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Princeton Professor Singer: And I repeat, I would kill Disabled Infants
LifeSiteNews | 9/12/06 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 09/12/2006 4:28:08 PM PDT by wagglebee

PRINCETON, September 12, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a question and answer article published in the UK's Independent today, controversial Princeton University Professor Peter Singer repeats his notorious stand on the killing of disabled newborns.  Asked, "Would you kill a disabled baby?", Singer responded, "Yes, if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole."

People who oppose Singer's position have maintained that Singer is the logical extension of the culture of death and that society will eventually embrace his stance if there is no shift to the culture of life.  Alex Scadenberg, Executive Director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition commented to LifeSiteNews.com about Singer saying, "at least he's consistent."  In fact, Singer himself uses the abortion debate to justify his murderous stance. 

"Many people find this shocking," continued Singer, "yet they support a woman's right to have an abortion."  Concluding his point, Singer said, "One point on which I agree with opponents of abortion is that, from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby."

Singer's position, similar to the culture of death, is that there is no inherent dignity in man, there is no sanctity of human life.  Man deserves no special treatment since, Singer rejects that man was created in the image and likeness of God. 

Asked about the choice between killing 10 cows or a human, Singer said he would kill the cows, but not because they were of less value, but because humans would mourn the death more.  "I've written that it is much worse to kill a being who is aware of having a past and a future, and who plans for the future. Normal humans have such plans, but I don't think cows do. And normal humans have family and friends who will grieve their death in ways more vivid and longer-lasting than the way cows may care about other cows. (Although a cow certainly misses her calf for a long time, if the calf is taken from her. That's why there is a major ethical problem with dairy products.) If I really had to make such a decision, I'd kill the cows."

Schadenberg commented saying, "Once again Singer is making distinctions between human beings he would consider normal and those he would consider not normal, thus he is deciding who is a person and who is not.  Non-persons are allowed to be killed."  The Euthanasia Prevention Coalition leader concluded, "even though Singer does not like to be compared to the Nazi's especially since his parents died in the Holocaust, his philosophical position is identical to what the Nazi's proposed.  The Euthanasia Prevention Coalition is primarily concerned for the lives of people with disabilities and other vulnerable persons."

See the whole interview:
http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1466409...



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; babykillers; campuscommies; campusradicals; cultureofdeath; deathcult; eugenics; moralabsolutes; nazis; petersinger; prolife; selfloathingjews
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To: wagglebee

Wonder if he is related to Hilter...for sure he would have had a principal position in the Nazi party.....


101 posted on 09/13/2006 7:59:42 AM PDT by thinking
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To: wagglebee
I believe this is the gentleman whose mother has Alzheimer's and he did want her terminated. When asked if this was inconsistent with his preachings, he agreed that it was.
102 posted on 09/13/2006 8:09:47 AM PDT by DOGEY
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To: wagglebee
>> I said "in a couple of decades."

Mmm, yes, it has been that long since they were teens :-) Fortunately, I was kidding. I do hear from them now and then. Some of them.

:-)

103 posted on 09/13/2006 8:23:36 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: trisham
>> Not surprising, since he clearly loathes people.

I think he loathes God. I think they're all in rebellion in one way or another, loathing God for getting in their way, or for not handing them paradise on a platter, or even for not being there. They try to usurp God's throne with earthly power, but it always crumbles.

Despising God's creatures is derivative. They hate their fellow humans, for we are all children of God. They hate life itself, God's gift to each of us. They are the historical pessimists. Their view of life is painted in shades of black. They peck at everything good, for it is a reflection of God and His creation. We see them do this every day.

They never learn that, when you make war on God, you lose.

104 posted on 09/13/2006 8:43:38 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit
Despising God's creatures is derivative.

*************

Excellent point. You're right.

105 posted on 09/13/2006 8:44:54 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
You are a fast reader!

Thanks very much.

