Live Thread of The Path to 911 ABC Part II (7 or 7:20pm AZ, AK 8pm CA, OR, WA) West Coast Version

ABC News | 9/11/2006 | ABC Television

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

I didn't know if there was a west coast version of this thread. It didn't make sense to post on thread for the show that was almost over on the East Coast.

[TexasPatriot8]

Big time. The thing that most annoyed me about the Commissions "grading" a couple years ago, was how they just made all these recommendations but never had ANY KIND of feasability studies to see how the government could most effectively and quickly do it, or how much it would cost, or anything. Just made a bunch of pie in the sky recommendations and didn't say how to do it, or how to pay for it, just "here President Bush, do these things, don't ask us how, or what it will cost or how to pay for it, just do it, or we'll give you an 'F' on your report card and the American people will be upset at you for not doing what we said". That is so arrogant and so typical of liberals. Say what they think should be done but not how or anything. Any moron can say what they think should be done, but it takes some intellect to decide HOW qand have a plan to get from here to there. VERY annoying.

As much as the media and liberal Democrats whine and moan like old woman about the spending for the war and the deficit and the tax cuts reducing revenue back then (before record revenues started coming in because of the tax cuts) can you imagine what they'd of done to Bush in the press if he's of immediately put to Congress and expected them to pass $600 or more BILLION in spending to put into place 100% of the 9-11 commission findings? That would have tripled the deficit. I can only imagine how they'd of skewered him.

That little closing at the end of "Pathway" p****d me off too. "If our recommendations aren't followed, and there's another attack, what excuses will there be then?" Arrogant little turds. The so called conservatives on the Commission did a p**s poor job of not allowing the liberals on the commission not control the tenor of their language. If the people on the commission were such genius's, why weren't any of them warning about 9-11 before it happened I wonder? Ledgends in their own minds just like Richard Clarke.

[TexasPatriot8]

I agree completely. The movie isn't "enjoyable" of course because the subject is so horrible and so sad, but it was well done. It's ironic but the only parts I really didn't like was the text at the end showing things the Commission "graded" and their final "warning", because it's so patronizing and arrogant. That and the incorrect portrayal of Richard Clarke as some kind of smarter then everyone character. That was fiction. He could be the only person in the room and STILL not be the smartest person in the room. He's WAY too impressed with himself. The actor certainly did capture what Clarke thinks of himself. He was neither that smart, or that important. The most accurate thing that Clarke said in "Pathway" was that line about how he wanted to focus on cyberterrorism, which was so stupid because that wouldn't have prevented any part of 9-11, and that's the truth that Clarke thought that cyberterrorism was going to be how to fight the terrorists. That was accurate and Clarke was obsessed with it, and he ws WAY off base on that.

Joe Wilson is the new Richard Clarke. Because Bush didn't just bow and scrape in their presence, and worship them for their supposed superior intellect, they both did all they could to destroy him. Ego manics both.

[TexasPatriot8]

Big time. The more America does things like Israel, the better we'd all be. Totally right.

[TexasPatriot8]

Holy crap yes!!! Man what was that guys name??? Ellis? Totally accurate!!! :) The whole character performance just ran through my head reading your post. Smug, arrogant, egotistical, obnoxious, condescending, pompous, overly impressed with themselves, jerks with coke habits. :) Democrats are a bunch of "Die Hard" Ellis's! :) Brilliant. Heheheheh

[parousia]

Well, ABC may have deleted the exculpatory parts of the story to placate the dems and Clintonistas, but could anyone not see it was the continual backing away from opportunities to take out OBl because of playing the 'law and order' game or CYA that allowed AlQueda to move ahead unimpeded with attacks on U.S. and our embassies and military abroad?
Condi looked weak, but if her 'demoting' Richard Clark was true, you can see why he turned on Bush administration, blaming them for failure to protect our citizens. He came out the hero, along with John O'Neil and Masood. That didn't ring true.
In spite of artistic license, it was a good retrospective on the failures of our huge govt bureaucracy, and that message should stick in the craw of all decision makers in Washington. Viewers needed this dose of reality about our vulnerability. But more than half of them opted to watch football Monday night instead.

[BigSkyFreeper]

If the people on the commission were such genius's, why weren't any of them warning about 9-11 before it happened I wonder? Ledgends in their own minds just like Richard Clarke.

I wouldn't fault the 9/11 Commission for 9/11. That fault lays at the feet of the intelligence community under Clinton for failing to heed any red flags that popped up along the way. The way I saw Clarke portrayed, he basically appeared to me like he couldn't even be a shift manager at McDonald's without botching something up. Even with all that editing ABC did, Clarke still looked like a buffoon.

[Enterprise]

I don't think the Wall was actually mentioned, but rather, it was portrayed as agencies not sharing information. The Wall should have been prominently mentioned!

[sirchtruth]

Condi looked weak, but if her 'demoting' Richard Clark was true, you can see why he turned on Bush administration, blaming them for failure to protect our citizens. He came out the hero, along with John O'Neil and Masood. That didn't ring true.

It was unbelievable. They made Cheney/Rice look like deer caught in the headlights and Clark as the no nonsense take charge of the situation guy.

I can beleive Clark probably TRIED to take charge, but you can't tell me Rice and Cheney just sat there like bumps on a log.

[A'elian' nation]

My wife says I'm a cantankerous,clueless, dense, arrogant, indecisive, and obtuse blowhard.

I reply, "I know, darling, that's why I know I'm gonna get that job with the state department."
Maybe that CIA director job is still open, hmmmmmmm?

