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Bush to sign bill to prevent Internet gambling
AFP ^ | Oct 02 | Staff

Posted on 10/03/2006 2:52:04 AM PDT by baystaterebel

US President George W. Bush this week is expected to sign a bill making it harder to place bets on the Internet, a practice which already is illegal in the United States. Bush was expected to act quickly after Congress approved the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act making it illegal for financial institutions and credit card companies to process payments to settle Internet bets. It also created stiff penalties for online wagers.

Billions of dollars are wagered online each year and the United States is considered the biggest market.

"It is extraordinary how many American families have been touched by large losses from Internet gambling," said US Representative Jim Leach, the bill's main sponsor in the House, in a statement after its passage early Saturday.

The bill's chief Senate sponsor was conservative Republican Jon Kyl, who, like Leach, has said he believed Internet gambling was a moral threat. He has called online betting as the Internet version of crack cocaine.

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""It is extraordinary how many American families have been touched by large losses from Internet gambling," said US Representative Jim Leach........."

Yes internet gambling is the number one destroyer of families Jim. Far and away more dangerous then say, alcohol, which is far less of a risk to a college kid or his family. Yup Jim, I sure feel real safe now.

And I know that late some night you will attach a rider onto some important bill to ban alcohol which has to be next on your list.

Right Jim?

Jim?

1 posted on 10/03/2006 2:52:05 AM PDT by baystaterebel
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To: baystaterebel

How many more American families have been harmed by a runaway Congress without term limits and a permanent judiciary?


2 posted on 10/03/2006 2:54:56 AM PDT by Dahoser (God bless our troops and at home defenders.)
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To: baystaterebel

I don't gamble but, why exactly is the Federal involved in this?


3 posted on 10/03/2006 3:01:13 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade)
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To: baystaterebel
We need to ban gambling to help people keep their money. As though the government never ever takes it from us.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

4 posted on 10/03/2006 3:03:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dahoser
"A 2005 survey by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center found that 26 percent of male college students gamble in online card games at least once a month, while nearly 10 percent of all college students gambled online at some point last year. "

Guess which party these kids WILL NOT voting for in the future?

I swear the current leadership of the Republican Party actually enjoy being out of touch.

Seriously, what did they think they would accomplish with this bill other then appease a small minority of their base?

Idiots.
5 posted on 10/03/2006 3:04:16 AM PDT by baystaterebel (http://omphalosgazer.blogspot.com/)
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To: baystaterebel
The Republican Party's own version of the Nanny State is to treat us like children. We can't be trusted to gamble away our future.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

6 posted on 10/03/2006 3:06:27 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: baystaterebel

It'll never last. As soon as American firms see British gambling sites making Billions they will put down the pressure.

It also seems strange that we are fighting a WoT to stop religious people forcing their rights and wrongs on the West and yet we do that ourselves.


7 posted on 10/03/2006 3:06:31 AM PDT by Jack2006
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To: Jack2006
The bill only bans Internet gambling. You can still go to your local Indian reservation and gamble. What's the difference whether you do it online or in a brick and mortar casino? I don't understand why one is more bad than the other which still remains lawful.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

8 posted on 10/03/2006 3:09:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: baystaterebel

Another step in the direction of:

"Everything that's not required is forbidden"

(For those not paying attention, we're closer to the end of this road than we think...)


9 posted on 10/03/2006 3:11:31 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Stop the "tyranny of the 'offended' " -- say what you mean and stand by it!)
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To: baystaterebel

Settle down, they don't vote now, and when they do vote, they'll be paying taxes so they'll vote for the GOP anyway.


10 posted on 10/03/2006 3:12:16 AM PDT by Hong Kong Expat
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To: Jack2006
It also seems strange that we are fighting a WoT to stop religious people forcing their rights and wrongs on the West and yet we do that ourselves.

Quoted for TRUTH.

God forbid informed adults are allowed to decide the course of our own lives.

11 posted on 10/03/2006 3:15:46 AM PDT by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: goldstategop

" I don't understand why one is more bad than the other which still remains lawful"


I would be willing to bet, that if the government, state or local, were able to tax the earnings (as they do with the tribal casinos), both indvidually and business, that there would be far less of a problem with internet gambling.


12 posted on 10/03/2006 3:19:54 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: baystaterebel
making it illegal for financial institutions and credit card companies to process payments to settle Internet bets

Hmmmm. I wonder if it's the credit card companies that pushed this? Maybe too many people running up their credit card bills beyond their ability to pay and the companies were having to eat too much of the bad debt.

13 posted on 10/03/2006 3:31:41 AM PDT by libertylover (If it's good and decent, you can be sure the Democrat Party leaders are against it.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Internet Gambling has been illegal in the US prior to this legislation. This law stops US Banks from processing Credit Card charges to known offshore gambling sites.

LLS


14 posted on 10/03/2006 3:36:21 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: goldstategop

To be honest, I am not American so don't really care.

I just think it's a bit backward and a blow on personal freedom, when American adults cannot live their lives like the rest of the free world because it offends other Americans who have different beliefs.


