Posted on 09/17/2006 3:45:13 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
I don't think that's what he said, though. He said he was sorry they were angry and that those particular words didn't express his thoughts - a statement of fact, since the words were somebody else's and did not, in fact, express his thoughts. He did not retract his statements about coercion and in fact repeated his call for "respectful dialogue," meaning that they owe us the same respect we show to them in permitting open, honest discussion of the issues. No more of the one-sided group hug.
I think it was a careful statement because he does not want to give the Muslims any more "excuses" to hunt down and kill Christians - although this morning, they've already blown away a 70 year old hospital nun in Somalia, so I think it's not going to have any effect.
But we must realize that the Catholic Church has millions of Christians who are essentially hostages in Muslim lands to worry about. I think challenging the Muslims is ultimately going to lead to more protection for Christians, but in the meantime, it's going to be ugly, and I think he's trying to mitigate that as much as possible without retracting his words.
More than just a slight overstatement.
If that is true, it is a repudiation of the quote's conclusion that "islam is spread by violence." That is itself "submission" (islam means submission, of course) to the will of islam under the threat of violence.
I hope more info will come out during the day that clarifies this and we find that what you have said (I'm sorry you took offense) is all that was said.
I do agree that Christians will get killed, but that is exactly the point of the Pope reference to violence in islam.
If the whole world pulls its verbal punches to avoid islamic violence...we are submitting to islamic extortion.
At some point we must say "no."
Simply not what the Pope said.
I agree. I think the time to say "no" is sooner rather than later, but we'll have to see if a critical mass of outraged people and countries rally to this.
So far - to my knowledge, at least - the Pope has gotten virtually no support, not even from Christian religious leaders in relatively safe, non-Muslim countries. That's not encouraging.
"Why use a quote that implies islamic use of violence to exact "submission" or "conversion", which the islamics in turn prove by their response to his speech...and then say the quote doesn't express your personal thought.
The entire non-muslim world knows that islam extorts submission/islam by threat of force and so does the Pope.
I am hoping some clarification will come out later today that shows precisely what it is that doesn't express the Pope's personal opinion.
Here's another thread that expands what was said by the Pope. That may be the cause of some confusion re: this matter...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1702975/posts
Right, the Pope can't go it alone. The entire world has to stand united.
No, this is not a repudiation. The Pope used the cite for a larger discourse. He has not stated what his personal opinion is. The Papacy has a long involvement with Muslims. I have no doubts the Pope knows many peaceful Muslims who do not adhere to the Murderers R US bigotry cult.
I didn't take offense. My understanding of what he said, what they said, what is being said -- is different from yours.
Put another way: A couple years back, some gent used the word "niggardly" while his main focus was upon something else. He wasn't referring to skin color. He wasn't referring to an ethnic group. He used the word properly. The feminized "black cult" of screaming-and-ranting-R-us, demanded his head. His theme had nothing to do with skin color.
The Pope's speech had NOTHING to do with his personal sentiments about Islam.
His focus. The force of his presentation was about the deleterious use force to enslave people to a particular way of seeing things; and his listed what such violence does to any country, any hearth, harm to the individual.
CA Democrats use sneaky laws to FORCE children in pub ed to endorse homosexuality and they don't give a rats patooty what the parents of the students think or say.
This force brings a backlash, and then the culprits whine they are victims of oppression. Just like the Islamofascists are doing now. Saying the Pope has no right to even "discuss" Islamofascism, unless he's one of "their group":
You cannot discuss feminism, unless you are a feminist.
You cannot discuss racialism, unless you are a racialist.
Sound familiar?
Muslims equals savages. Yep, that sounds about right.
Perhaps the Pope is counting on the faithful to be able to 'see' that which is being demonstrated before their very eyes.
The Pope under the threat of violence from another 'religion.'
Will it be enough to stir the faithful or must the Pope be killed? I don't see either of his statements as an apology...he clearly states it as an appeasement of the muslims.
I disagree with that statement, but it is only a personal opinion and possibly wishful thinking.
The Pope has strong views on islam and its threat to our world. There have been several great articles (some posted here yesterday) on his great work in this war that islam has declared on the world.
Verily I say unto you that I am profoundly sorry that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are so damned stupid and hypocritcal that they take offense from the words of a man who has been dead for hundreds of years. Get a life, people!
In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
In that statement, you have effective parsed this issue IMO. If islam means "submission," it can be said that it also means "appeasement."
Oh, what's the use...
This is a religious war and they need to be defeated.
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