole that have alienated themselves from the USA (as reflected poll after poll) not the other way around. Right now & for a while now too, poll after poll I see shows that the MAJORITY of canadians blame us for 9-11 OVER the terrorists & UNTIL I see a FEW polls saying otherwise I will MAINTAIN my dislike of canada but will STILL reserve the right I did above.

Kinda ironic that the 1st part of your handle is "CommonSense1st".
And it's sad to see the shallow level of thinking that goes on these days. I'm afraid that it doesn't bode well for the future of Western civilization.
Where to begin with your ramblings?....
1. You claim not to want to slam all Canadians, yet your words "CANADIANS on the whole" clearly indicate otherwise.
2. You state that "the MAJORITY of canadians blame us for 9-11" which is a lie and fabrication on your part as nowhere does any poll blame Americans for 9/11. Canadians have always differentiated between any Administrations foreign policy and America and the American people (obviously you can't or won't). Poll after poll shows that the vast majority of Canadians love America and the American people even though they may not feel that way about the current U.S. Administration.

But you feel justified to criticize and disrespect the Canadian people (on the whole) and our nation - at a time we are allies and fighting a common enemy.
The only other people I know who hate Canada are our enemies and therefore you have put yourself into their camp.
P.S. My tagline applies to you.

222 posted on 09/21/2006 3:59:24 PM PDT by CaptainCanada (Assalamu Alaykum - may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits...)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty

You are not doing yourself, the US and its allies (including Canada) one favour by the childish and pedantic stunt of spelling the name of a country without a capital.


223 posted on 09/21/2006 4:32:46 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty; CaptainCanada; Fair Go; mkjessup; Springman; doc30; fanfan; Squawk 8888; ..
Notice you've taken some of the more grossly moral relativist stuff off your FR home page.

Surely, it will take more than that to hide your liberal-like Trollish ways & general personae:

Case on point:
Your cowardly & juvenile vilifying & disparaging of America's friends & allies when it's plainly obvious, by definition, they're not about to do the reverse where America is concerned.

The essence of being a liberal:
“The absolute conviction that there is one set of rules for you,
and another, completely different set of rules for everyone else.” ~ Ann Coulter

224 posted on 09/21/2006 5:43:38 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC; CommonSense1stOverParty; CaptainCanada; Fair Go; Springman; doc30; fanfan; Squawk 8888

Well CommonNoSense, I've been lurking and following this thread off and on, and as I see it, the best thing you can do is to scurry back into whatever hole you popped out of, because you're obviously WAY outta your league. You got your clock cleaned real good.

In the Timbits box of life, you didn't even get a crumb.


225 posted on 09/21/2006 5:49:53 PM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: jmc1969

Well then F*ck Canada.


226 posted on 09/21/2006 5:52:52 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts, the Gay State. Once the leader of the American Revolution, now leading its demise.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
I realize & ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED that when given the option of picking more than one choice only 1/3 picked picked an answer other than the islami muzzie terroristic hijacking murderers. Still, IMHO, 1/3 is too much. But when given a choice of picking only one the majority (esp from quebec) picked the USA.

Please read the actual poll before commenting again. That is a mischaracterization of it. At no time were those polled asked to pick whether the 9/11 attacks were "primarily the result of" one of three choices: "a reaction of Islamic fundamentalism against the West", "Israel's actions in the Middle East", OR "U.S. foreign policy". Instead, each question was asked SEPARATELY, as if something could be primarily the result of more than one thing, probably in large part to skew the results toward the scandalous. And, as I said, more Canadians polled thought the 9/11 attacks were primarily the result of a reaction of Islamic fundamentalism (67%) than anything else (63% - U.S. foreign policy; 31% Israel).
227 posted on 09/21/2006 6:03:33 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: mkjessup; GMMAC; CommonSense1stOverParty; CaptainCanada; Fair Go; Springman; doc30; Squawk 8888; ...

