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Meet the Next President: George Allen stays the course
The Examiner ^ | Sept 19 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 09/26/2006 5:25:38 AM PDT by PghBaldy

HARDY, Va. - If Republicans decide to replicate the style and substance of President Bush when nominating a potential successor in 2008, they will likely choose another conservative named George.

George Allen, that is, the junior senator from Virginia, who agrees with Bush on most major issues. On their few points of disagreement, such as immigration and campaign finance, Allen sides with the more conservative Republicans who will dominate primary election voting.

“I like him very much — I consider him a friend,” Allen says of Bush in an interview with The Examiner. “And I know a lot of people like to criticize him. We even have Republicans distancing themselves from him because his approval ratings are in the 30s.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: allen; betterthanrice; georgeallen; nope; virginia
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To: AmishDude
Yes, totally. Young man had a promising future, then he fell in with a crowd of ruffians, and next thing you know he's hauling slop to the hogs.

I'm not his daddy and he can't come back!

151 posted on 09/26/2006 9:00:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: linda_22003
Naw, just a bit of experience with a selection of nut-cases like you wouldn't believe. Actually spent a number of years working for USPS "Consumer Advocate", and boy do they call ~ we even detected a "rising full moon" effect ~ they are all out there.

You must never forget the type, and Donald fits the envelope.

152 posted on 09/26/2006 9:01:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AmishDude
You're made a claim (or am I mistaken?) that Newt kept his promise e.g. that he putthe CWA to a "vote." Thus, the burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence.

Then again, you could continue to make claims that have no basis in the evidence and then try to shift the burden of proof to anyone who questions your factual claims (which I suspect you will do).

153 posted on 09/26/2006 9:01:50 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: linda_22003

I'm just saying that this is why they call it a modified Mohawk. He's since gotten a haircut to make it look like the Allen campaign was crazy.

I do not believe, like another poster on this thread, that the haircut is making a political statement of any kind. I just think it looks incredibly stupid.


154 posted on 09/26/2006 9:03:25 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
That's the same haircut the South Indian fellow who shot all those folks in Montreal had.

There's something behind it ~ I suspect it's an association with a terrorist group based in India.

Or, he just made one heck of a mistake in selecting barbers.

155 posted on 09/26/2006 9:03:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Captain Kirk

No, the burden is on you to prove that the CwA was "violated". You brought it up, chief.


156 posted on 09/26/2006 9:04:16 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude

It's a college kid haircut, so by definition it is "incredibly stupid". If the picture I posted is more recent, he's discovered, like a lot of college kids, that when you get out of college it's time to grow up and grow it out.

I agree with you that I don't see a political statement. Since the kid was born in Fairfax County, he's more "Virginian" than Allen is! :)


157 posted on 09/26/2006 9:06:14 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: muawiyah
Here is a pic of the (alleged) Montreal shooter:

He is, according to reports, of Indian origin but he's also just plain nuts. He was fascinated with Columbine and had a death wish.

I can't get an image of Kimveer Gill from the side.

158 posted on 09/26/2006 9:12:23 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: linda_22003

I see LOTS of college-kid haircuts. Nobody asks for the Mr. T meets Forrest Gump. Nobody. I've seen weird dye jobs, piercings of every variety, etc. Nobody wears the lazy man's mohawk.


159 posted on 09/26/2006 9:14:28 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Welike ike

I think Haley would be good also...but the liberal media would have a field day with him.


160 posted on 09/26/2006 9:43:01 AM PDT by YoungSoutherner
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To: kabar
A tiger is a tiger. The media will take Allen's statements and run with them forever. It is unavoidable. It's who they are. However, I can differentiate between the smear campaign (like going back for college buddies to see if George ever uttered a dirty word or racial slur) and Allen's own words. Simply replaying Allen's macaca remarks over and over is enough to drive away most of the minority vote. Smears are unnecessary and overkill.

My concern is not borne of the media storm but rather the amount of wincing I do when I hear the original sound bite. Will I support him if the is the nominee? Absolutely. And I'll work as hard for him as I did for GWB. But he stands little chance of pulling together the demographical support he will need to win. It was a Gary Hart moment for those old enough to remember "Monkey Business."

