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Professor (Larry Sabato) Says Senator Used Racial Slur
AP ^ | 09/26/06

Posted on 09/26/2006 7:50:21 AM PDT by Pokey78

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- A noted political scientist joined one of Sen. George Allen's former college football teammates in claiming the senator used a racial slur to refer to blacks in the early 1970s, a claim Allen dismisses as ''ludicrously false.''

Larry J. Sabato, one of Virginia's most-quoted political science professors and a classmate of Allen's in the early 1970s, said in a televised interview Monday that Allen used the epithet.

Sabato's assertion came on the heels of accusations by Dr. Ken Shelton, a radiologist who was a tight end and wide receiver for the University of Virginia in the early 1970s when Allen was quarterback. He said Allen not only used the n-word frequently but also once stuffed a severed deer head into a black family's mailbox.

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1 posted on 09/26/2006 7:50:22 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78

Of course keeping in mind that what is today considered a "racial slurr" was often the "standard" terminology used in the Early 70's (and before)- prior to the PC police deciding they know better how Americans are to speak.


2 posted on 09/26/2006 7:51:51 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: Pokey78

Seems Larry wants to play hard and heavy. I hope he is clean. Heaven forbid anyone finds an uncomplementary quote from his past. I would guess he has tenure, so he has nothing to worry about. God I hate liberals, they are so sleazy.


3 posted on 09/26/2006 7:52:48 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: Pokey78
I heard him say this on hardball, but he never gave a source or a first hand account. It was a totally irresponsible statement for a supposedly neutral pollster to make. And if true, it is 32 years old. What about KKK Byrd a couple years ago?
4 posted on 09/26/2006 7:53:14 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: Pokey78
The lefty's on the internet are going to destroy what little crdibility the media has left.

By allowing the left "blogosmear" to drive their coverage the media has gone over the edge.

5 posted on 09/26/2006 7:54:28 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Pokey78

And what do we know about Professor Sabato, other than he is the "most quoted professor in the land"?


6 posted on 09/26/2006 7:54:47 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: Pokey78

The Dims and the media are desperate.


7 posted on 09/26/2006 7:54:56 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: Pokey78

Once again, where was Prof. Sabato in 1993 when Allen ran for Governor? Or in 2000 when he was running for Senate for the first time? These sudden recollections are appearing less credible by the day.


8 posted on 09/26/2006 7:55:14 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: tigtog

First they said he is a JEW! Now they say he is a racist, next they will say he is GAY. In the future they will say he is an ALIEN from outer space. The Dems and Webb must be losing the campaign.


9 posted on 09/26/2006 7:55:22 AM PDT by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: tigtog

"Hey, Larry, is that a dead animal on your head?"

So, where was Larry when Allen first ran for the Senate, ran for governor; and ran for the US House?

All of sudden Larry Bananas and all of the Democrats in VA think George Allen uses bad language?

BTW,Will someone please tell me what qualifies Mr. Webb to be in the Senate?


10 posted on 09/26/2006 7:55:52 AM PDT by RexBeach (Will Rogers Never Met Bill Clinton.)
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To: Pokey78

Larry Sabato is a waste of oxygen.


11 posted on 09/26/2006 7:56:00 AM PDT by moondoggie
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To: elc
And what do we know about Professor Sabato, other than he is the "most quoted professor in the land"?

That he's virtually never right?

12 posted on 09/26/2006 7:56:16 AM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Howlin

Well then, no wonder the media quotes him all the time.


13 posted on 09/26/2006 7:57:44 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: mortal19440

I tried to watch the video on MSBC's site, but I can't. Does anyone have a transcript?


14 posted on 09/26/2006 7:58:13 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: Pokey78

Uhmm... I heard him say it too, that thing, that all those other guys heard him say. I just didn't say nothin' before now 'cause... uh...  And so did my cousin, in Canada..

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.


15 posted on 09/26/2006 7:59:07 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: TheBattman
Nice to see the Senate race here is really being discussed on the issues.

They cannot talk the issues because they would lose.

This is the biggest, most tense and committed liberal-media complex alliance formed to get somebody out of office, that I have seen in many years.

16 posted on 09/26/2006 8:00:55 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (..is an American allright, but is not in Japan, folks. Thanks for letting me keep the moniker.)
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To: tigtog

Larry was a fourth-year student when I was an entering first-year coed at UVA. He was well-known, even back then, a darling of the faculty. I believe that he was president of the student body; whatever he was, he was making a big splash. They saw that he would be a star. Then I heard rumors that he was taking faculty support a bit too far. He stopped attending classes regularly because he was so busy doing his thing. Never heard how it was resolved. But criticism of such star was unusual. I didn't know anyone who knew him personally.


