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Pope: "Remarks not my views"
Sky News ^ | 17 Sep 06 | Sky News

Posted on 09/17/2006 5:49:41 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast

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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

So, if the Pope does not "in any way" agree with what he quoted, what DOES he believe?


21 posted on 09/17/2006 6:02:27 PM PDT by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Well, they have won yet again. How they must laugh at all of us.


22 posted on 09/17/2006 6:05:00 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Zman516

Well...it's like this...
I lied to my diary.
OK? Understand?
Jeez...


23 posted on 09/17/2006 6:05:48 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
"This was a citation from a medieval text which doesn't express in any way whatsoever my personal opinion," he said."

Does he say what his personal opinion is? No.

24 posted on 09/17/2006 6:07:58 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

If you read the entire argument the Pope presented, the 14th century sentence he quoted was a premise to be argued with, not accepted at face value. It was posited to elicit counterarguments. The Pope even quoted the pre-jihad Mohammed, who was much more prone to tolerance of other religions (because he was in a position of weakness) to give Muslims a hint at how they might challenge it.

He did not cave in or give ground. He basically said that Islam has internal inconsistencies on the subject of using violence to spread its religion. He did not say how he personally has sifted these inconsistencies.

I encourage everyone to read his original speech. It is linked on this site someplace.


25 posted on 09/17/2006 6:08:00 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: stm
"Pope Benedict XVI caved"

No he didn't.

26 posted on 09/17/2006 6:10:40 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

When is the (butt)-kissing going to stop?


27 posted on 09/17/2006 6:11:26 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II --> Appeasing Islam for 27 years)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

"Don't hurt me."


28 posted on 09/17/2006 6:12:16 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Probably be kissing the Koran tomorrow


29 posted on 09/17/2006 6:12:52 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Zman516; All
"So, if the Pope does not "in any way" agree with what he quoted, what DOES he believe?"

Perhaps this will give you a clue. Cardinal Ratzinger in 1984.

"Extremely harsh also were the words used by Ratzinger in passing judgment on other religions: "After the Council," he says, "their value has been over emphasized; paganism painted as being serene and innocent is one of the illusions of our time. In fact, there exists the active presence of the devil, and from this only Christ can free us. For this reason we must continue to preach Christianity to these non-Christian religions which are in many instances reigns of terror."

The Angelus

30 posted on 09/17/2006 6:15:13 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: gcruse

He didn't back down, and he's not worried about himself, believe me. He's worried about the Christians in Muslim lands (such as the 70 yr old nun who was gunned down by a Muslim in a Somali children's hospital today), which is probably the only reason he's even giving these idiots the courtesy of a reply.

But he knows that this situation has got to be dealt with, and it's going to cost Christian lives no matter what he does. Think about it, how would you feel?


31 posted on 09/17/2006 6:16:17 PM PDT by livius
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

The Pope said what he said. I hope the European (Western Empire) leaders are bright enough to understand what the Pope was trying to tell them through this Byzantine Emperor.


32 posted on 09/17/2006 6:17:13 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Those that do not heed the warnings of history....)
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To: uncbob

I doubt it. What has your pastor done or said, btw? I have heard only resounding silence from Christians in the US. To my knowledge, not one bishop or important clergyman, Protestant, Orthodox or Catholic, has come forward to support the Pope.


33 posted on 09/17/2006 6:18:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: billorites

See #25.


34 posted on 09/17/2006 6:18:49 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: livius

How would I feel? I'd feel that you stand up to killers.


35 posted on 09/17/2006 6:18:53 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: livius

True. And freepers should remember that there is also a liberal faction at the Vatican, as well as within the ranks of Cardinals and Bishops, who are not always happy with Pope Benedict - nor he with them.


36 posted on 09/17/2006 6:20:27 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Dear Pope,

No matter what you say or do, Muslims want you dead.


37 posted on 09/17/2006 6:21:58 PM PDT by airborne (Fecal matter is en route to fan! Contact is imminent!)
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To: SnarlinCubBear
I'm not Catholic, and I don't get it. If they weren't his personal views, then why did he say anything?

I take it as a warning to Europe.

38 posted on 09/17/2006 6:22:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Those that do not heed the warnings of history....)
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To: livius
"But he knows that this situation has got to be dealt with, and it's going to cost Christian lives no matter what he does."

Then this is the issue that will prove his mettle?

39 posted on 09/17/2006 6:22:24 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
It isn't over yet...

I suggest the Pope isn't sorry for telling the truth.

Let's hang tough...the Pope will!

BTW, I'm not Catholic but I believe in this Pope. He won't let us down. Hang tough.

40 posted on 09/17/2006 6:22:31 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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