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Posted on 09/15/2006 5:56:19 AM PDT by Blue Turtle


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KEYWORDS: alliesofterrorists; arizona; canowhoopass; collins; colonpowell; elvisbinladen; graham; maine; mccain; msmclownposse; obl; southcarolina; terrorallies; virginia; warner
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To: TexKat

Thanks .. sounds positively gruesome. Divorce situation?

1,051 posted on 09/15/2006 12:27:17 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: demkicker; OldFriend; Peach
"McCain himself admits, in his autobiography, that torture worked when he was tortured. Now, of course, he says that torture doesn't work."

According to
"McCain signed an anti-American propaganda message which was written in Vietnamese, but did so only as a result of torture (to this day, he cannot raise his arms above his head, due to his two broken shoulders from the severe beatings administered by the North Vietnamese)."

Due to an editing error, failed to make clear that his arms hurt only when he has to vote for measures favorable to Republicans.

1,052 posted on 09/15/2006 12:34:18 PM PDT by OESY
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In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

(1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) taking of hostages; (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

(2) The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.

An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.

The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.

The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.

1,053 posted on 09/15/2006 12:34:55 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Bush: “The Enemy Wants To Attack Us Again”
Bush Argues for New Terrorism Legislation

(September 15, 2006)--President Bush urged Congress Friday to come together on a bill to spell out strategies for interrogating and trying terrorism suspects, saying "the enemy wants to attack us again."

In a White House news conference, Mr. Bush pushed Congress to approve military tribunals for terror suspects, calling them necessary to bring the those responsible for the 9/11 attacks to justice.

Speaking from the Rose Garden, Mr. Bush said he will work with Congress to pass an acceptable measure that would allow the CIA to continue interrogating terrorism suspects, a program he calls "vital."

Without a law that lays out clear rules for interrogations of suspected terrorists, Mr. Bush said, the “program won’t go forward”

Mr. Bush wants Congress to lay out clearly the obligations of the US under Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions and its ban on ” outrages upon personal dignity,” which he calls vague and open to interpretation.

Click Here For Text Of Article 3

“This program won’t go forward if there’s vague standards applied like those in Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions,” Mr. Bush said.

“You can’t ask a young professional on the front line of protecting this country to violate the law,” he said.

Responding to criticism from former Secretary of State and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Colin Powell and others, Mr. Bush said it's "flawed logic" and "unacceptable to think" there's any way to compare the actions of the US and the actions of terrorists.

Powell warned the president's plans could undercut the Geneva Conventions, and put US troops at risk.

The president also failed Thursday to get the US Senate Armed Services Committee to approve his version of a plan to deal with detainees in the war on terrorism.

Committee Chairman Senator John Warner and three other Republicans voted with all the committee's Democrats against lowering the standard for the treatment of prisoners.

The bill the committee approved would allow suspects to see classified material that's being used against them and would bar the use of testimony obtained through coercion.

Like Powell, Warner fears the administration proposal would potentially put US troops at risk if other countries retaliate.

The debate, Mr. Bush said Friday is “going to define whether we can protect ourselves.”

1,054 posted on 09/15/2006 12:36:38 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: tobyhill

Sometimes I wonder if McCain knows up from down. I think he would be a terrible President. He is a Democrat wearing Republican clothing.

1,055 posted on 09/15/2006 12:43:25 PM PDT by jaycee
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To: rfp1234

Who is Linday Grahama? Well, he was a House Manager, one of the guys who prepared the impeachment case against Bubba and followed it over to the Senate to be the prosecutors. Lindsay folded like a cheap suit. He also is a reserve military lawyer who thinks he is an expert on military law, "torture", etc. He is unfit to serve the Palmetto State, or any other state for that matter. He is a McCainiac and one of the Gang of 14 that screwed up judicial appointments. He likes to act like a cornpone hick to endear himselfs to SC folks, but they are on to him.