17 posted on 09/26/2006 8:01:11 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Pokey78
The AP claims Shelton supports both Dems and Republicans, but give no source.

The Left's blogo-smear only hurts the Left media.

19 posted on 09/26/2006 8:02:29 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Pokey78

What he said was that he could believe Allen said such a thing. He refused to say that he actually heard him say it. I, too, can believe 10 impossible things before breakfast.


20 posted on 09/26/2006 8:02:31 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: RexBeach

If what Larry says was true about the deers head, then there should be a newspaper account of it. Has anyone looked?


21 posted on 09/26/2006 8:02:35 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Howlin

DUH........I posted that on the wrong thread!!!


22 posted on 09/26/2006 8:02:50 AM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Pokey78

Unless there's a recording somewhere, how on earth would Larry Sabato know what George Allen said in the 1970s? Liberal Larry has totally discredited himself with this one.


23 posted on 09/26/2006 8:05:07 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Pokey78

Did Sabato say that he heard him use the n word, or that he had direct knowledge of the deer head in the mailbox incident?


24 posted on 09/26/2006 8:05:26 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Pokey78

From Wiki:

In June of 2005, Allen was a co-sponsor of a resolution that had the Senate formally apologize for never passing federal legislation against lynching despite nearly 5,000 deaths from this between 1882 and 1968. Discussing the resolution, Allen said in the Senate: "I rise today to offer a formal and heartfelt apology to all the victims of lynching in our history, and for the failure of the United States Senate to take action when action was most needed."

Allen has joined calls for the Senate to consider an apology for slavery. However, in late May of 2006 he began to back away from the proposal, saying that "[s]o far, we haven't seen much of a coalition of support for it".

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This coming from a racist?


25 posted on 09/26/2006 8:06:07 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: Pokey78

Isn't "Sabato," the Italian word for, "Macaca"?


26 posted on 09/26/2006 8:06:39 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: twigs

Can you ask around your college friends and see what they remember? Shoosh, we have all said and done stupid things in college, its part of growing up. I would like to know what Larry was doing at college. Based on your description he was sort of a panty waist teachers pet. Is that correct?


27 posted on 09/26/2006 8:07:25 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: TheBattman

"Of course keeping in mind that what is today considered a "racial slurr" was often the "standard" terminology used in the Early 70's (and before)- prior to the PC police deciding they know better how Americans are to speak."


That is absurd, You must be a very gullible guy to believe that nonsense.





28 posted on 09/26/2006 8:08:35 AM PDT by ansel12 ( sin holds a sway over their lives to the point where boldness begins to be craved.)
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To: Pokey78

We can blast these dumb stories all we want, but these constant charges on Allen are taking their toll. He has been dropping significantly in the polls and may lose his seat.

If Allen loses, the Republicans lose the Senate. And then we're all really screwed.


29 posted on 09/26/2006 8:09:51 AM PDT by GianniV
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To: Pokey78

Have to go all the way back to the 70's???? Why stop there? Why not publish that Allen called his next-door neighbor a wop when he was 6 years old?


30 posted on 09/26/2006 8:11:12 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Clinton "tried", 3000 died)
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To: TheBattman

"what is today considered a "racial slurr" was often the "standard" terminology used in the Early 70's (and before)"

Ummm, I was alive in the early 1970s. The "N" word was consisdered insulting then too. Polite then was either negro or colored. "PC" is often just an attempt at forced polite-ness after all.

Your argument may have held water in say the 1870s.

Whether that makes a man a biggot now--for what he said 30 years ago--is a totally different matter.


31 posted on 09/26/2006 8:11:40 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: tigtog

The same people who are targeting Allen had no problem with many witnesses saying Jimmy Carter used this word and other disparaging terms many times before he ran for president in '76.


32 posted on 09/26/2006 8:12:04 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Pokey78

I went to high school in Harlem in the mid-sixties. I had a number of black friends. They would routinely call each other, "nigger" and often would call the white guys, "nigger". Of course we would return the epithet. It was all in fun and no one's feelings were even hurt.


33 posted on 09/26/2006 8:12:31 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Pokey78

George Allen much be a decent person if these people had to go back thirty years in order to find something to use against him. Always suspicious of those who resort to using the race card.


34 posted on 09/26/2006 8:13:03 AM PDT by True Grit
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To: Pokey78

Allen needs to word his statements a little better. But he did not say the claim he said the n-word was "ludicrously false".

IN fact, he said he could never remember saying the word, and that it wasn't part of his vocabulary, not then and not now, it's not part of what he is.