[EBH]

Funny, I didn't get that impression from them posting the report card stuff. My initial 'gut' reaction was OMG, but then as the catagories were posted, my thoughts turned to how the democrats have blocked the implementation of the recommendations and how the MSM has essentially obstructed Americans from understanding the 'why' of the needed changes.

The very recommendations being demanded are also being called potential 'rights violations'by the democrats and MSM. Talk about a Wall?

[ballplayer]

Well my mark for the 9-11 Commission is a flat F! Where is Able Danger mentioned? What about the testimony of Gorelick?
Did anyone hear anything about the WALL in the movie? No you just saw a scene of CIA people telling O Neill they could not tell him who the people in the photograph were,it gave you the impression that they just felt like it .Actually with Gorelicks Wall memo ,they had been threatened with their careers if they shared info with the FBI! None of this was mentioned .
Well the REASON for the WAll is a subject for a movie of its own and I think that Clinton knows all about that and anything that goes anywhere near that subject makes him more nervous than the Monica diversion ever did

[LibLieSlayer]

TAC asked me to repost this here. I posted it in the other thread also.

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I feel similarly. Here are my thoughts after some reflection.

Everything that I have read and learned about klintoon and terror was true. It goes much further than I had imagined... he was far worse than realized, especially in the "political payback" appointees he put in control of our Nation. hildebeast hand picking her leftist, socialist, defeatest panty-waisted, anarchist, hippie, moonbat friends and political associates. She even caused her one time lover to be found shot dead on a park bench.

We are in a battle with satan for Earth. This is it people... this is the time and place of the classic battle of GOOD over evil. We must stand united, determined, and committed in doing whatever it takes to win... I mean WHATEVER IT TAKES.

President Bush, if he spent all of the money in the world, could not have purchased a better time slot for his speech. It was like Nitrous Oxide Injection for “Path to 9/11”. It heightened the experience of “Path to 9/11”, which was a movie already equipped with warp drive propulsion.

I am mad as hell, hurting deeply for fallen Heroes and fellow citizens, and grateful that GOD has given us the leadership of President George W. Bush.

Something has happened to me over the last two nights. I have always been committed to whatever it takes. Tonight leaves me with a resolve that comes from a place so deep, that in my 51 years I have never before known such a feeling.

We must each do all that we can to educate those around our daily lives… educate them as to the danger we face… enlist them into the fight for their very way of life, even for their very existence. We must win the November Battle at the ballot box, as surely as we must defeat the evil that wants every American dead or converted to the perverted.

No more PC crap. No more walls. No more BS like we saw dramatized tonight. We will always have 35 to 38% of the country aligned with our enemies. They hate us as much as the fascist murderers do, and are fighting us as hard as al qaeda and with the same goal in mind, which is to bring down our government and economy. We must reach out to those that WILL listen. We need to bolster each other as we fight WWIII. bin laden calls it WWIII, should we not recognize it as such?

I will start tomorrow, writing every pubbie Rep and Senator that I think will listen. I will thank every uniformed American that I see (I already do this). I will campaign hard, and donate as much as possible to defeat dimslamic party candidates. We the people cannot sit idly by while America’s finest fight islamofascists in every sh!t-hole radical islamic sanctuary around the world. We cannot let our President and his government fight fascism alone, while having to fight just as evil an domestic enemy… the rats.

I hate them. I despise them... BOTH! I want the rats eradicated from America. That will not happen, but we can keep our boot on their neck by working harder and smarter than they are capable of doing. We are the frontline soldiers in America. We owe it to our Military Heroes that fight our enemy as hard as they do. We must fight, and as Conservatives we are duty bound to do so. We must defeat defeatism and appeasement. If “WE” do not do it, who will? Our Nation crys out... I am answering the call... I pray that I am not alone.

LLS

[Morgan in Denver]

I totally agree the Wall was built to protect Clinton. Protecting Clinton was also why all the US Attorney's were fired and replaced early in his administration. He had to get rid of the people who were investigating him over Whitewater and other things.

[Donna Lee Nardo]

Yes, it was a good, solemn program.

[Faithfull]

Agree with your assessment of the show. I thought the first half was a good history of Islam terrorists lesson, the second half was the Dick Clark show. It made VP Cheney and Condi look weak- and the ending where it repeated the grades the 911 commission gave the government (i.e. Bush) was their intended dig at the Bush administration. I felt suckered in after watching part 2 and will not recommend anyone see it if it appears on DVD.

[veronica]

I think Condi is weak, so I can't gripe about that. I think overall however, it was very good.

[chgomac]

a CIA operative.....

who was the brave CIA man who was our first KIA in Afghanistan? He was trying to question that traitor John ??? when the prison inmates killed him.

Mike Spann? I'm ashamed that this old mind doesn'r remember better.

[jackv]

I thought this thing was really good. The last hour or so was like being there.
I was pleased that the Bush administration was not badly portrayed, maybe a bit new on the job, but not bad or dumb or stupid or preoccupied like the bj administration.
Clarke came off looking rather good, can't figure out why he'd be complaining.
The worst being Tenent.

[montag813]

I think Condi is weak, so I can't gripe about that. I think overall however, it was very good.

Agreed, Condi is a lightweight, totally out of her league. As with Halfbright, I don't think academics make good decision-makers. I hope the next President makes General Honore Secretary of State or Defense. And I want him to swear when reporters ask rude questions.

[mwl1]

Very pleased overall, notwithstanding the few digs at the Bush Administration and the lousy job they did with the Gorelick Wall.