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ABC ONLINE GLITCH LEADS TO IDENTITY OF FOLEY ACCUSER; FEATURED IM EXCHANGE WAS WITH 18 YEAR OLD
The Drudge Report ^ | 10-04-06 | Drudge

Posted on 10/04/2006 5:12:16 PM PDT by jrooney

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To: KJC1

What an odd exchange.
Foley knows where the legal boundaries are, and the man made a point of mentioning his age.
How weird.
Wonder how much the young man wanted from Foley to keep this a secret.


601 posted on 10/04/2006 6:50:17 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: All

Well, I don't know about the rest of you.... But I'm thinking ABC News needs to repent like the men of Nineveh! Or something like that...I'm kind of confused now...that lady scares me!


602 posted on 10/04/2006 6:50:31 PM PDT by txroadkill
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To: Palladin
Who is Isatook?

Man I am so far behind here.

603 posted on 10/04/2006 6:50:32 PM PDT by Dog
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To: KJC1
The real scoop is that the page was under 18 for part of the IM exchanges.

The REAL scoop is that ABC, possibly at the behest of some political action group, misrepresented the IMs it had, and, deliberately or not, misled its viewers as to what Foley was saying to this person and when.

Foley's character is not the issue any more. It is the MSM's willingness to obfuscate facts in order to influence an election (again).

604 posted on 10/04/2006 6:50:32 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: jrooney

Let's be fair. O'Reilly then asked Brian Ross if he knew about the new information that George Sorus was behind the group that was pushing the info on the text messages.


605 posted on 10/04/2006 6:50:50 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: Palladin

I suspect Mr. Istook has already taken care of that.


606 posted on 10/04/2006 6:51:09 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: The_Reader_David
it would be *really* hard to make the exchange about getting together for dinner, 'and we'll see' after his 18th birthday stick as an internet solicitation of a minor charge.

I agree.

607 posted on 10/04/2006 6:51:25 PM PDT by Alia
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To: jrooney

OMG!

Another one.


608 posted on 10/04/2006 6:51:25 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
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To: woofie; Fishtalk

I hope you aren't in high office.
Sex with your sister is a no-no.


609 posted on 10/04/2006 6:51:32 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: KJC1

He may have been under 18, but nothing was planned till after he turned 18. Thats what's important.


610 posted on 10/04/2006 6:51:34 PM PDT by Northeastern_Realist
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To: greasepaint

yes


611 posted on 10/04/2006 6:51:46 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: pepperdog

Not only that, check out #436. The IM there does indeed look like Jordan is coming on to Foley, or at least ratcheting up the interest.


612 posted on 10/04/2006 6:51:58 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: PatriotCJC

"The Brian Ross Model"


613 posted on 10/04/2006 6:52:26 PM PDT by lunarville (Move over Dan Rather - Love Brian)
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To: Tatze

You are correct. The IM I referenced early had the teen talking about his fake ID during an exchange about going out to get a drink.


614 posted on 10/04/2006 6:52:43 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: stillbjorn
I have very strong suspicions about the authenticity of the IMs
I know you can cut & paste IM Text as well as alter them. But this point has never been made.
615 posted on 10/04/2006 6:52:55 PM PDT by Nav_Mom
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To: letsgonova19087

I'm sure it will all be sorted out in time...
I hope all these im's were just to the 18 year old....then all the media did was embarrass a man from a private LEGAL conversation......


616 posted on 10/04/2006 6:53:08 PM PDT by Fawn (http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/toilet_obsession.html)
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To: Tatze
When he says he's not 18 until Feb. 23...

* Were the IMs from BEFORE Feb. 23, 2003 or AFTER Feb. 23, 2003?

*If the former, he would have been 18 on Feb. 23, 2003; if the latter, he'd have been 18 not until Feb. 23, 2004, in which case he's still 20 (as of today).
617 posted on 10/04/2006 6:53:11 PM PDT by jdm
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To: wouldntbprudent

Yep.

LLS


618 posted on 10/04/2006 6:53:27 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

hahahahaahhaahah
Thanks for that laugh~!!


619 posted on 10/04/2006 6:53:30 PM PDT by Nav_Mom
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To: NinoFan

You may be right. Maybe I just have Foley Fatigue. Keep in mind that that is only a snippet of that IM, and the page did in fact say he didn't want to do anything "illegal." What would that be? I just don't want to see us put all of our eggs in this basket.

There is still the looming question of how these IMs got out, who knew and who hung on to them to spring them now.


620 posted on 10/04/2006 6:53:32 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: TXBubba; LibLieSlayer

I wish I could transcribe better but:

Colmes and the "Young Democrats" chick were following their talking points, familiar to all of us now.

Sean is barely holding back a laugh while looking at his laptop PC and brings out the Drudge "scoop" about the guy being 18.

Ann C. previously had mentioned, in reply to demos' demands that Hastert should have gone into Foley's correspondence with the line we have bandied about here: "You dems won't let us eavesdrop on Al Qaida and now you want us to wiretap a US Congressman...?

At this time Colmes jaw is dropping and the demo chick is starting to stammer.