He said shelton's story was ludicrously false. Shelton claimed Allen was a racist and used the word all the time, a claim refuted by 16 team members who don't remember Allen doing anything racist. He claimed Allen gave him the nickname "wizard" because his name was identical to a klan leader -- but other teammates say he already had the nickname when Allen showed up, and they all said it was because he was good at catching the ball.

He claimed Allen said he came to school in Virginia because blacks "knew their place". It's impossible to prove that a conversation heard by only two people didn't take place, but everybody else remembers that Allen came to Virginia because his family moved here to coach the Redskins.

And he had that story about the deer head, which has no corroberation at all, and for whom the other participant just died a couple of months ago, so is not available to refute the story.

Logically, there's something amiss here. I could well imagine Allen, a young backup quarterback, sitting with a bunch of white people and they start talking "70's southern" and the next thing you know someone uses "n-word" instead of black and nobody cares. I can imagine him joking back to people who might be racists in a way that might be racist.

I can't imagine that a person would do the deer head thing, and NOT tell it to his other friends ever in his life. Why would he share that moment with Shelton, and nobody else? That doesn't make sense -- shelton wasn't his best friend in college.


35 posted on 09/26/2006 8:13:07 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: twigs
According to the Allen campaign, the only other person who supposedly was there for the deer-head incident is dead. How conveeeeenient. Allen now has to prove a negative. Ken Shelton is also a huge anti-tobacco activist. The Allen campaign has produced statements from five other teammates of Allen's who say this is all a bunch of crap. Shelton had the nickname of "Wizard" before George Allen even got to UVA. Everyone on the team called him that because of his extraordinary talent at wide receiver. That should tell you how much credibility to give anything else he says. Larry Sabato did not play football and I doubt had much if anything to do with George Allen on campus.

This has to go down as the worst campaign in history. I have never in 40 years of politics seen so many smears come out in such a short time. I'm frankly stunned by it. Who did George Allen piss off to make them come after him like this? Are the liberals that afraid of him as a presidential candidate? He's a genuinely nice guy who was a great governor and has been a good Senator. What did he do to deserve such smears?

I am not an Allen for President supporter, but I lived in Virginia when he was governor and voted for him for Senator in 2000. I have met him and his lovely wife, Susan, on numerous occasions. I am totally incensed by this unfair attack, and all good people should be.

36 posted on 09/26/2006 8:13:21 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Vote as if your life depends on it -- because it does!!!)
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To: TNCMAXQ

Alright then, I think we need to ask Larry to produce the "blue dress" to substantiate his claims. Maybe there is some audio recording that can prove his point. Too bad that UVA has professors who like to make insidious and slanderous comments about people right before an election.


37 posted on 09/26/2006 8:15:45 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: Pokey78

Interesting little tidbit in this piece:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0609.sinderbrand.html

Apparently, the Allen campaign had recently accused Sabato of being partisan. Perhaps he's a bit angry now?


38 posted on 09/26/2006 8:16:03 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: GianniV

He is NOT dropping in the polls. he bottomed out at around 50% and is now sustaining it. Unless you want to cite current reliable polls to prove otherwise, quit making this accusation.

Second, these attacks are NOT having an effect. The problem is that Allen chose to do the Trent Lott apology circuit which worked for Lott so well he was stripped of ML status.

It's HOW Allen responded, not the critisism themselves, that hurt him originally.

The reason the Left is fabricating this latest issue is because THEY know the polls have stabilized in Allen's favor, and they want to replicate the results with the last. It won't Allen, unless he decides to do another apology circuit.

BTW, it's pathteic that their supposedly great candidate has no other way tocause waves in the race. It just re-affirms my assessment that the conservatives fawning over him when he was the announced candidate, were fools.


39 posted on 09/26/2006 8:16:33 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: AnalogReigns

The n word was a slurr but it was no big deal if you said it.

As the only non white in a small town, I heard all kinds of crap on a 24/7 basis and frankly, it was not a big deal to me then and is not a big deal to me now.

This whole thing is stupid and it is also why "the politics of personal destruction" is causing us to have very poor candidates.


40 posted on 09/26/2006 8:18:03 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Pokey78

Anyway, as I said Allen should have been more clear about the "never remember saying it". He should have stuck with the part about not being what he was, and that he wasn't racist in college, and he got along with everybody, and that if he ever inadvertently used the n-word he was very sorry.

It wouldn't have admittede anything more. It would have allowed for the fact that a few people were bound to either remember, or misremember, him saying it or something like it, while emphasizing that it was years ago and it isn't what he is today.

