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The Senator's Gentile Rebuke (Sen. Allen Angry at Reporter's Question about Jewish Ancestry)
Washington Post ^ | 9/19/06 | Dana Milbank

Posted on 09/19/2006 4:16:14 AM PDT by nj26

First came Sen. George Allen's Macaca Moment. Then we learned of challenger Jim Webb's thoughts on the "horny" women of the Naval Academy.

Now, just when you thought Virginia's U.S. Senate race couldn't get any weirder, the Jews of Tunis are making a cameo.

At a debate in Tysons Corner yesterday between Republican Allen and Democrat Webb, WUSA-TV's Peggy Fox asked Allen, the tobacco-chewing, cowboy-boot-wearing son of a pro football coach, if his Tunisian-born mother has Jewish blood.

"It has been reported," said Fox, that "your grandfather Felix, whom you were given your middle name for, was Jewish. Could you please tell us whether your forebears include Jews and, if so, at which point Jewish identity might have ended?"

Allen recoiled as if he had been struck. His supporters in the audience booed and hissed. "To be getting into what religion my mother is, I don't think is relevant," Allen said, furiously. "Why is that relevant -- my religion, Jim's religion or the religious beliefs of anyone out there?"

"Honesty, that's all," questioner Fox answered, looking a bit frightened.

"Oh, that's just all? That's just all," the senator mocked, pressing his attack. He directed Fox to "ask questions about issues that really matter to people here in Virginia" and refrain from "making aspersions."

"Let's move on," proposed the moderator, George Stephanopoulos of ABC News.

Yes, let's -- but not before we figure out what that was all about. Turns out the Forward, a Jewish newspaper, reported that the senator's mother, Etty, "comes from the august Sephardic Jewish Lumbroso family."

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To: savedbygrace

Another sycophant.

Bring it on, punk.


51 posted on 09/19/2006 4:59:58 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: nj26

What's up with Webb and the "horny" comment? I haven't heard anything about that at all.


52 posted on 09/19/2006 5:00:49 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

Another Liberal sychophant.

Bring it on, Maccaca.


53 posted on 09/19/2006 5:01:11 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: Humble Servant
Yes, it's troubling that the reporter would ask the question to begin with. They were no doubt trying to play on any anti-semitic feelings that anyone in the audience may have had. But *if* this story is relayed accurately, Allen considered it an aspersion, which is also troubling (accent on "if").

Given the way he lost his cool with that Webb aide, and now this, I have to agree that he may not be Presidential material.

54 posted on 09/19/2006 5:01:11 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: RayStacy

"What's this about Webb's "horny" comment? Haven't the slightest clue what that's all about."

It was a reference to an article published by Webb in the sixties, I believe, about the increasing role of women in the military. It was highly derogatory toward any role for them, and referred to military academies as a dream come true for horny women, or some such comment. Though it is an old referrence, and he could easily have distanced himself from it, I didn't think he repudiated it with much vigor at all.


55 posted on 09/19/2006 5:01:31 AM PDT by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: nj26

I did not see this debate, and I know nothing about his heritage. Way I see it, considering the reporter later whined about getting booed and hissed seems she was caught by her own bait.


56 posted on 09/19/2006 5:01:33 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: mdwakeup
"So asking if you have Jewish ancestors is "casting aspersions"? What's that about?"

Asking ANY questions about ancestors should be off base, whether they are Jewish, Chinese, black, or little green men from outer space. Allen was right on to tell the reporter to focus on something that matters--like the issues.

57 posted on 09/19/2006 5:02:17 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: The G Man
Here's your presidential material, sycopant:

"I love this quote. It's from Mahatma Ghandi. He ran a gas station down in, uh, St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Ghandi, you gonna still go to the gas station? A lot of wisdom comes out of that gas station..."