106 posted on 09/13/2006 8:46:37 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: wagglebee; Disturbin; Michael Goldsberry
Singer had a number of relatives who died in the Holocaust, but his parents escaped from Austria in the late 30's and emigrated to Australia.

Singer's mother had Alzheimer's disease, which rendered her, in Singer's system, a "nonperson". He is quoted as saing, "I think this has made me see how the issues of someone with these kinds of problems are really very difficult" (Singer's mother died about 5 years ago.)

There may be hope for his conversion; lket's abandon him. I'm going to close my eyes and fold my hands on the keyboard right now. Let's pray.

107 posted on 09/13/2006 9:45:47 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I am somewhat confused, Singer has stated that his mother had Alzheimer's, but he has also said that his parents were killed in Auschwitz. Now obviously these can't both be true -- but is it possible that neither is true? Maybe Singer just made the whole thing up, thinking that people wouldn't identify him as the Nazi he is because his parents were killed at Auschwitz and then trying to get sympathy for his Nazi beliefs by saying that his mother's Alzheimer's made her a "nonperson."


108 posted on 09/13/2006 9:50:55 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

His parents immigrated from Vienna to Melbourne in 1938; that's easy to verify. He must have said that his grandparents and other relatives died in the Holocaust.


109 posted on 09/13/2006 9:52:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I thought I remembered seeing where he claimed his parents died in the Holocaust. In any event, Singer's beliefs are totally consistent with those of Hitler, Eichmann and Mengele, to call him a human being is a real stretch as far as I am concerned.


110 posted on 09/13/2006 9:56:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
...even though Singer does not like to be compared to the Nazi's especially since his parents died in the Holocaust, his philosophical position is identical to what the Nazi's proposed.

That's the bottom line: Singer is, in fact, vigorously supporting one of the main tenets of Naziism.

111 posted on 09/13/2006 9:56:42 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: wagglebee

As a Father of a boy with hemophilia, a boy who is three merit badges short of Eagle Scout, I think that Professor Singer is morally disabled and should be dealt with accordingly.


112 posted on 09/13/2006 10:09:28 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (ˇSalga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Special Place in hell Ping.

Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

113 posted on 09/13/2006 11:39:57 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: wagglebee
"Many people find this shocking," continued Singer, "yet they support a woman's right to have an abortion." Concluding his point, Singer said, "One point on which I agree with opponents of abortion is that, from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby."

He gets that one right at least, and he's honest about it. More than can be said for most abortion proponents.

114 posted on 09/13/2006 12:35:42 PM PDT by agrace
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To: cpforlife.org

Groningen Protocol in Action

Didn't everyone see the blankness during Schiavo?

If this country could starve a woman to death for a week and a half... to allow that, we're finished to say the least.

Don't you notice how a certain party attracts to death and terrorists that kill, in spite of their "hate of religion".
Tells me all I need to know.


115 posted on 09/13/2006 12:41:02 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Libs, your choice... the .380 or Glock? This is not a game, and I have bail money.)
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To: NicknamedBob; JCEccles; wagglebee; kellynch

"Singer is a supreme Darwinist. This kind of horrific thinking is its natural ourworking."


"Wow. That's quite a leap."

Agreed. Just sweep up all the people with whom you disagree, and paint them with the same broad brush.
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It's not a leap since Singer himself has written "A Darwinian Left" in which he advocates a leftist Darwinist approach to human development...and ummm death.


116 posted on 09/13/2006 12:42:36 PM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: wagglebee; All

Michigan Bill Would Require Cervical Cancer Vaccine for Girls
http://www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=295672


117 posted on 09/13/2006 12:53:58 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Libs, your choice... the .380 or Glock? This is not a game, and I have bail money.)
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To: wagglebee

This man and his movement have influenced medical care here in the US. He has just one master.


118 posted on 09/13/2006 1:00:20 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: eleni121

I didn't think it was a leap at all. Though I would consider Singer to be a Utilitarianist.


