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Professor (Larry Sabato) Says Senator Used Racial Slur
AP ^ | 09/26/06

Posted on 09/26/2006 7:50:21 AM PDT by Pokey78

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- A noted political scientist joined one of Sen. George Allen's former college football teammates in claiming the senator used a racial slur to refer to blacks in the early 1970s, a claim Allen dismisses as ''ludicrously false.''

Larry J. Sabato, one of Virginia's most-quoted political science professors and a classmate of Allen's in the early 1970s, said in a televised interview Monday that Allen used the epithet.

Sabato's assertion came on the heels of accusations by Dr. Ken Shelton, a radiologist who was a tight end and wide receiver for the University of Virginia in the early 1970s when Allen was quarterback. He said Allen not only used the n-word frequently but also once stuffed a severed deer head into a black family's mailbox.

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To: CharlesWayneCT
Why is it that only Republicans are ever crucified for using racial slurs 36 or 50 years ago? Robert Byrd uses the N word last year and it's glossed over. Robert Byrd was Grand Kagle in the KKK, and it's OK with Liberals. Robert Byrd voted against Civil Rights legislation in the 60's because he was a good Dixicrat. Nothing is ever said.
I assume George Allen must be winning in Virginia because the Dems have resorted to bringing up things that happened 36 or 40 years ago. Heck, 40 years ago African-Americans were referred to as negros, colored people, and then blacks. You wouldn't dare call them that today. You'd be dating yourself at the least, or be called a racists by the Libs because of your arcane speech.
51 posted on 09/26/2006 8:27:37 AM PDT by Yankereb
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Who did George Allen piss off to make them come after him like this?

I think it's because he's a genuine conservative, at least from what I can see. I think that he's vulnerable to the kind of attacks with which liberals hit Reagan and Bush. He's warm and affable and not always the most articulate politician (shades of Bush, not Reagan). He stands on genuine principle, not showy policy wonkism. It's what got both Reagan and Bush re-elected again to the chagrin of liberals who just can't understand it. But I think though they don't get it, they may see it in Allen.

Romney is an interesting contrast. He is clearly intelligent and articulate, but he's not as conservative as Allen. Allen is the kind of successful conservative who has dislodged dems from their throne the last several decades. I believe they are afraid of him and want to damage him now before he comes to the attention of national voters. Just my thoughts.

52 posted on 09/26/2006 8:28:02 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Fee
First they said he is a JEW! Now they say he is a racist, next they will say he is GAY. In the future they will say he is an ALIEN from outer space. The Dems and Webb must be losing the campaign.

This has nothing to do with 2006 and everything to do with 2008.

53 posted on 09/26/2006 8:28:27 AM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: mortal19440

Sabato is not neutral although it seems he tried, in the past, to present himself as neutral. I saw a TV program where he was speaking to a class and he definitely took jabs at the President and the Administration. Guess he feels Dems are regaining strength so he no longer needs to pretend he's objective.


54 posted on 09/26/2006 8:30:44 AM PDT by 4integrity
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To: Dems_R_Losers

But wouldn't it have hit the papers? If not, then this should be a dead issue. I can't believe Sabato would say this kind of unverifiable bilge.


55 posted on 09/26/2006 8:31:28 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Fee

Well, you can be sure that Larry would never criticize anyone for being gay; his mirror is too reflective for that.


56 posted on 09/26/2006 8:31:37 AM PDT by magoo70804
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To: Pokey78

This is the most vigorous effort to destroy a candidacy that I have ever witnessed. The Washington Post has almost daily stories or editorial, or op-ed hit pieces. When Salon magazine weighs in, you can be sure a real hit job is being carried out. They will say things that are untrue that other news organizations who wouldn't write them, will then quote them.


57 posted on 09/26/2006 8:33:03 AM PDT by billhilly (DU Funnies pingee # 911)
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To: Phsstpok

The obvious question should be. Prety small deer head

or very large mailbox?

When the race card comes out the opponents know they have

no chance.


58 posted on 09/26/2006 8:33:10 AM PDT by sportscaster ("LET'S ROLL")
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe
Which is pretty funny because George Allen had zero chance of winning the GOP nomination in 2008 anyway.

This is all about keeping black voters on the Democrat plantation. If they lose the black vote, they have no chance of winning anything anymore. If they can't prove those Republicans are racists, they'll just make stuff up! They'll keep voting for Democrats even though they aren't doing a damn thing to deserve their votes.

It's also probably designed to get to black voters in the D.C. suburbs in Maryland who are thinking about voting for Mike Steele.

