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Former [UVA Football] Teammate: George Allen Stuffed Deer Head into Black Fmaily's Mailbox
WDBJ Channel 7 ^ | September 26, 2006

Posted on 09/26/2006 4:22:31 PM PDT by gopwinsin04

September 26, 2006

US Senator George Allen is responding to more allegations of racist behavior.

The latest comes from a former college teammate.

Former teammate Doctor Ken Shelton says, "Allen said he came to Virginia because he wanted to play football in a place where 'blacks knew their place.'"

"He used the N-word on a regular basis back then," said Shelton, who was in Salon.com.

During a hunting outing with Allen and another teammate, Shelton says Allen drove the three to a black neighborhood and "he proceeded to take the doe's head and stuff it into a mailbox."

Bishop Gerald Glenn says he used to see Allen as a Confederate flag waving redneck and has talked to the senator about his perception problem in the African American community.

While the two still disagree on key issues, Glenn says assassinating Allen's character does nothing for the voters of Virginia.

Allen told reporters today that he and Doctor Shelton weren't close and haven't spoken to each other in more than 30 years. Other teammates have released statements saying they've never heard Allen use racial slurs.

Allen's approval rating is down in the latest poll released today by SurveyUSA. The poll was taken last week, so the numbers do not reflect possible reaction to the Salon.com article.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: allen; duxgotthezot; hesbeenzottedjim; macaca247; slimefest; zotbait
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1 posted on 09/26/2006 4:22:32 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04
What pisses me off is Allen should know better than to compare anyone to a monkey, or whatever he did. Now all these accusations at least have people thinking.
I was all for Allen '08, now I'm having to rethink. Anyone got an opinion on Mitt Romney? Surely he can't be as dumb as Allen's remark was.
2 posted on 09/26/2006 4:24:50 PM PDT by DuxFan4ever (The next rational liberal I meet will be the first.)
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To: DuxFan4ever

this guy is definitely 'not ready for prime time.'


3 posted on 09/26/2006 4:25:34 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04
The democrats and RINOS must be very afraid of this man!
4 posted on 09/26/2006 4:26:12 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: gopwinsin04
Senator Allen needs to stand up and denounce these allegations or else the liberals are going to keep coming after him. Due to his multiple apologies, the liberals smelled blood in the water. This is what happens when Republicans apologize. See Trent Lott for details.
5 posted on 09/26/2006 4:26:51 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: gopwinsin04
Just so you know, Molly Henningberg attempted to get an interview from this guy, but his wife answered.

She told Molly that, "THEY told us not to talk to Fox News.

No word on who THEY are.

6 posted on 09/26/2006 4:27:08 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: DuxFan4ever
"Allen should know better than to ...whatever he did."

LOL! That about sums it up, sure enough...

7 posted on 09/26/2006 4:29:12 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: gopwinsin04
A serial rapist and chronic liar in the Oval Office is quite alright, but school boy antics are to stay with a person for life. Disgusting!!!!!!!
8 posted on 09/26/2006 4:29:39 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: gopwinsin04
This is a charge that can kill damn near anyone off.  There are about six English speaking white men on the planet that can claim they never used the "n" word, so when Allen claims otherwise people just roll their eyes. It's like asking someone if he's quit beating his wife.

The only way to counter this is to claim the same thing of Webb. With his background he has certainly used it more often than George Allen, and with his on the record remarks concerning the Tail-Hook scandal I guarantee there's a woman some where that he called an ignorant "c" word.


9 posted on 09/26/2006 4:30:40 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: mware
He's done for 2008. Only thing missing is an abusive spouse alligation.

And if you go back a couple of years ago...I posted all the pro's about Allen for '08.

10 posted on 09/26/2006 4:30:49 PM PDT by maineman
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To: DuxFan4ever

Your going to believe a man that is coming out of the political closet after thirty years to do a character assasination? Why didn't this doctor speak up years ago when Allen first enetered politics?


11 posted on 09/26/2006 4:32:05 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: DuxFan4ever

Welcome to FreeRepublic.

I keep having to tell idiots this again and again: First, Allen didn't "call" anybody anything. He thought it was his name. The word "macaca" is Latin. Apparently "macaque" is an exceedingly obscure North African French slur. Well, that's what the Dems say and the press repeats. Some have said that in Italian, you could contrive the slur, if it exists, to be "macaco." Of course, if you decline it to the feminine (and why would you?) it would be "macaca," I suppose. If Allen was trying to slip a racial slur into his guess of the man's name, then he did it in a clever way and did it in Latin. If you have to have a bigot, have one that uses dead languages.

And I understand that "macaca" means "noble opponent" in Arameic, so who knows?

Oh, don't hit your head on the bottom of the bridge.


12 posted on 09/26/2006 4:32:06 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: gopwinsin04

Wow! Looks like a full court press by the MSM to upend Senator George Allen! They want to beat him so bad they can taste it! I plan to vote for him. Webb is a shallow fraud.