161 posted on 09/26/2006 10:42:41 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Treaty Fetishism: "[The] belief that a piece of paper will alter the behavior of thugs." R. Lowry.)
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To: PghBaldy
Meet the Next President: George Allen stays the course

Still nope, for reasons of ideology far more than style.

George Allen for Senate.

162 posted on 09/26/2006 10:46:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (What man still doesn't know about God's creation is still enough to fill a universe...)
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To: NonValueAdded
Simply replaying Allen's macaca remarks over and over is enough to drive away most of the minority vote. Smears are unnecessary and overkill.

Do you know what macaca meant before this flap? Did anyone there know what it meant? How many Americans know what it meant? If Allen had used monkey instead of macaca, would that have been a big deal? This is a manufactured smear job.

My concern is not borne of the media storm but rather the amount of wincing I do when I hear the original sound bite. Will I support him if the is the nominee?

Spare me. I found it to be harmless. He was making fun of his opponent's political operative who was taping everything he said. The MSM and the Webb campaign had to research what this North African expression meant before they could express mock outrage. The fact that it sounded like Kaka was why it reasonated with those present.

I find it amazing how people can be manipulated by the MSM. You wince because they have conditioned you to respond that way.

163 posted on 09/26/2006 10:57:14 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Dixie Yooper

What are you talking about, you freaking rino, Bob Dole was the next coming of reagan!!


/Sarcasm...


164 posted on 09/26/2006 11:06:22 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: advance_copy; seanmerc

A few months ago an article was released where hillary admitted that the candidate she feared the most was george allen.


165 posted on 09/26/2006 11:08:01 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: angkor

Look on the bright side, of all the '08 candidates allen is getting a sample of what the media will throw at them in '08. This way he'll be ready and the others will not. Better him learn how to deal with the entire media assault now than in '08.


166 posted on 09/26/2006 11:11:02 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: PghBaldy

How is huckabee on that list but not romney? Huckabee has no shot at the '08 spot, he's a complete liberal and the club for growth documents it well.


167 posted on 09/26/2006 11:12:48 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: Gone GF

Weekly standard was no fan of bush either, if i recall correctly bill kristol(their editor) is a big mccain fan.


168 posted on 09/26/2006 11:14:42 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe

Nice to see someone else read breach of trust by dr tom. I wish more newt fans would read it so they could see the real picture of their 'hero'. Everytime i suggest it they go bezerk and accuse coburn of being a hack/rino... lol.. the irony of that. Tom coburn is the one person i think is the farthest from it.


169 posted on 09/26/2006 11:18:24 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A COMMITTED LIBERAL EFFORT TO DESTROY A CONSERVATIVE U.S. SENATOR (ALLEN) BUT WHAT IS MOST STOMACH TURNING IS THAT SOME CONSERVATIVES ARE ACTUALLY JOINING IN ON IT BY BASHING ALLEN OR BELIEVING THE SPIN BY THE LIBERAL MEDIA.

This needs to be repeated over and over again. Sadly instead of closing ranks , a lot of pubbies are playing politics becuase of '08.

170 posted on 09/26/2006 11:32:06 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: section9

Your forgeting that in close senate races in virginia, 4-5 points has usually been the margin. Virginia is not that red.

John Warner took on Mark Warner in 1996 and won (when virginia was much redder(before the nova boom)) by 52-47, Allen won in 2000 against chuck robb by 52-48. I think a lot of people think that Virginia here is south carolina or utah.


171 posted on 09/26/2006 11:50:50 AM PDT by SDGOP
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To: SDGOP
"Bob Dole was the next coming of reagan"

If he had been doing the Viagra ads at the same time as the election, Bill Clinton would have been a 4 year president.
172 posted on 09/26/2006 12:07:00 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: seanmerc
Sorry, that's just crazy.

So is wishing George Allen will become the next president.

173 posted on 09/26/2006 12:07:03 PM PDT by meandog (While Bush will never fill them, Clinton isn't fit to even lick the soles of Reagan's shoes!)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Lol, sad but probably true. Clinton was very vunerable in 1996, and we blew it.


174 posted on 09/26/2006 12:24:40 PM PDT by SDGOP
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To: meandog

Who do you support? Get off the fence. Don't say you haven't decided. That's a cop-out--a Rat tactic (opposition for the sake of opposition, not because you have a better idea). All we know right now is that you think it's crazy to wish that Allen would be the next President, and that you favor the complete and indiscriminate legalization of drugs. I'm calling you out right now--who do you want to become the next President?