Army boots.

228 posted on 09/21/2006 6:16:44 PM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: mkjessup

Here's a box for you, friend.

:-)

They're fresh! Just made!

229 posted on 09/21/2006 6:22:46 PM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: jmc1969
Of course our foreign policy was to blame for 9/11.

The evil forces in the world absolutely hate those who do good because it opposes their agenda...which is Islamic oppression and hatred of Israel.

Doing good in this world earns the contempt of all those who side with evil. Just look at how Bush is hated.

230 posted on 09/21/2006 6:27:13 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: fanfan

Hot damn! Those little rascals are good, even if they are semi-officially classified as "junior fat bombs". LOL


231 posted on 09/21/2006 6:34:41 PM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mkjessup

There's more fat bombs where those came from.
The ones I give you ARE calorie free, BTW!


Have a good night Mike.
:-)


232 posted on 09/21/2006 6:39:57 PM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: edcoil

If we're unwilling or afraid to answer that question, we're doomed into the dustbin of history.

The truth shall set our people free.


233 posted on 09/21/2006 6:44:39 PM PDT by stultorum (In hoc signo vincet.)
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To: mkjessup
In the Timbits box of life, you didn't even get a crumb.

Great tagline material there :-D

234 posted on 09/21/2006 6:58:30 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Pluto's been marginalized! Call the ACLU!)
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To: jmc1969

It's good to see that the Canucks have a school system as strong as ours.


235 posted on 09/21/2006 7:06:51 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Self-loathing, self-destructive, and selfish = commonalities of Leftists and Jihadists. Not Welcome.)
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To: conservative in nyc
Bottom line(s):
Those who seek to divide us are aiding our common enemies.


Neither citizenship nor geographic locale has much, if any, bearing on liberal denial and/or stupidity.

236 posted on 09/21/2006 8:14:03 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: CaptainCanada

The old "your leader sucks, but you are ok" argument. Never mind that we elected him twice. "You aren't dumbshi&s, just him."
You can put that argument up your blow hole.


237 posted on 09/21/2006 9:17:45 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: Squawk 8888
In the Timbits box of life, you didn't even get a crumb.
Great tagline material there :-D


Feel free to adopt it, there are countless taglines roaming the the Al Gore Memorial Information Superhighway, and unless caring Freepers like you and I adopt them and take them into our homes (or at least our FR accounts), the carnage could be incalculable.

Thanks for caring. ;)
238 posted on 09/22/2006 5:13:50 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free; CommonSense1stOverParty; j_tull; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; ...
"You aren't dumbshi&s, just him."

Often, as in the cases of ones based upon race or gender, it's possible to test the validity of a premise by simply reversing it or merely exchanging one of its components for a very similar one.

As example, if a Canadian had sincere long-standing affection for the American people & respect for their decency as a whole, would it be logical or reasonable to totally reverse that view if a minority of Americans somehow managed to elect & then re-elect a promiscuous, morally bankrupt hillbilly sociopath as their President?

After all, in spite of Bill Clinton never receiving anything beyond minority electoral support, it still amounted to a greater plurality than virtually any Liberal government has ever received in Canada. Moreover, this truly vile individual supposedly enjoyed majority popular support at many points throughout his time in Office.

Accordingly, should the Canadian amend his original favorable view of Americans by attributing Clinton's personal degeneracy to them all or instead hold that a people's nobility transcends any manipulation and/or failure of their electoral system which plainly serves to inaccurately reflect their legitimate innate decency?
239 posted on 09/22/2006 5:26:17 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
I like your comments.

You know, there are people around me - smart people who know what critical thinking is all about - that somehow have tried to twist their thinking that the USA is at fault for all of this.

I just keep using the following senario to these people - Is the survivor or a rape supposed to be blamed for wearing nice clothes instead of the rapist who broke the law? Is that what you are telling me when it comes to 9/11? - That has shut everyone of them up so far.

