Posted on 09/25/2006 5:22:07 AM PDT by RKV
"There's no reason why it could not have recovered...except for their policy of "Self reliance" and (it goes without saying) Communism."
That phrase should read:
"There's no reason why it could not have recovered...except for their policy of Communism."
"So then you have a hunch, a theory, about this autarchy thing, that the US could make it work if we tried real hard. I don't think so. One antidote for that kind of thinking to read Adam Smith - The Wealth of Nations."
You are obviously too young to remember the period between roughly 1945-1960 when the US was, essentially, economically self-sufficient. Everything you bought whether it was a TV set, radio, automobile, toy, clothing, footwear, home appliance, flatware etc etc etc was MADE IN THE USA. Only exception would have been the diamond in the engagement ring you offered to your girlfriend after the sock hop was over!
Oh, and even the gasoline you put in your De Soto or oil to heat your home came from petroleum extracted in the USA.
In the individual Shadow model, once we re-integrate the part of ourselves we left behind, the Shadow loses its "dark side" (yes, this idea was co-opted for Star Wars).
Just a quick overview. Fire away.
"islam is our Shadow, our repressed spiritual life knocking hard on our door."
Some would say that Islam is the hornet's nest we obsessively insist on poking with a stick.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/country_profiles/1131421.stm
After the Korean War, Kim Il-sung introduced the personal philosophy of Juche, or self-reliance, which became a guiding light for North Korea's development.
I have studied Economics at the graduate level (got A's by the way) so I am familiar with the Mercantilist arguments that paleo-cons such as yourself make. With respect to the falsehood you attempt to foist on us about the period 1945-1960, here are the stats. http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/past_years.html We had both trade surpluses and deficits during the period 1945-1960. Here's the more recent data - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_payments You are confusing your experience (and memory) with the actual facts. Puting an "American label" on a product does not tell the whole story as to where the raw materials and compents which made it up came from.
"After the Korean War, Kim Il-sung introduced the personal philosophy of Juche, or self-reliance, which became a guiding light for North Korea's development"
I'm well aware of Juche, but that is not what lead to the downfall of North Korea's economy. What did destroy it was:
1. Stalinism, which destroys agriculture via collectivization, and instills a primitive concept of industry and technology.
2. Total lack of any entrepeneurial class--it all fled south.
3. A brutal and thouroughly corrupt regime which discouraged any sane person from investing in it.
4. The Korean War didn't help matters any; but the ROK was able to recover from the devastation economically because it lacked the first three handicaps (and had the US as a sugar daddy of sorts)
There were a number of foodstuffs even then that Americans did not produce in their raw form:
1. Chocolate (cocoa beans)
2. Bananas
3. Coffee (some is grown in HI, IRRC)
4. Cola nuts
5. Chicle (sp?) for chewing gum
6. Natural rubber (not a foodstuff but grown from plants)
7. "Botique" foodstuffs (caviar, anchovies etc.)
No doubt this accounted for much of those deficits.
Ping!
Hanson NEVER disappoints! This is as clear and wellwritten as ANYTHING i have ever read by him, or anyone else!
Unfortunately he doesn't note that Bush backed down a day or two later from using the term, after heat was applied.
"early 50s Stalinist-style smokestack rubbish, producing nothing worthwhile"> You hit the jackpot! That is one of the most vivid phrases I have read to sum up the entire iconic futility of Communism. I am going to use it and never fail to credit the name katyusha. I always wondered just what was going on in those factories, and what their purpose was besides pollution: I think they were just there for the photographs, mainly, and also to test out
the procedural complexities of smelting, refining, etc etc,
just sort of a massive photo-op for industrialization.
Those countries basically never produced anything that worked. Well, maybe samovars, and those little nesting egg-dolls.
Confront Ahmadinejad about his cognitive dissidence -- if Ahmadinejad believes the Holocaust happened then it shoots down his theory that "the Joos" are powerful beyond words and run the world.
A race of people can't be at one and the same time, more powerful than all others, and victims burned to death in ovens.
In Ahmadinejad's mind, he has to believe the story of the powerful "Joo" - the "Joo" who keeps all Arab and Persian cultures broken, poor, and humiliated. If Ahmadinejad were to look closely at reality, he would see that dictatorships all over the world are poor - and their citizens unhappy. When that's mixed with politically powerless women, 7th century ideas, a total lack of freedom, the results are the same: backward, ignorant, helpless, poor, angry countries. It's not the US, it's not the "joos" it's their choices. It's Muslim choices that are their own downfall.
The recipe for failure? An oppressive religion, thuggy men, powerless women and limited to nonexistent freedom. They create the failure. Their choices make Muslim countries into the totalitarian failures they are -- Ahmadinjad and Islamic fascism are lies -- lying to themselves -- lying to us. We must not buy into it.
Please add me he's brilliant.
I agree on the eery parallels. Frankly, it is frightening me.
I just finished reading "Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives", a historiography of the careers of Hitler and Stalin, year by year. Highly recommended, though it could do with a tougher editor in places. One of the main themes is that everybody underestimated these characters or chose to ignore them. Hitler was once a sideshow joke, but within 14 years he had conquered most of Europe and brought destruction onto Germany.
The same attitude of "looking away" exists today, eg with that guy who heckled our Home Secretary the other day. We cannot affored to ignore these people.
75 million Europeans lost their lives between 1910 and 1953 in the various wars and famines. That is why I am frightened. The next war will be worse, there are a lot more people on the planet, especially south of the Mediterranean.
Well, the T-34 and the Katyusha rocket worked pretty well :-).
The industrialization of Russia under Stalin *did* happen, but this is not the place to argue on the effectiveness of that program.
THe T-34 and the katyusha rocket , I dunno, just sound like things that would eventually drain an economy rather than stimulate it, and also like the FEATURED STARS in those endless "parades" through Moscow, with all the missiles positioned at an angle as if ready for launching.
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