59 posted on 09/26/2006 8:33:34 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Vote as if your life depends on it -- because it does!!!)
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To: tigtog

"Can you ask around your college friends and see what they remember? Shoosh, we have all said and done stupid things in college, its part of growing up. ..."

Maybe George Allen did use a "slur". Maybe he even farted in his dorm room. What's the big deal. It was 30 yrs. ago.


60 posted on 09/26/2006 8:35:08 AM PDT by AngieGOP (I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: AngieGOP

I totally agree, but would love to find some unPC thing done by Larry to make him have to answer for. My thinking is the Professor is ripe for a learning experience.


61 posted on 09/26/2006 8:36:39 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Which is pretty funny because George Allen had zero chance of winning the GOP nomination in 2008 anyway.

I actually disagree with that - if you want my take, check out this post on another thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1708467/posts?page=59#59

This is all about keeping black voters on the Democrat plantation. If they lose the black vote, they have no chance of winning anything anymore. If they can't prove those Republicans are racists, they'll just make stuff up! They'll keep voting for Democrats even though they aren't doing a damn thing to deserve their votes.

That is absolutely true - IMHO, that's always their general strategy. The specific strategy is to blow up Allen by any means necessary.

It's also probably designed to get to black voters in the D.C. suburbs in Maryland who are thinking about voting for Mike Steele.

I agree with that as well - Steele is a real threat to their lies.

62 posted on 09/26/2006 8:38:34 AM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Pokey78
If Allen said this to Sabato, what does it say of Sabato that he hung around with someone who spoke that way. Did Sabato jump into the conversation and protest? Was that the prevailing nomenclature in that environment in those days. We are now 35 years after these alleged statements. Why is Sabato coming forth now, 35 years later, if not for crass politcal effect. Racebaiter. I thought Sabato was better than that. Did Allen say this 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 25 years ago? Was Allen a college kid? Lets us keep the "F****ain Jew BAstard" quote up front and personal. That was only 10 or 12 years ago. Hillary needs to explain.

The one-sidedness of it so transparent. Yet the MSM has not one standard, but two.

63 posted on 09/26/2006 8:38:37 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: AngieGOP
What next? Will they tell us that Allen smoked a cigarette at the age of 16, an age at which it used to be legal in Virginia.

Heck. At my private school in Richmond, VA, there was a smoking bench outside the high school building. This was for students who were of age, which was 16, I believe.

64 posted on 09/26/2006 8:40:07 AM PDT by Montfort
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To: NRA1995
Why not publish that Allen called his next-door neighbor a wop when he was 6 years old?

Howard Cosell called Washington Redskins player Alvin Garrett a "little monkey" during a Monday Night Football game. The Washington Redskins were once coached coached by....George Allen's FATHER who was also named...GEORGE. Just like the current President

I don't think we need this sort of thing in the Senate

65 posted on 09/26/2006 8:40:09 AM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: Pokey78

Gee, I can't help but wonder why Old Media finds it relevant what Allen may or may not have uttered over 30 years ago, yet completely ignored the fact that John Kerry participated in a vote over 30 years ago on whether or not to assassinate seven United States senators.


66 posted on 09/26/2006 8:40:17 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Pokey78
Boy the Rats and Drive By media REALLY must fear Allen for them to slime him this far out from 2008. They didn't even do this to Reagan or GW Bush if I recall. Or did they?

Saboto just lost what creditability he had as an objective political pundit with his participation in this article. He should have said "no comment."
67 posted on 09/26/2006 8:40:27 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Fee

[First they said he is a JEW! Now they say he is a racist, next they will say he is GAY. In the future they will say he is an ALIEN from outer space. The Dems and Webb must be losing the campaign.]

Lol, yep. As other various FReepers have stated, the Dims are afraid of Allen and want to knock him out in the first round. Also, as previously stated, why now?? Allen has had a long political career. One would think that these "upright citizens" would have come forth long ago. Unless, of course, they're lying.


68 posted on 09/26/2006 8:41:07 AM PDT by khnyny (God Bless the Republic for which it stands)
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To: TheBattman

Of course keeping in mind that what is today considered a "racial slurr" was often the "standard" terminology used in the Early 70's
______

With all due respect, that's a crock. Standard terminology for racist morons, maybe. I was a teen in the early 70's, and knew full well that the so-called 'n' word was used by people with their heads up their a$$es.


69 posted on 09/26/2006 8:42:27 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Pokey78

Who gives a rat's ass what he did in the 70's. What has he done since he's been in office is the important thing. It's double standards always with the Dems. And if they can't win on the issues, they have to go back 30-40 years. This sounds like the work of that smurf weasel dirt-digger Chris Lehane.