1,056 posted on 09/15/2006 12:46:40 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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I think the shoulders got messed up by them tying McCain's hands behind him and then hoisting him from his wrists. Sounds painful. However, other accounts from his fellow Hanoi Hilton borders would say he got favored treatment due to his pappy and grandpappy being Admirals, and Johnny being cooperative.

1,057 posted on 09/15/2006 12:49:55 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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His injuries were from his plane crash, if I am not mistaken.

Further he was whining after 9/11 that security checked his golf bag. So how does he manage to play golf.

1,058 posted on 09/15/2006 1:01:46 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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He cannot comb his own hair. That is a fact.

1,059 posted on 09/15/2006 1:04:51 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: shalom aleichem

What is astounding is that some look to McCain as an expert on military matters. If any others had been locked in a prison cell in a hostile foreign country for 5-6 years during a war, I doubt if they would be qualified to comment on subsequent operations, let alone make life and death decisions affecting our troops as he has repeatedly tried to do.

1,060 posted on 09/15/2006 1:09:28 PM PDT by OESY
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To: OldFriend

Warner wasn't even taking calls at his local office here in Midlothian, the answering machine and left the deaf fool an earful. Just a busy signal out of his D.C. office...sent him an angry e-mail through

1,061 posted on 09/15/2006 1:11:47 PM PDT by dogcaller
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To: potlatch; devolve

Bush bitchslaps Gregory, right about here...
"You look beautiful today". Where's that pink dress .gif when I need it?

1,062 posted on 09/15/2006 1:46:53 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: jaycee; Republican Red; tobyhill

As of last night, I thought Powell was positioning himself to run for President as a Democrat.

However, I developed the following thought this morning while listening to news and to Rush.

I believe McCain and Powell will try to team up as an independent ticket to ensure a Republican defeat and victory for McCain's pal, Hellary. This depends, of course, on how delusional McCain is, how much he may still believe he could or could not get the Repub nomination.

Revenge against GWB/RNC is the name of McCain's game. Period. He is extremely bad for the country. Powell's game? I'm not sure, but there seems to be "no love lost" between him and Dubya since he resigned State.

1,063 posted on 09/15/2006 2:26:19 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless America, land that I love. NEVER FORGET ... Some Gave All ...)
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To: Blue Turtle

I just wanted to say I really loved the ending where he said he was inspired that anyone would pray for Laura and him. I am sure most journalists would take it as an insult.

1,064 posted on 09/15/2006 2:34:56 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: La Enchiladita

It's too obvious that this one/two ticket is trying to hijack the Republican Party and probably will shoot for an Independent bid when they get rejected.

1,065 posted on 09/15/2006 2:38:13 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: cake_crumb

Powell is McCains SecDef.

Just like Clarke will be Hillary's SecDef.

1,066 posted on 09/15/2006 2:39:12 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("For seven million extra, we could have avoided a billion dollar WOT.")
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To: Bahbah

"I'll bet the President's morning briefings are real corkers."

GW: Come in Karl. How are the wife and kids?
KR: Great sir, Hey, you hear the one about the Mullah and the Duck?
GW: No Karl
KR: Well sir, A mullah walks into a bar with a duck.
GW: Karl, Mullahs don't drink.
KR: Ok, follow me here sir, A mullah waslks into a yogurt shop with a duck on his shoulder. The guy behind the counter says, He where'd you get that ugly smelly thing. The Duck says, In Iran, there are millions of them.
GW: Hehe Karl, good one. By the way, hows the stealing of the grandmoithers social security checks in San Fran going?
KR: Fine sir. We got another 27 bucks.

1,067 posted on 09/15/2006 2:45:39 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("For seven million extra, we could have avoided a billion dollar WOT.")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

LOL. Not exactly what I had in mind.