Hear the shrill voice of the Chappaqua Whore right here:

Racist Comments from Chappaqua Whore

58 posted on 09/19/2006 5:02:50 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: nj26

I don't know why Allen should be upset about the question. Yes it is an stupid irrelevant question, but you get a lot of those on the campaign trail. If a reporter were to come to me with a question about the religion of one of my ancestors, if I knew about it, I would tell a story about my Great Aunt Bertie, or whomever. If I didn't know about it, I would thank the reporter for the information and move on. I don't know why one should react in a hostile way.


59 posted on 09/19/2006 5:03:51 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: Humble Servant

My take on this is that the Dems in VA are already panicing. The fact that their only debate points relative to Allen is Macaca and Jewish ancestry means their internal polls show Webb losing to Allen. Dems always play the race when cornered. Its what they do. That the Washington Post makes itself a vehicle for racist attacks is not new either. The Post is a true believer in the "white man's" burden theory of politics. But their spin is only conservative white males should be punished. The editorial board is tragically twisted and conflicted concerning equality of citizens.


60 posted on 09/19/2006 5:04:58 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: Fairview
"He loses his temper and he's a bull in a china shop."

And McCain doesn't?? Or Guiliani?? or Kerry?? Kennedy??

They're all human.

61 posted on 09/19/2006 5:05:49 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Humble Servant

Thank you. Amazing that I haven't heard of this, bad remarks by a dem and all.


62 posted on 09/19/2006 5:06:08 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: jmaroneps37

George Allen's best quote EVER on Democrats:

"Let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats."

Freeper material, folks.


63 posted on 09/19/2006 5:06:22 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: tigtog

Absolutely.

George Allen is the next President of the United States.

The sycophants are out, and the Chappaqua Whore and her transparent sycophants are nervous.

Watch for the sycophants - they are hilarious and pathetic!


64 posted on 09/19/2006 5:08:30 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: The G Man
Hillary Clinton:

"I love this quote. It's from Mahatma Ghandi. He ran a gas station down in, uh, St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Ghandi, you gonna still go to the gas station? A lot of wisdom comes out of that gas station..."

Hear the shrill voice of the Chappaqua Whore right here:

Racist Comments from Chappaqua Whore

65 posted on 09/19/2006 5:09:28 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: Stallone

Thank you, Sylvester.


66 posted on 09/19/2006 5:10:09 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: Stallone

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Ghandi

George Allen will be the next President of the United States.


67 posted on 09/19/2006 5:12:10 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: The G Man

You're welcome 'G' oof.


68 posted on 09/19/2006 5:12:45 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Absolutely.

His quote on Democrats is EXACTLY my kind of politician:

"Let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats."


69 posted on 09/19/2006 5:14:48 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: nj26

i thought assimilation is lauded; why shouldn't the public know 'bout the Senator's background?


70 posted on 09/19/2006 5:16:01 AM PDT by 1234 (WHO is Responsible for ENFORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS?)
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To: nj26
"Honesty, that's all," questioner Fox answered

what a crock...
71 posted on 09/19/2006 5:17:58 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: The G Man
Note the last part of the "Are you a Jew?" question. The so-called reporter asked when Allen's Jewish heritage "had come to an end." That is the aspersion -- that he was a Jew and abandoned his heritage.

Congressman Billybob

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Please see my most recent new statement on running for Congress, here.

72 posted on 09/19/2006 5:18:07 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Have a look-see. Please get involved.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Now! if Allen's mother had been Arab/Muslim, I would have to give him a second thought!


73 posted on 09/19/2006 5:21:30 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Humble Servant

It was written in 1979 while Webb was a guest professor at the Naval Academy.


74 posted on 09/19/2006 5:21:48 AM PDT by ekwd (Murphy's Law Has Not Been Repealed)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Billybob:

A reasonable explanation. Thank you.

G(oof)

75 posted on 09/19/2006 5:22:16 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: nj26
Flame suit on.

Unfortunately, Allen is melting under the spotlight. Of the 4 in the lead for POTUS, Rudy, Newt, Romney, and Allen-Allen was the clear choice. I hope he pulls it together-he was clearly having problems on MTP.