175 posted on 09/26/2006 12:45:04 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

I support Jim Webb for the Senate and the Republican nominee, whomever that is, in the 2008 presidential race--(unless the Dem nominee happens to be Zell Miller and the Republicans cave and nominate someone like George Allen)


176 posted on 09/26/2006 12:49:34 PM PDT by meandog (While Bush will never fill them, Clinton isn't fit to even lick the soles of Reagan's shoes!)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Dan Quayle? What did he do in office. I think Gore and Cheny were said to have been the hardest workers in office of recent times.


177 posted on 09/26/2006 12:55:27 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: kabar
Republican/Conservative voters regularly diss office holders and candidates who don't fight back, seem weak, cave, ect.

Then at the very first attack by the media/DNC, rightwing voters wilt, which is why we have so many RINO's, because real Conservative candidates either won't run or lose.

They know no one has their back when the going gets rough.
178 posted on 09/26/2006 1:04:01 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: meandog

I knew it! You have been spouting the Webb campaign talking points since this morning. You sound more like a Rat troll than ever. You support the Rat Senate candidate and would help give control of the Senate over to the likes of Harry Reid, Robert Byrd and Ted "the Swimmer" Kennedy. Not only that, you don't have the guts to tell us who you WOULD support for President in 2008. Instead, you hide behind the name of Zell Miller, who you know has zero chance to be the Democratic nominee, and you refuse to name the specific Republican candidate that you would support.

First and foremost, Webb is a Rat. If you support him, you must be a Rat too.


179 posted on 09/26/2006 1:04:49 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc
Rat troll for sure, voting for Saddam and Sons's "stability" brigade!
180 posted on 09/26/2006 1:10:35 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: napscoordinator
"Dan Quayle? What did he do in office"

He did nothing but take heat from the press for being GHW's surprise choice for a running mate. Never wander from the media's list of choices for VP. They will never let you or the person you pick live it down.
181 posted on 09/26/2006 1:13:33 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: roses of sharon
They know no one has their back when the going gets rough.

True enough. Trent Lott gets kicked from his leadership slot because of a remark at a birthday party. Livingston resigns because of an extramarital affair. In contrast, the Dems have a former member of the KKK who not too long ago used the N word in a television interview. Hillary calls them "Jew bastards" and her run for the presidency is not tarnished in the slighest. Al Sharpton was a candidate for the nomination despite his race baiting, which resulted in seveal deaths and a damaged reputations. Barney Frank has a male prostitution ring run out of his apartment. Ted Kennedy's negligence causes the death of one of his staffers and gets off scot free. I could go on and on.

We have endured this double standard long enough. A relatively harmless remark by Allen now, according to many Reps, rules out his chances for the Presidency. The Dems pile on about his alleged use of the N word as a college student, which Allen strenuously denies. His Jewish grandfather, unlike Albright's and Wesley Clark' s Jewish roots, becomes a cause celebre. We are our own worst enemy.

182 posted on 09/26/2006 1:17:45 PM PDT by kabar
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To: seanmerc
I knew it! You have been spouting the Webb campaign talking points since this morning. You sound more like a Rat troll than ever. You support the Rat Senate candidate and would help give control of the Senate over to the likes of Harry Reid, Robert Byrd and Ted "the Swimmer" Kennedy. Not only that, you don't have the guts to tell us who you WOULD support for President in 2008. Instead, you hide behind the name of Zell Miller, who you know has zero chance to be the Democratic nominee, and you refuse to name the specific Republican candidate that you would support

I truly believe anyone who votes party affiliation alone to be a fool! I'm voting for Webb because I believe him to be the better candidate, and one who will better represent me by not ignoring my letters (as Allen has done). I told you whom I plan to vote for in the presidential race...In retrospect I suppose I should have said I'm voting against the Democratic challenger as he/she is certain to be as extremely left-leaning as you are on the opposite spectrum.