119 posted on 09/13/2006 1:01:18 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: AliVeritas

It's even more "heated" over here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1700554/posts


120 posted on 09/13/2006 1:04:28 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: AliVeritas

Yes, but who is Michigan Bill?


121 posted on 09/13/2006 1:14:11 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

the only good thing about princeton is that they have an active pro-life club.


122 posted on 09/13/2006 1:39:07 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, geese, algae)
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To: gridlock

It is not good that he does it in an upfront manner, because he stands on the prestige and mystique of Princeton University, and thousands are swayed by this. He should shut up about it.


123 posted on 09/13/2006 1:41:13 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: eleni121
Here is a deep, intelligent review of Singer's essay, which concludes that Singer's efforts to sanitize Darwin suffer a "fatal incoherence." But let the reviewer, Nancy Pearcey, tell you why.

Review: Peter Singer's "A Darwinian Left: Politics, Evolution, and Cooperation"

124 posted on 09/13/2006 1:47:55 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: Coleus

I know someone who is so proud that her son is starting his Ph.D. in philosophy at Princeton. She had never heard of Peter Singer.


125 posted on 09/13/2006 1:49:00 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

She had never heard of Peter Singer >>

I guess she'll find out soon. You may want to click on his keyword and send it on to her.


126 posted on 09/13/2006 1:57:43 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, geese, algae)
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To: AliVeritas
Didn't everyone see the blankness during Schiavo? If this country could starve a woman to death for a week and a half... to allow that, we're finished to say the least.
115 posted on 09/13/2006 3:41:02 PM EDT by AliVeritas

A society which no longer defends innocent life is finished as a civilization and fades into barbarism and sadistic tyranny. Along with those who provide the rationale for such genocide. It's a damnable legacy to leave behind for subsequent generations.

127 posted on 09/13/2006 1:59:55 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: eleni121; JCEccles; wagglebee; kellynch; T'wit

I'm only saying that just because Singer describes himself as a Darwinist, if he does, that doesn't mean that any large portion of Darwinists, evolutionists, or fence-sitters would be in agreement with him or his conclusions.

I believe that evolution occurs. I believe that countless examples in our everyday lives show it in action. But just because I can see the cold hand of Nature in inter-species rivalries doesn't mean that I think people should be subjected to the same ruthless Procrustean ordeal.

We are a cooperative species, helping each other when we can, knowing that eventually, we too will be in need. Singer likes to think of himself as the rugged individualist, the frontiersman, needing and asking nothing of society.

He is heading for a brutal fall.


128 posted on 09/13/2006 3:40:24 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (If the "enemy of your enemy" is Ghengis Khan, Ghengis Khan is not your friend.)
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To: Prime Choice

Resistance is futile, and so is your life.

129 posted on 09/13/2006 5:04:26 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Ţ)
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To: wagglebee
Pro-life, pro choice matters:

I am neither of the above. I have pro and against views for both approach. A few, not in order of importance, just randomly:

1. As a surgical resident I was rotating through ICU for 3 months. It was an unimaginable horror. Many people were literally tortured, before their body resisted any further "treatment" and finally died. Some of course recovered, but we doctors pretty much knew ahead of time, who has a realistic chance and who doesn't, but under the current views, we must tried even those who we knew has no realistic chance to survive. Eventually I exited surgery and became an ob-gyn doctor (deals mostly with new life, not death), but that was my selfish and personal solution. The only time when I saw a sparkle of true humanity, when they called code in the emergency room, a 92 year old man was brought in, in cardiac arrest, the medical history contained inoperable terminal cancer with metastasis all over his body, and the code team tried to resuscitate him. Finally the team leader arrived and called off the code saying "you people are insane" (referring to the rest of the team). He was right.