1,068 posted on 09/15/2006 2:46:54 PM PDT by Bahbah (Shalit, Goldwasser and Regev, we are praying for you)
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To: La Enchiladita; tobyhill

I would guess that McCain and Powell are delisional enough they they could each exceed Ross Perot's 19% and come in somewhere in the 40%+ category. In times of plurality elections, 40 something could win, but their tandem would not likely get 40.

1,069 posted on 09/15/2006 3:07:47 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: rjmeagle
Thank you! I take slips (I make four to a page) like those out with me, when I precinct case anyone wants to know why I'm a Republican.

It was crafted 90% with W's 2004 platform and 10% my hubby and me.

I also shared this info with Linda Lingle's Campaign Chairman. Hawaii is in need of some serious help. I have relatives there, and they tell me that it's REALLY difficult to tell who's running that's Republican. NO one puts it on their political signs, and only if you read the paper (that's liberal) do you ever find out. One relative said she already voted, and the number of Dems running was about 20/1 to the Republicans. I don't think they have any precinct walking operations, and that's sad. I live in a blue state (unfortunately) but the here in San Diego, the nation-wide Republican Party is following OUR lead. We are a RED COUNTY, and have one of the greatest precinct operations in the Country. Walking house to house on a couple Saturdays, with hang tags containing important information--talking to your neighbors and showing that their vote matters...WORKS!

Sorry for the ramble, but I care so much, and our Country and the fate of the free world is at stake. I can only imagine what the likes of the Dem party would do to our nation, and the affect that would have on the World, today. We need firm resolve, and an ability to look at the big picture. The terrorists are like rats--they are hungry and multiplying. They play dirty, and getting rid of them is dirty work.

The Dems can have their "it's all about me" and "victim mentality" votes. The Republicans stand for something.

Post #372.

Thanks again for your kind words rjmeagle!

1,070 posted on 09/15/2006 3:20:30 PM PDT by NordP (America: There are more Patriots than Punks!)
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To: rjmeagle

I told him that in an email about a year or so ago. For some reason, he scares me. I do not want him anywhere near the White House.

1,071 posted on 09/15/2006 3:29:22 PM PDT by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: Txsleuth

O'Reilly just ___Slapped Mccain!! "The terrorists can do anything, we can do very little"
"our soldiers could not be in greater harm already" (cut up with machetes, butchered tortured etc)

1,072 posted on 09/15/2006 5:04:43 PM PDT by omega4179 (Lets call terrorism extremism, then it would go away.../s)
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To: TeleStraightShooter


1,073 posted on 09/15/2006 5:24:42 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: Blue Turtle

This was one of President Bush’s best press conference, I would compared it to that of Sir Winston Churchill.

1,074 posted on 09/15/2006 5:44:32 PM PDT by FreeRep
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To: A Citizen Reporter
" he called him Dave. " Didn't I read somewhere that Gregory HATES that? He must be known as David.

This may be posted later on this thread, but Medved met with the President today and in talking to Iran, he pronounced Nuclear a bunch of times correctly with no hesitation. Medved is sure that he says noocular in public just to tweak the press.

The next caller said he loves the President and calls him our first "Colombo" president. Absolutely brilliant. I wouldn't be surprised if that guy was a freeper.

Basically...the Press thinks the President is dumb, but they are being played in a spectacular way.

1,075 posted on 09/15/2006 5:46:46 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: mhking
Where has THIS Bush been the last nine months or so?

Lurking patiently in the shadows waiting to pounce.

1,076 posted on 09/15/2006 5:49:52 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: OldFriend

Isn't that the truth!

1,077 posted on 09/15/2006 6:08:36 PM PDT by bethtopaz (There will be peace in the Mideast when Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel. -Meir)
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To: jveritas

I completely agree; this is the President the American public needs to see! (We know him and love him, but the rest of the country needs to see him for the incredible man he is.)

1,078 posted on 09/15/2006 6:10:39 PM PDT by alwaysconservative (Who on earth dresses those women on the Weather Channel? Can't they find clothes that fit?)
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To: alwaysconservative

Where is a transcript; please. C-Span link is crapped out.