13 posted on 09/26/2006 4:32:19 PM PDT by olezip
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To: DuxFan4ever

I like everything I know about Mitt Romney---he may emerge soon (but only if he wants to) as one of the strongest candidates. The stupid "macaca" thing was apparently just a warm up for what was later to be revealed about Alllen.Something about these charges against Allen sounds exactly believable, like the details.Seems like his accusers are only too willing to stand by their accusations. I don't think the GOP needs their own version of Robert Byrd. Goodbye, George Allen.Not interested in him anymore. Allen has already risen to the level of his incompetence, and won't go beyond.


14 posted on 09/26/2006 4:32:29 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: gopwinsin04

Doctor Ken Shelton may have been a team mate but he sure isnt a friend. Maybe Allen crapped in his helmet before a game one night.

Cant understand why a team mate would come out and say this crap unless he had a baaaad grudge against Allen or maybe he likes thinking he is important,or loves seing his name in print. I doubt he made many friends for his next class reunion. Bet he doesnt go.


15 posted on 09/26/2006 4:32:49 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: DuxFan4ever

I'm liking Romney more and more everytime I see him. One thing I think is clear that we need to make sure our nominee is an effective communicator. I love our president. I pray for him every night but he's just not that effective of a comunicator. IMHO. But I'm sure the dems will tell us that Romney once had 2 dates on the same weekend when he was single. LOL!


16 posted on 09/26/2006 4:33:49 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule (Penn State fans are bottom feeding scum)
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To: sgtbono2002

Just read Shelton said this to salon. Maybe he is a flamer.


17 posted on 09/26/2006 4:33:52 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: gopwinsin04

This story is so absurd that it's funny. The funnier part is that Allen is still gonna mop the floor with that nitwit he's running against.


18 posted on 09/26/2006 4:34:36 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: DuxFan4ever
Anyone got an opinion on Mitt Romney?

Though it shouldn't, I think the Mormon angle will do him in. They will make him spend half of his time apologizing for long-past church doctrines, or the typical racial makeup of Mormons. They'll probably find a couple of excommunicated Mormons who will try to dish some dirt. Under ordinary circumstances, this wouldn't matter - but I think Americans are probably still a little skittish about a Mormon POTUS, and will be easily spooked.
19 posted on 09/26/2006 4:35:15 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: gopwinsin04

I heard he eats kittens too! /sarc


20 posted on 09/26/2006 4:35:27 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: gopwinsin04
The DNC motto:

Racebaiting is job 1!

21 posted on 09/26/2006 4:35:49 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: gopwinsin04
The Allen campaign has a detailed and pretty convincing rebuttal to Shelton's charges:

Webb’s Dirty Tricksters: Salon

22 posted on 09/26/2006 4:35:53 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." Mk 5:36)
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To: gopwinsin04

What a bozo.


23 posted on 09/26/2006 4:36:43 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Never Forget)
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To: gopwinsin04

I want to see this man retain his Senate seat, but as the Senate now stands I would hate to see anyone of that sorry 100 become the next President. The only Senator of either party who might be an exception is Senator Jeff Sessions.


24 posted on 09/26/2006 4:37:16 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: AmishDude
Welcome to FreeRepublic.

Thank you for the sentiment, although this is my second username. My other one was destroyed in what I considered a minor tussle with one of the mods. Apparently being on here a while gives you no protection from short-tempered mods.

I'm not sure this is the same FR I originally signed on to some years ago, but it still is a good resource.

25 posted on 09/26/2006 4:37:21 PM PDT by DuxFan4ever (The next rational liberal I meet will be the first.)
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To: sgtbono2002
This story sounded so Hollywood. I mean, who does this? Well, I found a fairly recent story on this:

Deer Head In Mailbox
Several people in Hoke County got a surprise when they opened up their mailbox on Saturday. Deer parts were inside. One lady found a deer head, while others found hooves and legs. The Hoke County [NC] Sheriff’s Department investigated and discovered that a local teen had committed the crime, thinking it would be a great prank. None of the families pressed charges however as the teen agreed to replace all the boxes and apologize.

It sounds invented to me based on a recent report that Shelton read somewhere else.

26 posted on 09/26/2006 4:37:36 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: gopwinsin04

Worthy of Scott Ott.


27 posted on 09/26/2006 4:37:45 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: gopwinsin04
Just saw the play "Fences" last week at the Pasadena Playhouse, and the "N" word was used quite a bit. Didn't seem to bother anybody, even though at least half the audience was black. Awesome play!

This going back to college to dig up dirt on people is getting absurd. People do all kinds of things when they are young and full of themselves. The real issue, has Sen. Allen done a good job for his constituents while in office. If yes, reelect. No, throw the bum out.
28 posted on 09/26/2006 4:38:06 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.)
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To: AmishDude
Good troll bait thread!

I love all the "I was going to vote for him but.....", its so, C-Span!
29 posted on 09/26/2006 4:38:43 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: gopwinsin04
I hear next an old Little League buddy of Allen is gonna allege he left a burning paper sack of maCACA on a Hindu's porch back on Halloween of 1971.
30 posted on 09/26/2006 4:39:09 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: DuxFan4ever; Admin Moderator
My other one was destroyed in what I considered a minor tussle with one of the mods.