240 posted on 09/22/2006 5:33:58 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
And many also before & since then opened their homes to give aid & comfort to the deserters from the USA military which in my book Almost makes them as bad as the deserters themselves...which granted the deserters are worse but IMHO, those that aid them in their desertion are wrong too.

CommonSense, your post is a perfect illustration of what is stereotypically called the 'Obnoxious American' in places outside the U.S. Canadian policy, domestic and foreign, is independent of the U.S. It is rude and vulgar to expect the resident citizens of other nations to be loyal to a country that is not theirs. And to compare the interrupted travelers of 9/11 to draft dodgers is asinine. By and large, Canadian people have demonstrated their hospitality many times and don't attach strings to it. Can you say the same?

241 posted on 09/22/2006 6:03:04 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: CaptainCanada
the MAJORITY of canadians blame us for 9-11

Dino's first rule of polls: All polls are crap.

You pick up a NY Times and the headline reads, "The MAJORITY of Americans are disapprove of the Bush Administration. Many people predict the Republican party will soon be disbanded".

Then somewhere in the last paragraph on page Z-6, you find out that the poll was conducted at 11:00am on Sunday morning in a shopping mall in Ithaca, NY, and the question actually asked was, "Are you satisfied with the performance of your government?"

242 posted on 09/22/2006 6:05:47 AM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen and member of the Head SnowFlake Committee)
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To: doc30
It's comic. Here we are in a fight for civilization (and in a much-earlier philosophical battle with the statists that will shape our world), and some conservatives think the best strategy is to piss on our friends, regardless to what degree.

And making it even more funny, these people are also likely the same people who complain the most loudly that we (the USA) don't get enough respect when someone or something does not go our way.

243 posted on 09/22/2006 6:08:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GMMAC

I would think, and still do, that a huge number of americans were dumbshi&s for voting for Bill "the swine" Clinton. I have no problem with calling a spade a spade, but the old tactic, just used by Chavez by the way, is that you are ok, but the guy you put in office sucks. I like americans, but President Bush is a jerkoff. Well, Bush won a majority of the popular vote and electoral vote in the last election. Do not patronize me by saying Bush is a fool, but I'm ok. If you think that voting for Bush was stupid, have the balls to say so.


244 posted on 09/22/2006 1:15:02 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: Fair Go; GMMAC; mkjessup; doc30

Fair Go,
That really bugs you doesn't it? Oh, well. Like the extremist terrorists muzzie murdering enemy is really going to use the fact that I don't do the capitalization as a tool against the USA. Hee Hee.

GMMAC & all,
I have NOT changed my FR home pg since I originally created it. I presume GMMAC you're accusing me since you've already referred to my home pg in another post.

I'm real close to accusing you of lying about me but I'm not saying you did YET BUT I very well could say that you did if you continue to accuse me of altering said pg or don't state that it was another that did the changing of their pg.

You can keep calling me a troll if you like, I guess, but no matter how many times you say it it still isn't true. As for your other adjectives in describing me...well I guess you're entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong.

mkjessup,
See last line I said to GMMAC.

doc30,
See last line I said to GMMAC.

When one claims to be a "friend" to another they should not do things against them. Examp, If someone had a "friend" who had a spouse that abandoned them & their kids & wasn't paying child support (even though they had the means to do so) that they agreed to (VOLUNTEERED to) in the divorce settlement...should that someone help hide the runaway spouse in their home & prevent the authorities from getting the runaway spouse to charge them w/ failure to pay child support? And if they did hide them & prevent them from being turned over should the friend & their children still consider the hider their "friend"? Of course not. Even if in the past the hider had helped them in some other manner. The country of canada has been letting USA military personnel that VOLUNTEERED for military service then become deserters stay up there & individual citizens are helping those same deserters financially incl but not ltd to providing housing for them. Also, I wasn't comparing the passengers of the planes on 9-11 to the deserters but was just pointing out that just b/c someone does something good doesn't mean that they always do in all situations.