15 posted on 10/03/2006 3:40:55 AM PDT by Jack2006
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To: Jack2006
backward and a blow on personal freedom

True...but gambling has always been regulated in the US....if its been allowed at all. Usually its in the hands of the states as a resource to prop up the state revenue. Since gambling can now be done internationally, the tax revenue man needs a piece of the action....you live in a socialist state, you should have thought of that one.

16 posted on 10/03/2006 3:45:29 AM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: baystaterebel
Dave Barry column (1991): "Watch Out Guys, Men are Now Illegal"
17 posted on 10/03/2006 3:45:55 AM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
It crosses state lines and national boundaries, and thus falls into Federal jurisdiction.

Steve Czaban must be steaming.
18 posted on 10/03/2006 3:47:26 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: baystaterebel
"It is extraordinary how many American families have been touched by large losses from Internet gambling,"

Is it anywhere near the number of underaged American male family members who have been touched by congressmen?

19 posted on 10/03/2006 3:49:10 AM PDT by HHFi
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
I don't gamble but, why exactly is the Federal involved in this?

My first thought is that they haven't found a way to tax the winnings. Not sure.....but possibly their first step to taxing the WWW.

20 posted on 10/03/2006 3:52:25 AM PDT by OBXWanderer
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To: baystaterebel

The government's real interest is in collecting the taxes that the internet gamblers aren't paying. It's always the money.


21 posted on 10/03/2006 3:57:07 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Taggart_D

It is not about tax. It is a sop to the mid-term elections because it is a vote-winner for many on the Christian-right.

It will not last much beyond that.


22 posted on 10/03/2006 3:58:25 AM PDT by Jack2006
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To: Jack2006
I just think it's a bit backward and a blow on personal freedom, when American adults cannot live their lives like the rest of the free world because it offends other Americans who have different beliefs.

Welcome to the Republican Party. We're Democrats with Bibles.

23 posted on 10/03/2006 3:59:45 AM PDT by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: Jack2006

good point


24 posted on 10/03/2006 3:59:46 AM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: Wormwood
Welcome to the Republican Party. We're Democrats with Bibles.

That's a tagline waiting to happen!

25 posted on 10/03/2006 4:01:53 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (http://folding.stanford.edu/ - - - -Folding@home. Free Republic team 36120)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
"I don't gamble but, why exactly is the Federal involved in this?"

The cynic in me says this is an attempt to protect our domestic gambling industry from foreign competition. But I'm sure there will now be a move to eliminate it as well because, obviously, the only agenda here is to protect the American family from the potential devastation of gambling. /s

26 posted on 10/03/2006 4:02:48 AM PDT by VRWCtaz ("Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness." - Thomas Paine)
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To: Wormwood

Maybe I am wrong, but the Republican Party always seemed the realists to me - bible in hand or not.

You cannot un-invent the modern world. Gambling shops and casinos have been in UK high streets since the sixties, without armaggeddon.


27 posted on 10/03/2006 4:08:13 AM PDT by Jack2006
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To: baystaterebel

You would think they could find something more useful to do with their time than this! Personal responsibility is what should govern gambling!!


28 posted on 10/03/2006 4:09:34 AM PDT by Proveit
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To: All
I've had it with these Republicans. I'm usually an across the board Republican Voter, but not this time. This was pretty slimy to attach this at the last second.

And of course, our President will approve it as he never veto's anything.
29 posted on 10/03/2006 4:16:06 AM PDT by excalibur1701
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To: Dahoser

A foolish man will be seperated from his money soon...


30 posted on 10/03/2006 4:16:59 AM PDT by observer5 (It's not a War on Terror - it's a WAR ON STUPIDITY)
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To: Taggart_D

We have a left wing government but we are not a Socialist State you make Britain sound like the old Eastern Block.

We have a free market economy in fact as far as gambling is concerned for the ordinary person much freer with betting shops in most towns.


31 posted on 10/03/2006 4:43:31 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME))
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To: observer5

Yep! And when they sit at a table with me thats exactly what happens.

Many who do not poker or know little about it think it is purely a game of chance. If you were only to be dealt one hand and bet it all on the outcome you would be correct.

But that is not how it works.

As they say, the more I practice the luckier I get.


32 posted on 10/03/2006 4:43:55 AM PDT by baystaterebel (http://omphalosgazer.blogspot.com/)
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To: goldstategop
You can still go to your local Indian reservation and gamble

Why should I have to go to a friggin' Indian reservation when I have a computer right here in my house?

33 posted on 10/03/2006 4:44:22 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: baystaterebel

(""It is extraordinary how many American families have been touched by large losses from Internet gambling," said US Representative Jim Leach........." )

How about large losses families suffer of sending an 18 year old warriors to get,blinded,maimed,crippled and/or killed playing social worker for a war they have no idea how to get out of?
Instead these stupid bastards will now pay 2 FBI guys a 150K a year to spy on some slob making a 25 dollar football bet on Sunday.
What these clueless fascist frauds like Frist,Kyle Leach et al. did do is open up a new/old market of brick and mortar street books.
Here a tip for ya, Frist and frauds,get off the phone with that 14 year old and call up your book and take the Dodgers +130 against the Mets.....you'll need the money when your in the unemployment line when you and your righteous hypocrates get voted out of office.