2. Do we really know when life begins?

In single cell life forms there is meosis and mitosis, then two cells become. There is no literal end of life or beginning of life. Ever. One life splits into two lives, and while one life ends somewhere along the line, the other cell can live on, and split further. Which is the original? Which is the "later product", there is no way to tell, thus it would be fair to conclude that among single cell beings there is no "beginning of life" as such.

In higher level life forms the same thing happens, only "deferred" in space and time. The sperm, the egg, is halving the genetic product (meiosis equivalent), which fuses later (mitosis equivalent). Neither is exactly the same, but the concept is either the same, or very very similar. In which case there is no "beginning of life" even in higher level beings. The sperm and the egg, is life the same way the single cell beings are life at the stage of meosis.

Before someone would protest, that "yes, but in higher level beings after the fusion of the genetic material there will be one final individual (opposed to two), it is not exactly true either, since identical twinning is possible (splitting of the zygote, or even the conceptus after several cell divisions. Therefore, not even the zygote is an absolute single individual per se.

What did I want to say with all this? That mankind haven't reached the knowledge yet, to know where and when life begins, if there is such a thing at all, and life is not continuous, as it is with single cell beings.

Many other thoughts, but let see whether anyone will respond to this one first.

Gabor
130 posted on 09/15/2006 3:51:32 AM PDT by Casio
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To: Prime Choice

That's hilarious :)


131 posted on 10/16/2006 10:16:14 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The end times are neigh! Repent and die!)
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To: Casio
In which case there is no "beginning of life" even in higher level beings. The sperm and the egg, is life the same way the single cell beings are life at the stage of meosis.

This is nonsense and a testament to the poor state of the academy in todays America. Genetics tells us quite clearly that new human life, a diploid organism, is extant after fertilization completes.

The twinning argument is supercilious nonsense that goes like this. Because the zygote may split into two distinct human organisms it is OK to kill that human life. IOW's two for the price of one justifies killing human life.

The science of genetics is clear, the problem is that college level developmental biology books are rife with ideology stepping all over the science. Your tome is a prime example of that.

132 posted on 10/16/2006 10:34:15 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: flynmudd

Sanctification of human life is an asset to society only as long there is agreement between its members to promote and maintain order, war allows for neglect of the principle as does want and famine.

Singer's biggest "sin" is equating perfection with utility.


133 posted on 10/16/2006 10:40:48 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: wagglebee
If disabled professors are fair game as well, I'm willing to listen.
134 posted on 10/16/2006 10:45:19 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: VOA

"Peter Singer's mother has Alzheimer's."

I can understand why.


135 posted on 10/16/2006 10:46:41 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: wagglebee
Singer = the Left's version of Fred Phelps.

Oops, I forgot, Phelps is there guy too.
136 posted on 10/16/2006 10:48:04 AM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Timedrifter
I agree.

He's ethically consistent. There is no difference between a baby one week before birth and a baby one week after birth.

However, as the mother of a handicapped child, I find hiim morally repugnant. I certainly wouldn't mourn his death. He's not much more than a cow to me.

137 posted on 10/16/2006 10:49:27 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Texas_shutterbug
CRAP! That should mean that I find SANGER morally repugnant. Not my child!

Despite the bad sentence structure, I hope that was understood.

138 posted on 10/16/2006 10:50:25 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Texas_shutterbug
CRAP! That should mean that I find SANGER morally repugnant. Not my child!

Despite the bad sentence structure, I hope that was understood.

139 posted on 10/16/2006 10:50:31 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: wagglebee

A natural conclusion based on the leftist-feminazi obsession with killing their babies.


140 posted on 10/16/2006 10:55:02 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (PC Kills: PC inevitably leads to loss of property and life.)
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To: wagglebee

I think Professor Singer is doing all pro-life advocates a big favor. He is being completely consistent with his stated pro-choice philosophy. If a baby can be killed while inside his mother, there is really no reason why he can't be killed outside his mother, when the main difference is a change in residence.

The fact that his position is shocking to pro-choicers simply shows that they don't yet have the courage of their convictions just yet. Give them time. Professor Singer might be hailed as a visionary in 20 years by the same secular humanists who profess to be shocked today.