76 posted on 09/19/2006 5:22:25 AM PDT by MattinNJ (The West has been fighting the war on terror for 1300 years.)
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To: reg45
Regarding your comment on Goldwater. I can assure you that there were many ugly comments about Goldwater being jewish.

The suggestion that he was jewish was not meant as an enhancement.

77 posted on 09/19/2006 5:23:18 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Fairview

Ya know! it is really easy for someone on the outside looking in to say he should have said this or said that, when in reality no one replies perfectly.


78 posted on 09/19/2006 5:23:25 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Stallone

Already brought it, and you've proven I was correct. Thanks.

Point. Game. Match.

And BTW, Allen won't even get the GOP nod. Ain't gonna happen. In general, Senators don't win the White House. The pubbies will choose a governor . . . if they want to win.


79 posted on 09/19/2006 5:23:25 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: nj26

Two useful articles:

http://www.forward.com/articles/alleged-slur-casts-spotlight-on-senator%E2%80%99s-jewis/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Felix_Allen

I support Allen, but I don't know why he didn't say something like: "The religion of my mother or her ancestors is not germane to this campaign. I am a Christian and a Presbyterian." Next question.


80 posted on 09/19/2006 5:25:03 AM PDT by carrier-aviator
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To: PJ-Comix
You forget that Allen has also been a governor.
81 posted on 09/19/2006 5:25:18 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: The G Man
Could you please tell us whether your forebears include Jews and, if so, at which point Jewish identity might have ended?"

The aspersion is that he is rejecting his Jewish identity - it helps advance the racist, bigot, homophobe - macaca action line.
82 posted on 09/19/2006 5:25:34 AM PDT by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: Hatteras

LOL


83 posted on 09/19/2006 5:25:40 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: MattinNJ
Flame suit on.

You're right to do so. Stallone is about to call you a "sycophant of the Chappaqua whore" for daring to question George Allen. Turns out we're all Hillary "sleeper cells" who have been biding our time here at FR for years and years just so we can not support George Allen. He's on to us.

84 posted on 09/19/2006 5:27:19 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

"the (liberal) news reporter had been told that if Allen was "exposed" as having Jewish ancestry, then (1) his CHRISTIAN supporters would reject him "

Makes no sense at all. It's very well known that evangelical Christians are among the biggest supporters of Israel. Why would anybody think that learning Allen has Jewish heritage turn them off?


85 posted on 09/19/2006 5:27:52 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: msg-84

Good post. Thanks, msg.


86 posted on 09/19/2006 5:28:00 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: The G Man
It's the WaPo, so any pretense of accuracy is wishful thinking.

My GUESS is that the attempted "aspersion" was the Alen was hiding his Jewish heritage, and the purpose of the aspersion was to defang the accurate accusation that Kerry was claiming an Irish background rather than the real deal.

Even the WaPO isn't ready, IMHO, to make "Jewish Blood" a put down. But newsies are ALWAYS campaigning for the DIMS, and if they could respond, "Well, What about Allen hiding HIS background?" whenever Kerry's lies are brought up, they'd ocnsider that a good thing.

While I'm guessing, I'd suggest that the newsies will now claim, on the basis of the question and Allen's response, that "everyone knows" that George is ashamed of his background and is therefore a hypocritical Republican (which to them is a redundancy) and a self-hating Jew.

In related news, the military continues to hold a newsie for collaborating with the enemy. The newsies think there needs to be a trial. I think that if the guy has a press card, that would constitute dispositive and conclusive evidence that he was an enemy collaborator -- which is probably why I haven't been asked to be a judge anywhere lately.

87 posted on 09/19/2006 5:30:15 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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To: Stallone
I heard the debate on the radio.

Allen KICKED HER ASS (that nasty reporter with the race bait question).

The 'reporter', a liberal democrat from WUSA TV, got roundly booed and hissed.