You never want to blanketly deny EVER having said something, because you'll never prove you didn't, but since you asserted it, you now are somewhat obligated to answer ever charge, or eventually admit you might have.

If you say that you probably DID use the word, but that you were embarrased now about it and apoligize for it and acknowledge that the word is offensive and inappropriate, then when new people come out you can point back to your apology.

I've been impressed by Senator Allen on the issues. I'm not that impressed by his campaign skills. Problem is, his past races have been against men of principle, and were pre-internet-slimes. I think he is a "genteel" type, and wasn't used to people just smearing him for no reason.


41 posted on 09/26/2006 8:18:32 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Pokey78

30+ years ago and he is just now deciding he is offended by the supposed statements. And what about Sabato? Did he speak up for himself or others, call Allen on these alleged racist slurs at the time? No? Then sit down and shut up.


42 posted on 09/26/2006 8:18:42 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: Soul Seeker

When was the last poll given in the Senate race and what are the numbers? Has there been a poll given since the Salon article came out?


43 posted on 09/26/2006 8:18:47 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Who did George Allen piss off to make them come after him like this?

Hillary.

44 posted on 09/26/2006 8:19:42 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: tigtog

I don't stay in touch with anyone from my class. And I changed majors and graduated a year later than I should have, so they were not there when he was. Just going on memory and impressions, he seemed to be a serious political animal even then and was carving out a career. I am not the least surprised that his center is located at UVA. I'm sure that they wanted him back. That's what made the criticism I heard at the time so surprising. No other student during my stay there got the kind of star attention that he did. I heard that Katie Coruic did later on, and I was in grad school then, but I never heard of her until more recently. It would be difficult to reconstruct what Larry was doing at college unless you find some of his close friends. There were several thousand entering students in my class.


45 posted on 09/26/2006 8:20:15 AM PDT by twigs
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To: staytrue

The only way to end this biannual Dem race baiting crap is to make them pay for it. Shame them. It is time that the race hustlers pay for their sh*t. A campaign to boycott the WaPo and Channel 9 would be a start.


46 posted on 09/26/2006 8:21:04 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: Pokey78

What's funny/sad about this is that are using the remarks that a 21-year old made before:

a) he graduated college.
b) he entered the workforce.
c) he was married.
d) he had any life experienced as an adult on his own.

Yet, we're expected to believe that this tiny, tiny slice 30 years in his past reveals his true inner thoughts and beliefs?


47 posted on 09/26/2006 8:24:11 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: LWalk18

There was a Rasmussen poll last week showing Allen gaining a bit, as I recall. He was ahead 50-43 and the headline said something like Allen had bottomed out and was recovering. That was before these other 'ethnic' controversies though. We'd better hope he wins or it might take a miracle for Republicans to keep their Senate majority.

NY Times election projection page shows VA as one of those seats that is leaning Republican. They also have TN and MO in that category though every poll in those states has shown the Dem ahead, sadly.


48 posted on 09/26/2006 8:25:53 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: elc

Don't know if anyone has posted this yet:

Larry Sabato's campaign donations (from Open Secrets) - Jim
Matheson, $500 in 1999.


49 posted on 09/26/2006 8:26:04 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The really nasty thing about this is that it is a transparent attempt to cast George Allen as a redneck native Southerner and fool voters. He is anything but that. He grew up in Southern California and his dad was a football coach, giving him exposure to all kinds of people at an early age. His mother was European and grew up in Africa. It's totally ridiculous to suggest that someone with this background came to the University of Virginia for racist reasons. It's ridiculous to suggest that someone with this background even knew the word nigger, much less used it. But too many gullible voters don't know this and won't bother to learn it. They just see "Virginia - football player - all-white Southern college in the early 1970s" and it seems perfectly believable. Especially when you add in the fact that Allen did once have a -- horrors! -- Confederate flag in his office.

And have no doubt, this smear will all be used in whisper campaigns in the black communities in Hampton, Norfolk, Virginia Beach, and Richmond. It will be printed up on flyers that will be quietly passed out in the black churches. Democrats have been doing stuff like this for years -- Create a false racial slur and then campaign in the black communities as though it were the truth, because we all know how dumb those black folks are and they will believe anything we tell them. Now you tell me, who is the real racist here?

I have a relative with family in the Jewish community in Norfolk, and he tells me the Democrtas are already running around there telling people that Allen knew he was a Jew and deliberately hid it for years because he was ashamed of it and din't want to lose the votes of all those rednecks in rural Virginia. This campaign has really sunk to new lows even for the Democrats.

50 posted on 09/26/2006 8:26:49 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Vote as if your life depends on it -- because it does!!!)
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