183 posted on 09/26/2006 1:20:35 PM PDT by meandog (While Bush will never fill them, Clinton isn't fit to even lick the soles of Reagan's shoes!)
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To: Stallone

"The long knives are out for Allen, because he represents the biggest threat in a generation to Democrats. "

He's also a threat to Rinos. I suspect a lot of the anti-Allen posters here are plants from the Giulani and McCain campaigns. Not everybody, but enough of these posters show up on every thread within the first few posts to declare Allen's chances nil, that you wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to kill his chances. It isn't like FreeRepublic hasn't been used and abused before, it's a pretty central clearing house. Heaven knows the Buchanan troops were nasty, as were the McCainiacs.


184 posted on 09/26/2006 1:24:47 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote

Pretty much like you on the Romney thread?

SZ


185 posted on 09/26/2006 1:25:50 PM PDT by SZonian (Fighting Caliphobia one detractor at a time)
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To: PghBaldy

I like George Allen, he would make a fine President.


186 posted on 09/26/2006 4:04:34 PM PDT by FreeRep
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To: meandog
one who will better represent me by not ignoring my letters (as Allen has done)

(a) Have you written to Webb? What does he say?
(b) Who the hell do you think you are?
(c) Has it ever occured to you that Allen's staff ignores your pissant little missives for the same reason that Jessica Simpson does?

187 posted on 09/26/2006 4:12:24 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: seanmerc
My thoughts exactly, about the democrap smear machine. The dems were smearing George W. Bush before the public even knew he was running for Pres.
188 posted on 09/26/2006 4:15:37 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: meandog
"Gracie Allen would be more presidential than George Felix Allen and she's been dead for 50 years! "

This coming from a guy who likes McCain because of the unConstitutional Campaign Finance Reform Bill. Pathetic.

189 posted on 09/26/2006 4:18:42 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: meandog; Jim Robinson
" I'm voting for Webb"

Here's a guy that's admits he's voting for a democrat senatorial candidate in 2006..... AND is a fan of John McCain. How long are you going to allow him to soil your living room rug?

190 posted on 09/26/2006 4:24:19 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: meandog
I'm voting for Webb because I believe him to be the better candidate

Webb is a racist bastard.

191 posted on 09/26/2006 4:27:33 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: bmwcyle

You really should at least put quotation marks when quoting someone. You wouldn't want folks to think you are voting for a rat, would you?


192 posted on 09/26/2006 4:34:31 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert

I'm pissed at meandog. What an idiot.


193 posted on 09/26/2006 4:37:25 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: bmwcyle

He's a democrat......same thing.


194 posted on 09/26/2006 4:48:54 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: meandog


Nah. You're just sore at George Allen for not answering your mail.

Guess he ignores whiners.


195 posted on 09/26/2006 4:53:17 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: AmishDude
"Has it ever occured to you that Allen's staff ignores your pissant little missives for the same reason that Jessica Simpson does?"

ROFLMAO! Well Jessica does respond to ME (so does Britney), with signed photos, so I must be special..... :^)

Actually, I've never written to a non-political celeb, though I have gotten some nice boilerplate form letters back from various politicians.
196 posted on 09/26/2006 5:00:30 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: shekkian

Your comparison is more than outlandish, it shows you know nothing about Newt, or about Gore.


197 posted on 09/26/2006 5:59:02 PM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: SDGOP

I would hope they aren't finished yet. Romney has some very good qualities (especially his handling of the former Iranian President).


198 posted on 09/26/2006 9:37:42 PM PDT by PghBaldy (What did Sandy Burglar steal from the archives? Why has he been treated with kid gloves?)
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To: PghBaldy

WEll my reference was to the list someone posted, i didn't see romney's name on there. It had Allen, Mccain, Rudy, and Huckabee. Huckabee has no shot of the nomination. We all have our preferences, but i think most honest objective observers can say that the nomination comes down to Mccain, Rudy, Allen, and Romney. (Although if you go over to redstate, everyone over there has never thought of allen as a serious contender).


199 posted on 09/26/2006 11:35:13 PM PDT by SDGOP
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To: kabar

kabar - Don't subscribe to the Wash Post - just read it on-line. I don't want to give them my money, but I want to know what they are up to.

Agreed on the George Allen hit job though - it is so blatant but not unexpected. Allen needs to come out with both barrels blasting on the whole N-word story - he can't sit back and hope it goes away.


200 posted on 09/27/2006 5:11:02 AM PDT by Cathy
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