34 posted on 10/03/2006 4:45:47 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: baystaterebel

Will Bush stop me from 'gambling' in the stock market over the internet, too?


35 posted on 10/03/2006 4:48:26 AM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: baystaterebel
have been touched by large losses from Internet gambling,

I know a woman who has a 5 figure credit card debt , quite a bit from clothes but mostly from shoes .

Next we need to ban woman's shoes , maybe a maximum purchase of once a month like they want to do with guns
36 posted on 10/03/2006 4:53:35 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: grjr21

(have been touched by large losses from Internet gambling,

I know a woman who has a 5 figure credit card debt , quite a bit from clothes but mostly from shoes .)

How about large losses from credit card companies intrest they charge from going from 6% intrest to 15% interest in fine print that these politicians say they can't control from these loan shark credit card companies.Its funny the politicians don't try to protect my money then.


37 posted on 10/03/2006 5:02:01 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: Jack2006

J,
I don't think most of the "religious right" gives a rip about this. It isn't in their top 5 anyway.
A


38 posted on 10/03/2006 5:04:44 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: Diverdogz

possibly-

one thing this dufus government found out -

How easy it is for terrorists and other goverments to

launder money. And our banks are willing accomplices to

allow anyone to do large transactions without them knowing

the trail of money-


39 posted on 10/03/2006 5:15:55 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: grjr21
Some are under the impression that playing online poker is illegal and falls under the 1961 Wire Act. This is not true.

From Wikipedia:

"The Interstate Wire Act of 1961, often called the Federal Wire Act, is a United States federal law prohibiting the operation of certain types of betting businesses in the United States. It begins with the text:

Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.[1] The law has been interpreted by some, including the Department of Justice, to mean that all online gambling is illegal. However, U.S. Courts have ruled to the contrary. Also, many believe the phrase "in the business of" means only businesses are affected. Some argue that the law only covers sports betting, and not other forms of gambling such as poker.

The U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the Wire Act applies only to sports betting and not other types of online gambling.[2] The Supreme Court has not ruled on the meaning of the Federal Wire Act as it pertains to online gambling."

40 posted on 10/03/2006 5:19:50 AM PDT by baystaterebel (http://omphalosgazer.blogspot.com/)
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To: mj1234

You can use the WoT to excuse anything. I am not sure about many things but I AM sure that 888.com are not laundering money for Al Qaeda.


41 posted on 10/03/2006 5:24:10 AM PDT by Jack2006
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To: frogjerk

Ping


42 posted on 10/03/2006 5:29:31 AM PDT by prous
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To: baystaterebel

*""It is extraordinary how many American families have been touched by large losses from Internet gambling," said US Representative Jim Leach........."*

A legitimate issue, the financial losses. How about dealing with the biggest financial loss facing the American public, the one that Congress can un-create in a flash?

That loss is the poor sucker who goes into his IRA before age 59 1/2 to pay catastrophic medical expenses without paying the penalty taxes and fees. The IRS has entire call centers that do nothing but hound these people into bankruptcy and homelessness. C'mon Mr. Leach, allow an exception for medical expenses if you really care about the chilrun.

What this is about is the Las Vegas and Indian casinos paid off everyone to limit competition.


43 posted on 10/03/2006 5:30:07 AM PDT by spudsmaki
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To: baystaterebel

Good thing I can still gamble on stocks going up or down.

Oops! I mean invest my money on stocks going up or down.

It's all about the nomenclature, right congress?


44 posted on 10/03/2006 5:58:16 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: baystaterebel
"I've seen the future, you wanna know what it is? It's a 47 year old virgin sitting in his beige pajamas eating a banana and brocoli milkshake singing 'Im an Oscar Meyer Weiner'"

From that Shakespearian classic "Demolition Man".

45 posted on 10/03/2006 6:24:01 AM PDT by Jack2006
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To: baystaterebel

Thank you, President Bush, for saving me from myself.


46 posted on 10/03/2006 6:32:09 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I don't think most of the "religious right" gives a rip about this. It isn't in their top 5 anyway.

Couldn't agree with you more. I'd consider myself and my kind to be about as right-wing extremist as it gets these days, and gambling is NOWHERE on our radar screens.

The Christian right is the straw-man of this whole gambling ban brew-ha-ha. It's really all about the domestic gaming lobbies(casinos, horses, lotteries, etc.) and about lost taxation opportunities (ie. the government not getting its cut).

47 posted on 10/03/2006 10:56:50 PM PDT by rhinohunter
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To: rhinohunter

Agreed,
Though if Rendell were to propose a slots casino in my community, it would make the top of my list! Internet gambling - don't think so. I do think it should be regulated.
ampu


48 posted on 10/04/2006 5:00:47 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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