Consider this: The audience was pretty much on Webb's side from the beginning, filled with libs. The applause Allen got and the applause Webb got were very different. However, when Allen castigated that lib reporter for her very rude, stupid question, the applause I heard for Allen was the loudest I had heard. In other words, the Post wrote a propaganda piece: It was not "Allen's supporters hissed", it was "lots of people hissed, and most applauded for Allen when he returned fire".

Everyone has got to hear/see this debate. It was great!

The three minute close was BRILLIANT by Allen. Webb, by contrast, leaned on the podium, rambled on, and had, I counted, 24 "uhs" in his close.

Allen won the debate hands down.

88 posted on 09/19/2006 5:30:54 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (..is an American allright, but is not in Japan, folks. Thanks for letting me keep the moniker.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Further, continuing your excellent summary, the left FERVENTLY BELIVES (as a matter of faith and morals) that their conservative enemies ARE racists and bigots who hate minorities.

Therefore, since Allen "obviously" (had to) reject his Jewish ancestry (to appeal to his barbaric and racist Christian supports) this particular (liberal) newscaster "had to" expose this to attack Allen, so HIS reply can be exposed.

Of course, what WILL be promoted (by the liberal press) is that Allen will be "exposed" as a Jewish-hating racist by publicizing his answer to her racist question as racist itself!
89 posted on 09/19/2006 5:33:31 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Stallone

"Watch for the sycophants..."

Buy a dictionary.


90 posted on 09/19/2006 5:34:04 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Gone GF

The reporter was referring to the Jewish concept that ethnicity passes through the mother. This is fine. Jews can consider Allen Jewish if they want.

But let's remember: Judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity (or race, used in an older sense). If Allen's mother had Jewish ethnicity, then so does the son.

But if we look at it in a religious sense, one cannot inherit a religion. The religion of one's parents doesn't necessarily transfer to their children. Allen is 100% Presbyterian, not half Presbyterian anf half Jewish.

I once heard Bill Mahr say: "I am half Catholic and half Jewish." This, of course is preposterous. One cannot be half a religion.

Bottom line: Allen is a Presbyterian, and the ethnic or racial background of his mother has nothing to do with this fact.


91 posted on 09/19/2006 5:34:48 AM PDT by carrier-aviator
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To: Gone GF
Never said the liberals were accurate or moral. She was repeating what she "believed" would be a troubling and embarrassing "fact" hidden by Allen so SHE would look good to HER admirers.

Who are all fellow liberals.

92 posted on 09/19/2006 5:36:13 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: mariabush

You're right, few people can reply smoothly at all times. But losing your temper prevents you from thinking clearly.

As I said, my model is Mr. Fairview, who has been verbally sucker-punched this way in public situations on a number of occasions. He smiles and answers courteously, and then the questioner looks down and sees that his guts are on the floor. It's a beautiful thing to see.


93 posted on 09/19/2006 5:37:17 AM PDT by Fairview
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94 posted on 09/19/2006 5:41:38 AM PDT by SJackson (The PilgrimsóDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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95 posted on 09/19/2006 5:41:41 AM PDT by SJackson (The PilgrimsóDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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But Allen turned on the questioner with ferocity. He may have been irked that the question was a follow-up to one noting that "macaca" was a racial slur that his mother may have learned in Tunisia. He may have been concerned that Jewish roots wouldn't play well in parts of Virginia. Or he may just have been in a quarreling mood.

If my grandfather had been 'incarcerated by the Nazis' (for whatever 'reason') as Allen claims his was, I'd consider the question out of bounds and respond in a thorny way, too.

96 posted on 09/19/2006 5:42:23 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Stallone

caption this pic...
jewish cowboy bucky goldstein races for the senate...
(flameguard {TM} on)
i voted for allen, and will again. just love the humor in the situation.
i agree, though, why is being jewish an "aspersion"?


97 posted on 09/19/2006 5:42:26 AM PDT by wayne_b24 (every day in the Light is a good day...)
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To: nj26

"It has been reported," said Fox, that "your grandfather Felix, whom you were given your middle name for, was Jewish. Could you please tell us whether your forebears include Jews and, if so, at which point Jewish identity might have ended?"