Really? Is that right? I am shocked. Those mods can be such meanies sometimes.

31 posted on 09/26/2006 4:39:25 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: gopwinsin04

Has anybody checked how much money this bozo has contributed to the RAT party?


32 posted on 09/26/2006 4:39:29 PM PDT by Angelas
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To: mware

that is priceless. "THEY"


33 posted on 09/26/2006 4:39:40 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Yes, I agree many want to destroy Senator Allen before he can become a candidate for POTUS. Some even on FR.

The issue here is less what he said and didn't say and more on why this is important. We have created a whole clerisy of people accusing others of speech crimes. The penalty for these "speech crimes" is always electoral defeat.

Going back over 30 years to find an alleged reference to "n" word seems childish to me. Politicians are not supposed to be running for archbishop but for secular political office. Politicians do not take a vow of poverty, chastity or always having the best of manners.

What we call "speech crimes" or political correctness is nothing but what we used to call "bad manners."
34 posted on 09/26/2006 4:40:00 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: phoenix0468
Your going to believe a man that is coming out of the political closet after thirty years to do a character assasination?

Do you have reading comprehension difficulties? Where did I say I believed the accusation? What I do know is Allen called someone a macaca in public. Since the guy he called macaca wasn't white, Allen's done. He could have coasted to re-election and planned for '08 if had been at all careful.

35 posted on 09/26/2006 4:41:01 PM PDT by DuxFan4ever (The next rational liberal I meet will be the first.)
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To: DuxFan4ever

Once you're kicked out you're supposed to stay out unless the owner let's you back in. I'll let JimRob know you're back and you think it's worse than a few years ago. I'm sure he'll be pleased to have you back, especially after you have such nice things to say about his moderators (rolls eyes).


36 posted on 09/26/2006 4:41:51 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: DuxFan4ever
Mitt Romney is a far left wing new england RINO!
37 posted on 09/26/2006 4:41:57 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: supremedoctrine
Something about these charges against Allen sounds exactly believable,

And something about you doesn't.

Welcome to Free Republic

38 posted on 09/26/2006 4:42:24 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (De inimico non loquaris sed cogites)
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To: AmishDude

Childish. Shouldn't you be tattling to the playground monitor about the kids playing tackle football?


39 posted on 09/26/2006 4:43:19 PM PDT by DuxFan4ever (The next rational liberal I meet will be the first.)
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; M. Thatcher

Posts #6 and #12 point towards an orchestrated hoax/slander.


40 posted on 09/26/2006 4:43:53 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: DuxFan4ever

I dunno. The kid he called Macaca was working for the dems and got his rocks off spreading the tale, i think the kid was macaca.


41 posted on 09/26/2006 4:44:59 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: supremedoctrine
"The stupid "macaca" thing was apparently just a warm up for what was later to be revealed about Alllen.Something about these charges against Allen sounds exactly believable, like the details.Seems like his accusers are only too willing to stand by their accusations. I don't think the GOP needs their own version of Robert Byrd. Goodbye, George Allen.Not interested in him anymore. Allen has already risen to the level of his incompetence, and won't go beyond."

You signed up last week and are already calling Republicans KKK racists.

42 posted on 09/26/2006 4:45:00 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; M. Thatcher

Sorry, I meant posts #6 and #26.


43 posted on 09/26/2006 4:45:10 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: DuxFan4ever

What pisses me off is Allen should know better than to compare anyone to a monkey,

"or whatever he did".


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You are not even sure what Senator Allen "did" but you allow yourself to become p'd with him. How mature of you. You are allowing attack media to sway your emotions.


44 posted on 09/26/2006 4:45:42 PM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: DuxFan4ever

Huh? Oh, I was just pinging my good buddy AM for the opportunity to apologize to you directly. I'm sure it will come very soon.

You're just silly.


45 posted on 09/26/2006 4:45:46 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Too late in this case?


46 posted on 09/26/2006 4:47:28 PM PDT by indcons (FReepmail "indcons" to get on/off the Military History ping list)
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To: gopwinsin04
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not believe this contrived story about Senator Allen.

Ken Shelton is an anti-tobacco and environmental activist. He has already been proven wrong by several of Allen's other UVA teammates on two of his allegations, that Allen gave him the nickname "Wizard" in honor of the KKK and that Allen enrolled at the University of Virginia because he "wanted to go to a place that kept black people in their place." The only other person who was supposedly there during this "deer head incident" conveniently died three months ago. Ken Shelton is NOT credible, PERIOD!!!!

47 posted on 09/26/2006 4:47:56 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Vote as if your life depends on it -- because it does!!!)
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To: roses of sharon

He has my vote but not beyond his current seat.


48 posted on 09/26/2006 4:51:41 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: gopwinsin04
Contact the CDC. We have a new disease: Allen Derangement Syndrome.
49 posted on 09/26/2006 4:51:47 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: shrinkermd

Senator Byrd is running for reelection in the very next state to Virginia and he used the n word on TV just a few years ago.

Oh, it's ok to use it if you are a democrat. Oh, sorry for the confusion.

/double standard


50 posted on 09/26/2006 4:51:50 PM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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