I'm sure if the events of 9/11 had been reversed btwn the USA & canada we would have done the same w/o discussion of "strings".


245 posted on 09/22/2006 1:48:03 PM PDT by CommonSense1stOverParty (The only thing worse than the enemy are betrayers/collaborators & their excusers.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
"Do not patronize me by saying Bush is a fool, but I'm ok. If you think that voting for Bush was stupid, have the balls to say so."

Excuse me but, other than in post # 222 where one Canadian acknowledgedly "Poll after poll shows that the vast majority of Canadians love America and the American people even though they may not feel that way about the current U.S. Administration.", where's anything even close to Bush-bashing from anyone up here ???

In fact, check my post #175 & you'll find I quoted your President very favorably.

The Bush-bashing came from mouthy newbie, and according to his home page your fellow countryman, "CommonSense1stOverParty" who answered my afore mentioned post in his #178:
"GWB on the whole isn't exactly my favorite person (I disagree w/ him more often than agree w/ him) nor the person I trust/believe the most. So trying to use quotes from him won't help your cause of trying to say that canada was "attacked" in my book."

Given JimRob's know views on Bush-Bashers, I'm somewhat amazed the Admin Mods still haven't punched his Trollish ticket.

Once you've re-checked my previous posts & found I've said nothing whatsoever against President Bush, Americans or America, I trust you'll be man enough to apologize to a fellow Scot for implying otherwise irrespective of his citizenship.
246 posted on 09/22/2006 2:08:33 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: CaptainCanada; conservative in nyc

CaptainCanada,
(1) Since I've not repeated it to you directly & in case you missed it b/c the partial post of mine you quoted didn't show my previous "reserve" (b/c I so previously said the reserve from before the post that you quoted me from) so I'll tell you directly.

"I reserve the right to make individual decisions per canadian citizen"

Now that reserve means that I can & do make what you might call exceptions to the "on the whole". I'm not going to give you a "list" since I don't have one written down any place & I think I don't have to tell you specific names anyway.

(2) 1st, I still maintain that the whole/complete sentence is correct (not a lie). 2nd How do you know what poll's I've seen to make your statement b/c I did say "...poll after poll I see..."? Answer is: You don't. Since you can't know then your allegation of me lying is wrong. 3rd I never said "blame Americans". I've said "blame us" & "blame the USA" which I meant in both cases as blaming the USA in general. 4th I was referring to polls in re to placing blame for 9-11 not any other kinds of poll.

So you are incorrect re your allegations to me b/c I did not lie (notice I said "incorrect" not that you lied which is what you accused me of...even though I could say that you lied about me but I didn't/won't [even though I could & probably should] b/c to do so would be accusing you of purposely/knowingly mistating facts which is what a lie really is).

conservative in nyc,
You keep referring to the word "primarily". Technically, Where, pray tell, did I ever use that word in any of my postings? Answer: Nowhere.

Now granted previously to this post of mine I had never been to the link you provided & I was only posting according to the info I had at the time of ea posting, however, after reading the info at the link I'm still of the opinion that I don't like/agree w/ the opinons of the canadians reflected in the poll results.

As where I didn't use the words "primarily"/"primary" right there on pg 2 & elsewhere repeatedly @ the link it does use the word "primarily". (Which is probably why the CBC link used the word.) Examp of where the link used it - Quote: "A similar share (63%) believe that the Sept. 11 attacks were primarily the result of U.S. Foreign Policy." So I suggest that if you have a problem w/ the word "primarily" & how/when it's used & the corresponding results you take it up w/ the researchers/poll writers/link composers not I. And if you have a problem w/ the way I'm intrepretating the data then you also have a problem w/ the way Claire Hoy intrepretats/views it too. Now I certainly don't agree w/ everything the man says in his life but he has written an article discussing this poll & the other canadian poll about the "9/11 conspiracy" & it's results. http://www.citizen.on.ca/news/2006/0914/columns/036.html

