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Genetic evidence for punctuated equilibrium
The Scientist ^ | 06 October 2006 | Melissa Lee Phillips

Posted on 10/07/2006 9:08:18 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry

IT should be obvious to most people that punctuated equilibria is NOT science. All this theory does is try and explain that ancestry should not be discernible in the fossil record (why? Because it's not in the fossil record so they have to come up with some explanation) Some scientists think punctuated equilibria and neo-Darwinism are nearly the same. That view is mistaken. The two theories are totally different. They share only their commitment to common descent. New darwinists believed in gradual evolution through phyletic lineages. they expected to see gradual intergradations and identifiable phylogeny. But the fossil record did not display either. So what do they do? They claim the fossil record is incomplete
The punctuationists are convinced the fossil record is not that incomplete and must be taken more literally. So, they invented a theory that expects neither gradual intergradations nor identifiable phlogeny.
These two theories could hardly be more different and still be common descent. They cut straight to the center of the origins controversy.
The funny thing about this is that punctuationists say their idea is testable. They feel that gradual fossil series would refute their theory. Gould said, if morphological adaptations usually accumulate with no tendency to any rapid initial setting and stabilization, then punctuated equilibrium is wrong.

Get it?

One can refute punctuated equilibria only by providing convincing evidence that evolution has occurred. What does this say? Evolutionary descent with modification has at last descended, modified, and adapted itself right out of science.

Who are these punctuated equilibria guys? not biologists but generally paleontologists - like Stephen Gould.

In short, the whole towering theoretical enterprise of punctuated equilibria was driven by problems with the fossil record. It does not predict genetics or any other well-understood biological process. It simply constructs a theory to adapt evolutionary theory in explaining the observed fossil record.

What's really funny is that punctuated equilibria is what creationists have always said. So evolutionists are trying to steal the creationists prediction

Weinbert, an evolutionists even said "So the creationist prediction of systematic gaps in the fossil record has no value in validating the creationist model, since evolution theory makes precisely the same prediction."

But .........hmmmmmmm........who knew this even before information was accumulated about the fossil record? The fossil record broke Darwin's heart and it's still a problem for for the evolutionary illusionists today.


361 posted on 10/09/2006 10:01:11 PM PDT by caffe (W)
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To: Sofa King

362 posted on 10/09/2006 10:06:14 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: caffe

Excellent!

Bravo!

Take a bow!


363 posted on 10/09/2006 10:41:32 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
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To: caffe
Any chance of an answer about whether or not you agree with the brilliant scientists Behe, Denton, and Meyer about the relationship between ID and evolution, and the truth of evolution? You are the one who called the ID scientists brilliant, yet you don't seem to accept evolution as they do.
364 posted on 10/09/2006 11:07:22 PM PDT by Thatcherite (I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)
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To: caffe

Why should anyone be interested in your attempt to define punctuated equilibrium into something which it isn't, a rejection of evolution? Gould had utter contempt for people like you, who twisted his work and his words.


365 posted on 10/09/2006 11:09:36 PM PDT by Thatcherite (I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)
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To: caffe; trashcanbred
... ID has tons of brilliant scientists ...

I know that's a metaphorical expression, but let's look at it in a literal sense. Tons = 4000 pounds or more. At 150-200 pounds per average scientist, that would be at least 20-30 "ID scientists". I seriously doubt there are that many in the entire world, even if you leave off "brilliant".

Don't try to counter this with that list the DI people cooked up; it was scientists who said they don't think Darwinian evolution is the whole story, and that more research is needed; that is not the same as saying they agreed with ID in any way shape or form.

366 posted on 10/10/2006 3:28:39 AM PDT by Virginia-American (Don't bring a comic book to an encyclopedia fight)
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To: caffe
I answered your questions. Obviously not the answers you wanted but that's rather mute isn't it? Your obvously an egotistical control freak.

Mute? Do you mean "moot?

No, actually you didn't respond to any of my remarks. I took the time out to answer you point for point and you dismissed it as a rant which I so graciously proved it wasn't.

367 posted on 10/10/2006 4:18:05 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Virginia-American

Don't bring a comic book to an encyclopedia fight


368 posted on 10/10/2006 6:46:40 AM PDT by caffe (W)
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To: trashcanbred

How about "mute" and "moot"


369 posted on 10/10/2006 6:57:22 AM PDT by caffe (W)
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===> Placemarker <===
370 posted on 10/10/2006 8:12:33 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Boxen

Well, except that I didn't "write" the link, I cut and pasted what I was provided by P.K. I'll check out the link you posted here, thanks.


371 posted on 10/10/2006 8:25:36 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: atlaw

It's because your a heck of a nice guy, that's why.


372 posted on 10/10/2006 8:26:33 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: balrog666

Thanks, for whatever this is suppose to be. All I have is a box with a red X in the center. Thanks anyway.


373 posted on 10/10/2006 8:27:49 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: caffe

Whatever... I highly recommend the next time you decide to debate me actually come prepared. Or better yet, just don't do it.


374 posted on 10/10/2006 8:28:35 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: SoldierDad

I cut and pasted the first link directly from Professor Kill's post. I cut and pasted the second link directly from your post. The two are very clearly different.

Is your PC playing tricks on you?


375 posted on 10/10/2006 8:46:58 AM PDT by Boxen (Branigan's law is like Branigan's love--Hard and fast.)
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To: caffe
Are you going to respond to my post 287?
376 posted on 10/10/2006 8:48:21 AM PDT by Boxen (Branigan's law is like Branigan's love--Hard and fast.)
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To: Boxen; caffe
Are you going to respond to my post 287?

He'll probably get around to it at about the same time as he gets around to My post 291 Curiously he extols the wonders of the brilliant scientists who endorse ID, while posting evolution rejecting rants; yet Behe, Denton, and Meyer all endorse evolution.

377 posted on 10/10/2006 9:09:35 AM PDT by Thatcherite (I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)
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To: Thatcherite; caffe; Boxen
He would not answer my points at Post 290 and for some reason tried to deceptively spin it around that my whole post was a rant on Pat Robertson. He isn't exactly the most intellectually honest person.

I think he ran for the hills...

378 posted on 10/10/2006 10:04:23 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Boxen

Possibly, but the original that I received from P.K. was not "lite up" as a directional link - it was black and did not have the "click-on" function (not sure how else to describe). Since you've sent the link such that I can click and get sent to that site, then I can access what was originally provided - thanks.


379 posted on 10/10/2006 10:07:04 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: trashcanbred; Thatcherite; Boxen

I'm a she and I don't believe I ever said I was an ID person. I said I believe ID should be taught in schools as it is in my daughter's private school. Atleast ID'ers scientifically poke holes in the Darwin school and consider that intelligence appears to be behind creation. I'm a total young earth creationist and proud of it.

Now, if you want to discuss my post about the topic..check post # 361


380 posted on 10/10/2006 10:21:07 AM PDT by caffe (W)
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