Frau Fox seems to be a little too eager to ferret out all the Juden. Will the brave, brave MSM ever ask the same of John Kerry?


98 posted on 09/19/2006 5:46:54 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: The G Man; mdwakeup
That last part is troubling. Why would the fact whether someone is Jewish or not be an "aspersion"???

Though his actions haven't been overt, there have been suggestions that the Webb campaign, or at least workers and supporters, have used the Jewish issue as a negative campaign issue. Both from the perspective of being a Jew, and denying his Jewish ancestry. Of course this question was asked by a reporter, not Webb.

The same accusations were made against Webb in the Democratic primary, where he also faced a Jewish candidate, "anti-Christ of outsourcing.".

Webb vs. Miller
[Greg Pollowitz 06/08 02:40 PM]

The latest is that James Webb sent out a campaign flier with the following caricature of Harris Miller, who is Jewish. The picture is being called Anti-Semitic and Webb has been accused of "jewbaiting".

Here's the picture:

From the Free Lance-Star:

Scholars of political literature had mixed reactions upon seeing the flier.

"That doesn't look so good. There's no question to me that's replete with anti-Semitic stereotypes," said Mark Feldstein, an associate professor of media and public affairs at George Washington University. "I'm not someone who readily cries anti-Semitism, but I think it's hard to look at this and not see a number of anti-Semitic stereotypes plugged into this ad, from the hook nose to the 'antichrist' to the money-grubbing character."

Bruce Newman, a professor of marketing at DePaul University and editor of the Journal of Political Marketing, said it reminded him of 1930s German propaganda, where the Jewish character was subtly made out to be the thieving villain.

"It very much crosses the line," said Newman, who is Jewish. "I'm speaking with my professional hat on now. It's a modern-day caricature of the quote-unquote villain, the one who's out to make life difficult and hurt people in the town. I've seen literature from those days and this offends me quite a bit."

University of Virginia political analyst Larry Sabato said the flier wasn't really any worse than other campaign literature he'd seen in hotly contested races.

"I think that's a real stretch to call that anti-Semitic, and I'm not usually inclined to give candidates the benefit of the doubt," Sabato said.

A spokeswoman for Miller said her team originally thought the flier was a prank not produced by the Webb campaign. They're bothered by it, Taylor West said, but they're focused more on Tuesday's primary. The winner will face Republican Sen. George Allen in November.

"There's a role in calling attention to differences, but this cartoon is so outlandish. It ought to be an embarrassment to their campaign. It's so far beyond what any Virginia candidate has had lobbed at them," she said. "Despite the very personal attacks, we're going to focus on our message."

99 posted on 09/19/2006 5:54:50 AM PDT by SJackson (The PilgrimsóDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: Stallone; The G Man
Stallone

How is questioning Allen's recent performance being a sycophant? I call it as I see them. He looked like a deer in the headlights when questioned about the Macaca statement on MTP. He turned it from a non-issue into an issue. Instead of saying that a Macaca is a Tunisian reference to an annoying bird, he said he never used the word before. Russert clearly baited him and got him to say on the record that he never used that word before an had no idea what it meant. Like the libs hadn't already gone on Lexis and had that in their chamber? Please. Carville was high fiving when he said that. That was Allen's "I voted for the war before I voted against it." moment.

Look, I couldn't care less if he call the little slimeball an annoying *&^%# and then , instead of denying it and apologizing (the kiss of death) he should have cowboyed up and said "Yeah, I called him a Macaca. It means an annoying bird. While I was at it, I should have also called him an a--hole." but he didn't.

I wish it weren't true, but it is. I was pulling for Allen early on and still am-but he has to right his ship. Leave denial to the libs. We deal in reality on the right.

100 posted on 09/19/2006 5:58:50 AM PDT by MattinNJ (The West has been fighting the war on terror for 1300 years.)
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