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Islamic Fascism 101 - On all they’ve done to earn the name.
National Review ^ | 25 Sept 2006 | VDH

Posted on 09/25/2006 5:22:07 AM PDT by RKV

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To: Valin

"There's no reason why it could not have recovered...except for their policy of "Self reliance" and (it goes without saying) Communism."

That phrase should read:

"There's no reason why it could not have recovered...except for their policy of Communism."


41 posted on 09/25/2006 7:04:43 AM PDT by katyusha (Those who fail history are doomed to go to summer school)
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To: RKV

"So then you have a hunch, a theory, about this autarchy thing, that the US could make it work if we tried real hard. I don't think so. One antidote for that kind of thinking to read Adam Smith - The Wealth of Nations."


You are obviously too young to remember the period between roughly 1945-1960 when the US was, essentially, economically self-sufficient. Everything you bought whether it was a TV set, radio, automobile, toy, clothing, footwear, home appliance, flatware etc etc etc was MADE IN THE USA. Only exception would have been the diamond in the engagement ring you offered to your girlfriend after the sock hop was over!


42 posted on 09/25/2006 7:08:20 AM PDT by katyusha (Those who fail history are doomed to go to summer school)
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To: RKV

Oh, and even the gasoline you put in your De Soto or oil to heat your home came from petroleum extracted in the USA.


43 posted on 09/25/2006 7:09:33 AM PDT by katyusha (Those who fail history are doomed to go to summer school)
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To: theBuckwheat
At the risk of compromising my conservative credentials, I tend to adhere to some components of a Jungian Shadow approach, where as individuals, the part of ourselves that we've repressed come back at us as our worst nightmares until we accept it again. If you look at how this country has turned its back on spirituality, repressed it, then islam is our Shadow, our repressed spiritual life knocking hard on our door.

In the individual Shadow model, once we re-integrate the part of ourselves we left behind, the Shadow loses its "dark side" (yes, this idea was co-opted for Star Wars).

Just a quick overview. Fire away.


44 posted on 09/25/2006 7:15:47 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: SlowBoat407

"islam is our Shadow, our repressed spiritual life knocking hard on our door."

Some would say that Islam is the hornet's nest we obsessively insist on poking with a stick.


45 posted on 09/25/2006 7:18:32 AM PDT by katyusha (Those who fail history are doomed to go to summer school)
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To: katyusha

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/country_profiles/1131421.stm

After the Korean War, Kim Il-sung introduced the personal philosophy of Juche, or self-reliance, which became a guiding light for North Korea's development.


46 posted on 09/25/2006 7:28:33 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: katyusha

I have studied Economics at the graduate level (got A's by the way) so I am familiar with the Mercantilist arguments that paleo-cons such as yourself make. With respect to the falsehood you attempt to foist on us about the period 1945-1960, here are the stats. http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/past_years.html We had both trade surpluses and deficits during the period 1945-1960. Here's the more recent data - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_payments You are confusing your experience (and memory) with the actual facts. Puting an "American label" on a product does not tell the whole story as to where the raw materials and compents which made it up came from.


47 posted on 09/25/2006 7:32:35 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: SlowBoat407
Thank you for your comments. Indeed, they illustrate my point: everyone has to form their own ideas, come to their own conclusions and accept responsibility for the consequences.

We can allow other people to tell us what to believe. We can find ourselves in a Ummah that forbids any free thought or ideas contrary to the norm. Indeed, what a hell it would be to live in a country where leaving the public religion is a capital offense. That is the case in about a dozen Islamic countries today. Even a few hundred years ago that was also the case in too many areas controlled by Christians.

I accept the claims made by the God of the Bible. It would be inappropriate for me to go into my reasons on this forum in any depth. But happily I know that all readers will allow me the freedom to make my own informed choice, just as I must allow them the same freedom. That is the precious nature of our present society.

Islam does not allow anyone that freedom. It cannot and never will.
48 posted on 09/25/2006 7:37:44 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Valin

"After the Korean War, Kim Il-sung introduced the personal philosophy of Juche, or self-reliance, which became a guiding light for North Korea's development"

I'm well aware of Juche, but that is not what lead to the downfall of North Korea's economy. What did destroy it was:

1. Stalinism, which destroys agriculture via collectivization, and instills a primitive concept of industry and technology.
2. Total lack of any entrepeneurial class--it all fled south.
3. A brutal and thouroughly corrupt regime which discouraged any sane person from investing in it.
4. The Korean War didn't help matters any; but the ROK was able to recover from the devastation economically because it lacked the first three handicaps (and had the US as a sugar daddy of sorts)


49 posted on 09/25/2006 7:43:37 AM PDT by katyusha (Those who fail history are doomed to go to summer school)
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To: RKV

There were a number of foodstuffs even then that Americans did not produce in their raw form:

1. Chocolate (cocoa beans)
2. Bananas
3. Coffee (some is grown in HI, IRRC)
4. Cola nuts
5. Chicle (sp?) for chewing gum
6. Natural rubber (not a foodstuff but grown from plants)
7. "Botique" foodstuffs (caviar, anchovies etc.)