70 posted on 09/26/2006 8:44:38 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: socal_parrot

And I charge Senator George Allen with the crime of poaching!



Signed,

Duke Of Nottingham


71 posted on 09/26/2006 8:46:07 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: twigs
"He was well-known, even back then, a darling of the faculty. "

Probably for snitching on his fellow students.

72 posted on 09/26/2006 8:46:55 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
UVA was a very conservative place during the time Allen and Sabato would have been there. I entered in 1972 and I was in the first class that allowed women in without a quota. A state school! Some of my classmates reported that professors would say in class that women had no place there in their classes and then would say in a bit more detail where they did belong. But it never happened to me. There were very few Blacks, although my Resident Advisor in 1972 was a Black woman. There was an effort to recruit them by the time I left in the mid to late 70's. Some had a hard time adjusting to an almost all-white campus, others didn't.

I am from Virginia--more rural Virginia--and even there so many ages ago, we knew better than to say the "N" word. I grew up knowing that it was a very derisive racial slur and it was never, ever in my vocabulary. That was not the case with my parent's generation. And I just can't imagine someone finding a deer's head like this without reporting it to the authorities.

73 posted on 09/26/2006 8:48:09 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Which is pretty funny because George Allen had zero chance of winning the GOP nomination in 2008 anyway.

I certainly intend on voting for him, at least at this point and if I have the opportunity!

74 posted on 09/26/2006 8:49:18 AM PDT by twigs
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To: RexBeach
BTW,Will someone please tell me what qualifies Mr. Webb to be in the Senate?

From the US Consitution...
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen.

That's really all there is.

75 posted on 09/26/2006 8:51:04 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Who did George Allen piss off to make them come after him like this?

Taking down George Allen could cost the Republicans the Senate. Nuff said. The fact that until now he has had, for a fairly conservative Republican, good relations with the Main Stream Media, just goes to prove that no Republican gets good press when the MSM thinks that they can advance their agenda by taking him out.

Are you paying atten Sen. McCain??? No, I didn't think so.

76 posted on 09/26/2006 8:52:17 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Pokey78
"Mr. Larry Sabato, as you know there is an election coming up. What is your learned opinion about it?"

"Well, having studied the trends and the current impact of the war on Iraq and the economy, I think somebody will win and somebody will lose."

"Thank you, Mr. Sabato, may we quote you on that - again?"

77 posted on 09/26/2006 8:53:02 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: twigs

Yes, I think the 1970's was a little late to run around a major American college campus spouting the N word with impunity.


78 posted on 09/26/2006 8:54:05 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Is this the same guy?

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/about/staff_sabato.htm


79 posted on 09/26/2006 8:54:11 AM PDT by MarkLevinFan
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To: elc
Geez... like we all forgot the 2004 election prediction of Prof. Larry Sabato. Sabato predicted "Bush has no chance!!!" just days before the election and during the election Prof. Sabato also quoted that two states showed "WRONG" winner with the exit poll he had!!! Luckily, we still had Nationl Review Online to keep Prof. Sabato's lies intact!!! Trusted source, my b*tt...
80 posted on 09/26/2006 8:55:14 AM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Pokey78

I wonder if Obama ever said "honkey".


81 posted on 09/26/2006 8:56:26 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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To: MarkLevinFan

Sabato has a bad rug! {There, I said it!!}


82 posted on 09/26/2006 8:56:55 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: The South Texan
They didn't even do this to Reagan or GW Bush if I recall. Or did they?

Not this far out. But I think that they don't want to let another conservative with Reagan/Bush-like credentials get close enough to come to the attention of national conservative voters. They see what happened to both Reagan and Bush--twice. They learned from these two esteemed men and don't want to let it happen again.

83 posted on 09/26/2006 8:57:35 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Cedric
Sabato has a bad rug! {There, I said it!!}

LOL!

84 posted on 09/26/2006 8:57:54 AM PDT by MarkLevinFan
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To: Pokey78

sabato is as big a dim operative as his fanatasy lover, billy-jeff klintoon!

LLS


85 posted on 09/26/2006 8:58:44 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Toidylop

Thanks. Never heard of the guy before.


86 posted on 09/26/2006 8:58:44 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: 4integrity
Sabato has a prestigious undergraduate course at UVA, open by written competition only. Many student put in many hours of effort in this competition.

One student, instead of effort, just monkeyed around and submitted one sentence: "I Am Macaca".

He was accepted by Sabato and is now gloating in his class..
87 posted on 09/26/2006 9:01:56 AM PDT by Phosgood (Kerry was a Shill for Hillery)
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To: elc

I just would stop there when Sabato and NYTimes mentioned in the same sentence...