1,079 posted on 09/15/2006 7:07:50 PM PDT by ducman
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To: ducman

Here's the transcript. Video too. Requires Real Player.

1,080 posted on 09/15/2006 7:38:15 PM PDT by speelurker
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To: pollyannaish

Our President rocks! both pollyanaish and always conservative have got it spot on. He is determined to communicate the facts to the people. He is the only one who can do this and I'm so very proud of him and his efforts. As a native Texan W rules!

1,081 posted on 09/15/2006 10:13:45 PM PDT by texicali
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To: shalom aleichem

To steal from the Dixie Chicks:

We're ashamed Lindsay Graham is from South Carolina.

1,082 posted on 09/16/2006 2:18:16 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: Peach
"HEADS UP: Rush reporting: 1,000 lawyers represent 144 prisoners with 18,000 letters in and out of Gitmo every year. No one can look inside the letters."


Peach, I haven't read the entire thread and may be repeating information you have already posted.  The source of the statement you mentioned is at Rush's site

A DEADLY KINDNESS  At Gitmo, PC Rules Let Qaedas Plot On   New York Post by Richard Miniter  9-15-06


Other cells pass messages from leaders in one camp to followers in others. How? Detainees use the envelopes sent to them by their attorneys to pass messages. (Some 1,000 lawyers represent 440 prisoners, all on a pro bono basis, with more than 18,500 letters in and out of Gitmo in the past year.) Guards are not allowed to look inside these envelopes because of "attorney-client privilege" - even if they know the document inside is an Arabic-language note written by a prisoner to another prisoner and not a letter to or from a lawyer.

That's right: Accidentally or not, American lawyers are helping al Qaeda prisoners continue to plot.


1,083 posted on 09/16/2006 3:04:34 AM PDT by windchime (One war~many fronts.)
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To: NordP
I'm going to steal that NordP.
I'm going to steal it, and use it, over and over again.
I'm going to wear it on my t-shirt, and post it on my website.

I hope you're not mad at me.

1,084 posted on 09/16/2006 6:44:17 AM PDT by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. There'd be no jail-time for anything we do.)
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To: NordP; floramacdonald
Flora, PING to post 367...
NordP, Flora is my webmaster.
She makes my posts look really good, like I know what I'm doing.
1,085 posted on 09/16/2006 6:47:41 AM PDT by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. There'd be no jail-time for anything we do.)
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To: NordP; floramacdonald's 372, not 367.

1,086 posted on 09/16/2006 6:48:21 AM PDT by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. There'd be no jail-time for anything we do.)
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To: concretebob
Quite the contrary! I'm SO glad you like it!!!

Most were on W's 2004 platform. Too bad he's not getting credit for them, by actually saying this out loud in speeches...or having the Senators read it--and refer back to it, frequently! :-)

Sorry about the wrong post number!

You made my day!--That post, and a newly filled out Republican Voter Registration form for someone that just moved into your neighborhood ---is GOLD! ;-) Let's Roll!

1,087 posted on 09/16/2006 8:04:50 AM PDT by NordP (America: There are more Patriots than Punks!)
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To: speelurker

Thanks for the link! This was one that, as I read it, I knew it was going into my archives...

Pres. Bush may slip on grammar here and there, but, can you imagine Clinton taking this approach: "Maybe it's not the politically expedient thing to do, is to increase troops coming into an election, but we just can't -- you can't make decisions based upon politics about how to win a war."

I've been sitting here 15 minutes and any comment I can think to make seems inadequate!

1,088 posted on 09/17/2006 1:02:44 AM PDT by Paul R. ("Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice Doggie" until you can find a rock" - Will Rogers)
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To: Paul R.

You're right, of course. The simple truth of what he says is profound, because it takes a courageous person to say it when it counts. We have the right president at a difficult time for the nation and the world. Thank you.

1,089 posted on 09/17/2006 10:01:30 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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