Ann keeps jabbing sarcastically about how come now democrats are against gay stuuf or some such...Colmes goes back to the "minors" and consent stuff...Sean then brings the demo creep who banged a 17 yearl old page way back when and who only got censured by Congress but went on to reelection and standing ovations...the demo chick could only say "I wasn't a democrat then...if I were I would have called for resignation.

Then Ann brings up Monica Lewdwinsky and Clintoon and now Colmes and the Demo chick are begging for a commercial break.

When they come back from the break it seemed as if the subject was being changed pronto.

I'm sure Fox will save this segment.

I gotta go serve me another drink...be back


621 posted on 10/04/2006 6:53:48 PM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: Palladin

I do feel sadness for Jordan and his parents. He's apparently not a very nice chap (some here have said they know him and are "not impressed"), but now he's truly Lewinski-ized.

He's a very young man who will always be known for this escapade.


622 posted on 10/04/2006 6:53:55 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Tatze

That's unclear. LEO's commenting on the issue say they don't make arrests on the basis of the Federal anti-solicitation-or-minors statute until the perp actually shows up in hope of actual sex with a minor, which wouldn't apply here since the dinner date was being arranged for after J.E.'s 18th birthday.


623 posted on 10/04/2006 6:54:04 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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Now we have another statement from the speaker spokesman, simply saying this matter has been referred to the Standards Committee and we fully expect the bipartisan panel will do what it needs to investigate. Behind the scenes, some of the leadership aides here are trying to make the case that perhaps Kirk Fordham is upset about the fact that he's no longer here. He was let go today. He -- Kirk Fordham made clear that he was leaving on his own, unclear exactly what happened behind the scenes that led to his departure today.

BLITZER: And what are you hearing up on the Hill, Dana, about Hastert's future?

BASH: You know if you had asked me that a couple of hours ago, several hours ago, I would have said that the speaker's office was feeling pretty good about the counteroffensive that they have been waging to try to essentially keep his job despite the fact that a top conservative newspaper yesterday and other conservatives have said that he should have resigned. But the atmosphere has changed dramatically tonight, although you know as I said, the speaker's office is pushing back against these allegations. We certainly haven't heard the end of it and I talked to one Republican, senior Republican strategist earlier today who said he would be surprised if the speaker still is in his job at the week's end.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/04/sitroom.03.html


624 posted on 10/04/2006 6:54:07 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: wouldntbprudent

Follow the money.


625 posted on 10/04/2006 6:54:20 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Pukin Dog

I am proud to say that between Foleygate, and the rampant smear attacks on George Allen, I got off my ass and *finally* got my driver's license moved to Virginia today, registering to vote up here to the process. So I'll be there on 7 November to put a boot in Jim "Born Idiot" Webb's butt, and do my part. Motivation is a wonderful thing.

}:-)4


626 posted on 10/04/2006 6:54:28 PM PDT by Moose4 (They caught me white and nerdy.)
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To: jrooney
This is the nail in the coffin for the donks capturing the house or the senate. A few days from now, everyone will know the truth and start looking at the donks and ABC. Once sitting elected donks are tied to knowing about these IMS when repubs did not, the dam will overflow.

Really, it changes nothing. If anything, it's a misrepresentation of one part of the story by ABC. It doesn't make the rest of the facts just disappear.

627 posted on 10/04/2006 6:54:35 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: AmericanInTokyo
It must be good if your bookmarking it Twice! ;o)

One of the other FReepers is calling it "laundering scandals" by the RATS. Sounds about accurate.

628 posted on 10/04/2006 6:54:36 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Even The Nicest Pug Has An Evil Twin)
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To: Pukin Dog
Eternal vigilence is the price of liberty.

Now this information needs wide dissemination. FR can help that along. Send concise , accurate messages to people who have a louder blowhorn.

629 posted on 10/04/2006 6:54:37 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: LowOiL

WHo is that?


630 posted on 10/04/2006 6:54:44 PM PDT by Fawn (http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/toilet_obsession.html)
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To: jrooney

Irony:

National Coming Out Day is observed on October 11 by members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) communities and their allies.

The day commemorates October 11, 1987, when 500,000 people marched on Washington, USA, for gay and lesbian equality. National Coming Out Day events are aimed at raising awareness of the LGBT community among the general populace in an effort to give a familiar face to the LGBT rights movement.

In the United States, the Human Rights Campaign manages the event under the National Coming Out Project offering resources to LGBT couples, parents and their children as well as straight friends and relatives to promote awareness of LGBT families living honest and open lives.

Candace Gingrich became the spokesperson for the day in April 1995.

For an explanation of "coming out" and related terms, see coming out.


631 posted on 10/04/2006 6:55:21 PM PDT by woofie
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To: ground_fog

H&C mentioned it during broadcast.


632 posted on 10/04/2006 6:55:24 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Even The Nicest Pug Has An Evil Twin)
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To: jdm

The birthday info. is further back in the thread. He is 21 today. That has been established.


633 posted on 10/04/2006 6:56:11 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: KJC1

I actually thought I heard someone say in DC the age was 16?