88 posted on 09/26/2006 9:03:54 AM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Toidylop
Sabato predicted "Bush has no chance!!!

Exactly!

Larry is touted as an "expert" , blah, blah, blah.

If he were a doctor, there's a good chance he'd misdiagnose your illness.

Larry's a paid political hack, no more, no less. The problem is , he wouldn't admit it.

89 posted on 09/26/2006 9:07:47 AM PDT by csvset (Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil & inhumane)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
It's also probably designed to get to black voters in the D.C. suburbs in Maryland who are thinking about voting for Mike Steele.

Given that the Washington Post is the hometown paper for the DC suburbs it is a near certainty. They know that the stereotype that blacks have of Republicans is that they are at best closet bigots, and that any black who would associate themselves with them is either stupid, self-hating, or both. The Allen controversy plays into that without directly going after Steele.

90 posted on 09/26/2006 9:09:36 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: MarkLevinFan

Just as so very many others do, Prof. Sabato sports the attention-diverting mustache, thinking people won't detect that, more often than not, when he's facing East his {fake} hair if pointing North.


Now, if Larry would don "aviator" glasses to complete his disguise I'm sure no one would ever again notice that he's wearing a pelt from George Allen's poached deer on top of his head.


91 posted on 09/26/2006 9:11:50 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: ansel12

absurd?

Only in your little word. I distinctly remember (and have had a conversation or three about the same subject) many visits to "decent" people, even in mixed racial crowds using terminology referring to ethnicity and such that would today not be acceptable.


92 posted on 09/26/2006 9:12:30 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: TheBattman
...prior to the PC police deciding they know better how Americans are to speak.

You mean like how Senator Ted Kennedy tried to smear Chief Justice Roberts for using the word "amigo" in a memo many years ago?

-PJ

93 posted on 09/26/2006 9:15:14 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Yes, the "N" word has been a derrogatory term for quite some time, but as you pointed out, some of the other words that were in common use, now are considered biggoted -

But as you also pointed out, even the "N" word was used by many with no ill-meaning intended. I still know a few people who live rather isolated lives that don't care about the world's point of view, they will use the terminology their parents and grandparents used. Many of those same-said people are some of the least biggoted people I know (and that is saying something), but use words that today are considered Taboo.


Am I defending the words supposedly used in the case of this story? No. But only the speaker and God know the REAL state of their heart - and if the words were meant as a racist slur, or as a regular (if unfortunate) part of speech.


94 posted on 09/26/2006 9:16:19 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: GianniV

If Allen loses, the Republicans lose the Senate. And then we're all really screwed.


Why do you say that? We have to lose 6 seats to lose. I believe we will lose 3 total and that is it. Keep in mind, we might win New Jersey so if we lose Allen and gain New Jersey Keane than we are even. Nothing to worry about.


95 posted on 09/26/2006 9:16:32 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: dmz

Explain that to one set of my grandparents who were definitely not racist, had many black friends, and used the term...In fact, they only stopped using it when a friend pointed out that it wasn't polite.

So save your "racist morons" statements, as you are insulting the memory of my grandparents.


96 posted on 09/26/2006 9:18:14 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: mortal19440

"What about KKK Byrd a couple years ago?"

As a white negro, I found Byrd's remarks very offensive.


97 posted on 09/26/2006 9:20:42 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: twigs
There is an account of the deer's head incident. From North Carolina. In January 2006. And no, Allen isn't involved:
Deer Head In Mailbox
Several people in Hoke County got a surprise when they opened up their mailbox on Saturday. Deer parts were inside. One lady found a deer head, while others found hooves and legs. The Hoke County [NC] Sheriff’s Department investigated and discovered that a local teen had committed the crime, thinking it would be a great prank. None of the families pressed charges however as the teen agreed to replace all the boxes and apologize.

This is exactly the kind of strategy the national Dems have used. Pile on, pile on. It doesn't matter if it's true, it just has to stick enough to bring the guy down. We've seen this again and again.

98 posted on 09/26/2006 9:21:49 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: TheBattman

"Only in your little word."


Responding like that to someone you know nothing about, reveals how you could have made such a sweeping untrue statement.


99 posted on 09/26/2006 9:22:06 AM PDT by ansel12 ( sin holds a sway over their lives to the point where boldness begins to be craved.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Polite then was either negro

Negro is a "N" word


100 posted on 09/26/2006 9:25:32 AM PDT by lakeman (when a marine kills the only thing he feels is the recoil of his rifle)
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