No doubt this accounted for much of those deficits.


50 posted on 09/25/2006 7:51:49 AM PDT by katyusha (Those who fail history are doomed to go to summer school)
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To: RKV
Everything I Ever Needed to Know About Islam I Learned on 9/11

51 posted on 09/25/2006 7:54:20 AM PDT by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: katyusha
Yes. That's why I said "it goes without saying communism". But Juche is also a major part of their "theory" of government.
52 posted on 09/25/2006 8:06:17 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Salem; SJackson; Alouette; ArrogantBustard; NYer; Salvation; Knitting A Conundrum; bornacatholic; ..

Ping!


53 posted on 09/25/2006 8:16:06 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Regarding islam: Osculate meas Sanctas Romanas nates (with thanks to Alouette for translation))
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To: Tolik

Hanson NEVER disappoints! This is as clear and wellwritten as ANYTHING i have ever read by him, or anyone else!
Unfortunately he doesn't note that Bush backed down a day or two later from using the term, after heat was applied.


54 posted on 09/25/2006 8:17:32 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: katyusha

"early 50s Stalinist-style smokestack rubbish, producing nothing worthwhile"> You hit the jackpot! That is one of the most vivid phrases I have read to sum up the entire iconic futility of Communism. I am going to use it and never fail to credit the name katyusha. I always wondered just what was going on in those factories, and what their purpose was besides pollution: I think they were just there for the photographs, mainly, and also to test out
the procedural complexities of smelting, refining, etc etc,
just sort of a massive photo-op for industrialization.
Those countries basically never produced anything that worked. Well, maybe samovars, and those little nesting egg-dolls.


55 posted on 09/25/2006 8:24:33 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: RKV

Confront Ahmadinejad about his cognitive dissidence -- if Ahmadinejad believes the Holocaust happened then it shoots down his theory that "the Joos" are powerful beyond words and run the world.

A race of people can't be at one and the same time, more powerful than all others, and victims burned to death in ovens.

In Ahmadinejad's mind, he has to believe the story of the powerful "Joo" - the "Joo" who keeps all Arab and Persian cultures broken, poor, and humiliated. If Ahmadinejad were to look closely at reality, he would see that dictatorships all over the world are poor - and their citizens unhappy. When that's mixed with politically powerless women, 7th century ideas, a total lack of freedom, the results are the same: backward, ignorant, helpless, poor, angry countries. It's not the US, it's not the "joos" it's their choices. It's Muslim choices that are their own downfall.

The recipe for failure? An oppressive religion, thuggy men, powerless women and limited to nonexistent freedom. They create the failure. Their choices make Muslim countries into the totalitarian failures they are -- Ahmadinjad and Islamic fascism are lies -- lying to themselves -- lying to us. We must not buy into it.


56 posted on 09/25/2006 8:25:16 AM PDT by GOPJ (Muslim outrage would be taken more seriously if Muslims weren't such "double standard" hypocrites.)
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To: Tolik

Please add me he's brilliant.


57 posted on 09/25/2006 8:26:02 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: The Great RJ
The parallels between today and the 1930's are chilling. The Democratic party is no different than the appeasers in Neville Chamberlain's Labour Party and the voice of pacifism in the likes of Cindy Sheehan is just as shrill as in the 1930's. The American isolationists who urged us to stay out of Europe's war, today are embodied in the Sen Murtha's who call again for retreat to fortress America. W can only hope that a leader like Winston Churchill will emerge to galvanize world opinion to oppose this global fascism.

I agree on the eery parallels. Frankly, it is frightening me.

I just finished reading "Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives", a historiography of the careers of Hitler and Stalin, year by year. Highly recommended, though it could do with a tougher editor in places. One of the main themes is that everybody underestimated these characters or chose to ignore them. Hitler was once a sideshow joke, but within 14 years he had conquered most of Europe and brought destruction onto Germany.

The same attitude of "looking away" exists today, eg with that guy who heckled our Home Secretary the other day. We cannot affored to ignore these people.

75 million Europeans lost their lives between 1910 and 1953 in the various wars and famines. That is why I am frightened. The next war will be worse, there are a lot more people on the planet, especially south of the Mediterranean.

58 posted on 09/25/2006 8:38:15 AM PDT by alnitak ("That kid's about as sharp as a pound of wet liver" - Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: supremedoctrine; katyusha
Those countries basically never produced anything that worked. Well, maybe samovars, and those little nesting egg-dolls.

Well, the T-34 and the Katyusha rocket worked pretty well :-).

The industrialization of Russia under Stalin *did* happen, but this is not the place to argue on the effectiveness of that program.

59 posted on 09/25/2006 8:41:34 AM PDT by alnitak ("That kid's about as sharp as a pound of wet liver" - Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: alnitak

THe T-34 and the katyusha rocket , I dunno, just sound like things that would eventually drain an economy rather than stimulate it, and also like the FEATURED STARS in those endless "parades" through Moscow, with all the missiles positioned at an angle as if ready for launching.


60 posted on 09/25/2006 8:57:51 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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