141 posted on 10/16/2006 10:56:44 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: jwalsh07
In which case there is no "beginning of life" even in higher level beings. The sperm and the egg, is life the same way the single cell beings are life at the stage of meiosis. This is nonsense and a testament to the poor state of the academy in todays America. Genetics tells us quite clearly that new human life, a diploid organism, is extant after fertilization completes. The twinning argument is supercilious nonsense that goes like this. Because the zygote may split into two distinct human organisms it is OK to kill that human life. IOW's two for the price of one justifies killing human life.

I didn't say that anything justifies killing anybody. I simply stated something which should be obvious, but it isn't: conception is not an absolute final state of one individual human being. The science of genetics is clear, the problem is that college level developmental biology books are rife with ideology stepping all over the science. Your tome is a prime example of that. I think a medical diploma and 27 years of practice of obstetrics and gynecology matches any education you may have received. Unless of course you are also a physician and ob-gyn.

Gabor
142 posted on 10/19/2006 4:10:04 PM PDT by Casio
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To: Casio
Socialism by it's very definition will naturally lead to this.

Oh sure, it may take a few generations, but it's coming, if Communism and Socialism rule the day.

They'll loosen the laws on assisted suicide first. Pure economics becuse there is an eventual limit they can tax the population.

Geesh, I remember there being a 90% tax bracket...how barbaric!

For pro-lifers...this man is a gift to be used as a their new 'poster boy' to the pro choice crowd.

Vote in November straight R!

143 posted on 10/19/2006 4:18:54 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Casio
I simply stated something which should be obvious, but it isn't: conception is not an absolute final state of one individual human being.

Right, it's a beginning state, the beginning of new human life on the contiuum from life to death.

I think a medical diploma and 27 years of practice of obstetrics and gynecology matches any education you may have received. Unless of course you are also a physician and ob-gyn.

Look Doc, bs is bs whether it comes from the hind of a bull or the keyboard of a Doctor. And no I'm not an Ob-Gyn, I'm a blue collar guy that knows bs when he sees it.

144 posted on 10/19/2006 6:46:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Look Doc, bs is bs whether it comes from the hind of a bull or the keyboard of a Doctor. And no I'm not an Ob-Gyn, I'm a blue collar guy that knows bs when he sees it.

So you think so. If you pro-lifers would be so smart, abortion wouldn't be the way of life. Think about THAT!

Gabor
145 posted on 10/21/2006 2:28:42 AM PDT by Casio
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To: DCPatriot
For pro-lifers...this man is a gift to be used as a their new 'poster boy' to the pro choice crowd.

I am an ob-gyn doc who is not doing abortions. Interesting, isn't it? You know, if you common pro-lifers would be so smart, there would be no over million abortions a year. Perhaps if you listened to some smarter people, there could be some other ways. But you don't, you insist on the same mantra which resulted in what it is today. And you declare me the poster boy of pro-choicers, which I am not. Anyway, I don't argue with people who don't even ask questions.

Gabor
146 posted on 10/21/2006 2:33:41 AM PDT by Casio
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To: Casio

Why are you drinking at 5:30 AM??


147 posted on 10/21/2006 7:10:48 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: wagglebee

Isn't Singer getting so old that he really is no longer useful to society and his life should be terminated. After all what use is he anyway?


148 posted on 10/21/2006 7:13:56 AM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: Casio
I am an ob-gyn doc who is not doing abortions. Interesting, isn't it?

Hardly. Sounds perfectly ethical to me...

149 posted on 10/21/2006 7:19:21 AM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: DCPatriot
Why are you drinking at 5:30 AM??

Is that you best question? Well....I don't drink at all. Just because you perhaps do, don't assume the same about everybody else you don't agree with.

Gabor
150 posted on 10/22/2006 3:06:39 AM PDT by Casio
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