The link clearly uses the words "primarily the result of" in ea area & then they gave them choices of "Strongly Agree", "Somewhat Agree", "Somewhat Disagree" & "Totally Disagree". The results on the question/statment of "The Sept. 11 attacks were primarily the result of U.S. Foreign Policy" was 26% "Strongly Agree" & 37% "Somwhat Agree" resulting in the total of 63% agreeing in some manner which, IMHO, is far too high. Only 11% "Strongly Disagreed" & 13% "Somewhat Disagreed" for a total 24% disagreeing w/ the question/statment which, IMHO, is far too low.

BTW, I did notice there were differentials incl one of 13% (but the link said 12%) & I can't explain that so you'll have to ask them but I do know that no matter who creates/designs poll there is usually some differential. And if you have a problem w/ the acutal responders not making sense btwn the 3 questions/statements I suggest you find them & take it up w/ them.

Check out the result I also found @ the link for the following question/statement:
"Tell me if you STRONGLY AGREE, SOMEWHAT AGREE, SOMEWHAT DISAGREE or STRONGLY DISAGREE with the following statements? Canada needs to be more sensitive to the concerns expressed by members of terrorist organizations in the Middle East."

The results were: 15% "Strongly Agree" & 34% "Somewhat Agree" resulting in a total of 49% agree in some manner. 15/34/49%!!! What the (fill-in)?!?! "Sensitive"?!?! Does that mean that some or all of those respondants think canadians should find out their concerns & be "sensitive" about them so they can be capitulated to in some manner? I Hope not. I certainly hope that @ least some of them only mean they think canada just needs to be informed of what terrorist orgs are "concerned" about in order to use that info against the enemy in some manner...as in "Know thy enemy". Now, on the other side the results were 19% St. Da../23% So. Da./42% Da. in some manner w/ the question/statement & a differential of 9%.

Now in re to my post part that said: "But when given a choice of picking only one the majority (esp from quebec) picked the USA.". You need to talk to the cbc staff & other canadian media staff b/c that is what they said, no I didn't find that in the link you gave but maybe they got it somewhere else you'd have to as them.


247 posted on 09/22/2006 2:12:07 PM PDT by CommonSense1stOverParty (The only thing worse than the enemy are betrayers/collaborators & their excusers.)
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
Notice the majority of your fellow Americans on this thread, many of whom are long-time FReepers, apparently consider your expressed views to be dead wrong?

Would this indicate they're less patriotic and/or less intelligent than you or is it more likely there's some other explanation?
248 posted on 09/22/2006 2:23:48 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

GMMAC,
Stop calling me a troll for I AM NOT a troll. What I see as your incessant name calling of me & other false accusations of me, a fellow poster - newbie or not, is growing tiresome. I've gotten accused by another of being childish, well IMHO, the continued name calling of a fellow poster is what is childish.

And I am not going to answer any more of your questions/accusations unless/until you either say that you WEREN'T accusing ME of changing my FR home pg (in an attempt to "hide" something) or if you WERE accusing me... until you retract the incorrect statement of accusing me of changing my FR home pg. It is one thing to disagree w/ my opinions/conclusions/analysis of things BUT quite another to make completely inaccurate statements about what I have/have not done esp when it insinuates deception on my part.


249 posted on 09/22/2006 2:45:22 PM PDT by CommonSense1stOverParty
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To: CommonSense1stOverParty
Gratuitous insults (e.g. childishly making a point of refusing to capitalize Canada) directed toward a long-time ally & friend of America coupled with your (to put it mildly) abivlelence with respect to President Bush are quite plainly Trollish.

I note you have no answer to the reality of your expressed views being so clearly out-of-step with the views of most of your fellow countrymen on this thread.
250 posted on 09/22/2006 3:17:00 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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