634 posted on 10/04/2006 6:56:11 PM PDT by Fawn (http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/toilet_obsession.html)
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To: Tatze
ABC has apparently updated thier story:

This message was dated April 2003, at approximately 7 p.m., according to the message time stamp at a time when the teen had been 18 for just six weeks. (Some sharp online readers spotted that the boy was technically legal when the exchange took place).

635 posted on 10/04/2006 6:56:28 PM PDT by Tatze (This tagline is brought to you by the Admin Moderator!)
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To: NinoFan
Actually, the guy wasn't a page at the time the relationship started. The guy was part of the 2001-2002 "class". The conversations were in 2003.

So it the guy was over 18, not an employee, didn't have sex but just came on by Foley in some IM (and apparently hit on in some IM that were not "blocked"(you can block someones from sending you and IM if the start to bother you...I.E. the guy didn't say no to Foley)

Other then a sick creeper dirty old man, Foley committed no crime

Foley wasn't sued and didn't lie about it under oath...

If the guy over 18...Foley just a Gay Bill Clinton with out any of the criminal part, sexual harassment and lie under oath part>

That assuming this started wen the guy was over 18... under 18 is attempted statutory rape... the guy was under the age of consent

636 posted on 10/04/2006 6:56:38 PM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back their race over country)
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To: Tatze
No one has defended Foley~!!
The objections I see are to the double standard from the Democrats, as well as the distortion & manipulation of the FACTS!!
Sheesh Foley is finished what do you want blood?
637 posted on 10/04/2006 6:56:46 PM PDT by Nav_Mom
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To: Fawn

The page whom this thread is about.


638 posted on 10/04/2006 6:56:56 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: RedCell
This is why I rarely watch H&C any longer. My stress level goes through the roof when everybody starts talking over eachother.

Me too. I have their program muted most of the time.

639 posted on 10/04/2006 6:57:14 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: jdm

He turned 18 on Feb 23, 2003.


640 posted on 10/04/2006 6:57:27 PM PDT by Tatze (This tagline is brought to you by the Admin Moderator!)
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To: Fawn

ex-page to be more exact.


641 posted on 10/04/2006 6:57:31 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: cll

Thank you!


642 posted on 10/04/2006 6:57:33 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: jrooney

DICK MORRIS SAYS THAT HE WAS TOLD BY A MAJOR dim JOURNALIST THAT HE HAS PROOF THAT nancy pelosi AND OTHER dim leaders HAD THE IM'S 3 MONTHS AGO!

dim leadership knew... while foley bl** (an EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD man)!

LLS


643 posted on 10/04/2006 6:57:45 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: All

Compiled links about this:

http://markedmanner.blogspot.com/2006/10/foley-accuser-was-18-breaking.html


644 posted on 10/04/2006 6:58:03 PM PDT by markedmannerf ("Putting a Mark on the Manner of Liberals" http://www.markedmanner.blogspot.com)
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To: Fawn

It is, but a Federal law (sponsored as a bill in the House by Foley) makes it a Federal crime to use the internet to solicit sex from a minor, irrespective of local age of consent laws.

(Which leads to the question of whether an e-mail from a husband to his 16 year old wife duely married under the laws of DC or Kansas signed "NORWICH" is a violation of Federal law, but I digress.)


645 posted on 10/04/2006 6:59:13 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: TXBubba
So he was either 17 or 18 when those IMs happened. Which is it? If ABC is reporting the IMs are from 2003, they're not being specific enough. What month in 2003?
646 posted on 10/04/2006 6:59:23 PM PDT by jdm
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Oh, enjoy away...I'm enjoying too. I just have some skepticism that the media will admit they lied and that this aspect of the story will get out. I don't think the media can afford a backlash against Democrats with only 34 days to go before the election. We'll see though. The force of Fox and the alternative media may force media play on this just like with Rathergate. Anyway, I'm happy tonight too after feeling a bit hopeless and deflated after listening to this story all day. So don't let me stop you!


647 posted on 10/04/2006 6:59:28 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: Pukin Dog

Well, they can thank the Gorebot for that. LOL.


648 posted on 10/04/2006 6:59:39 PM PDT by vrwcagent0498 (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter are my patron saints.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Oh, enjoy away...I'm enjoying too. I just have some skepticism that the media will admit they lied and that this aspect of the story will get out. I don't think the media can afford a backlash against Democrats with only 34 days to go before the election. We'll see though. The force of Fox and the alternative media may force media play on this just like with Rathergate. Anyway, I'm happy tonight too after feeling a bit hopeless and deflated after listening to this story all day. So don't let me stop you!


649 posted on 10/04/2006 6:59:59 PM PDT by MikeA (Foley has resigned. Bin Laden is not. That is what at stake in this election, not some pervert.)
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To: tophat9000

Well, it was a former page of his, so that part is kind of creepy, but yes, he wasn't a current employee, so there's technically no rule against that.

As for his age, it appears that while they started their friendship and IM conversations before the "kid" turned 18, the stuff that would have been illegal with a minor didn't happen until he was after 18. Thus, no crime.

It seems more and more like this is just the Dems outing a creepy gay man.


650 posted on 10/04/2006 7:00:25 PM PDT by NinoFan
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