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North Korea Reported to Have Tested Nuclear Weapons (U.S. Official Confirms N. Korean Nuclear Test)

Posted on 10/08/2006 7:43:33 PM PDT by Ragnar Danneskjold

CNBC Asia, South Korea Wire Services Reporting


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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To: silentknight
CAVUTO: You don't negotiate with someone who's crazy, right? I mean, you would never have accepted a letter from Slobodan Milosevic, right? Neither would Bill Clinton, right? I mean, crazy is crazy is crazy...

ALBRIGHT: We talked with slobodan milosevic and I went to see Kim Jong Il, the leader of North Korea, because I thought it was worth talking to them to see...

CAVUTO: But you acknowledged in the latter case that you were dealing with a nut?

ALBRIGHT: I actually said he wasn't a nut. I said that he was rational, he was...what he is, is isolated. He's not a nut. But he has only cash crop...

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The leftist media spin is that the current crisis in North Asia is the result of George W. Bush calling Pyongyang a member of the 'axis of evil.' In reality, the soft-line appeasement policy taken by Clinton against North Korea and China is what has led us to this point.

For example, former Clinton adviser Paul Begala, now serving as a talking head on CNN, claimed that the Clinton administration contained the threat from North Korea. Clearly, Mr. Begala missed the 1990s.

Of course, Mr. Begala simply forgot that Clinton's military chief of staff testified in 1998 that North Korea did not have an active ballistic missile program. One week later the North Koreans launched a missile over Japan that landed off the Alaska coast.

During the early Clinton years, hard-liners and so-called conservative hawks advocated a pre-emptive strike to halt North Korea's nuclear weapons development before it could field an atomic bomb. Instead of taking the hard line, President Clinton elected to rely on former President Jimmy Carter and decided to appease the Marxist-Stalinist dictatorship.

Carter met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-il in Pyongyang and returned to America waving a piece of paper and declaring peace in our time. Kim, according to Carter, had agreed to stop his nuclear weapons development.

The Clinton appeasement program for North Korea included hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, food, oil and even a nuclear reactor. However, the agreement was flawed and lacked even the most informal means of verification.

In return, Kim elected to starve his people while using the American aid to build uranium bombs. The lowest estimate is that Kim starved to death over 1 million of his own people, even with the U.S. aid program.

301 posted on 10/08/2006 8:58:10 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Ragnar Danneskjold

FOXNEWS per Bush admin official - NKoreans may not have gotten what they wanted (under 400kt level)


302 posted on 10/08/2006 8:58:12 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: nopardons

Any word on fall out risk in Japan as a result of this test? (Radiation? Again? That would *really* irritate the hell out of them.)


303 posted on 10/08/2006 8:58:22 PM PDT by Marie (Welcome to Texas! (Be friendly or we'll shoot you.))
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To: newzjunkey

Reporting that it was not a success.


304 posted on 10/08/2006 8:58:23 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: pollywog

S. Korea confirmed security meeting started 11:30 am there.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_iHY63Panlo&refer=home


305 posted on 10/08/2006 8:58:33 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Gay democrats... you are about to go the way of blacks for illegals votes... your party.)
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To: nopardons
You act like the US will have a choice.

What choice did Japan give us ?

306 posted on 10/08/2006 8:59:10 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: grey_whiskers

Yes, but with a supercomputer, you can design a high-yield device and run virtual tests: what we do now that we're signatories to the NTB.

Truth be told, the Japanese Defense Ministry probably has, if not a partially assembled device, certainly blueprints and the ability to machine and assemble all the pieces the moment the Diet gives the okay.


307 posted on 10/08/2006 8:59:39 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: ASA Vet; All
Foxnews is reporting now that a "Senior Bush administration official" there was indeed a nuclear test in North Korea but the test was less than what the North Koreans wanted. They wanted to test 400 Kilotons bomb but they got less than this and hence the lower Richter scale measurement.
308 posted on 10/08/2006 8:59:49 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: furquhart

Well, give me some credit....I DID throw in the Balkans, but I was NOT serious. Didn't you actually read what I wrote, then?


309 posted on 10/08/2006 8:59:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: pollywog
How at risk are American's living in SOUTH Korea right now? I have a nephew that lives in Seoul.

Americans wouldn't be under any more risk than anyone else in South Korea.

While this is very serious news, NK is not going to just nuke South Korea out of the blue. They will threaten it, however, if the US or anyone else tries to disarm NK.

310 posted on 10/08/2006 9:00:17 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Enterprise

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1716064/posts


311 posted on 10/08/2006 9:00:27 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: silent_jonny; GretchenM; ohioWfan; mystery-ak

This was the reason for the look of worry on W's face at the GHWB aircraft carrier event. I always get concerned when I see that look.


312 posted on 10/08/2006 9:01:03 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Bernard Marx
Who used ALL of Leo Szilard's previous work on splitting the atom, as well has having him of the team.
313 posted on 10/08/2006 9:01:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: rjp2005
400kt is very, very high for a first generation nuclear device.

Short of a bomb similar to our now long retired Mark-18 weapon or else a thermonuclear weapon.

If they were trying to fire off a thermonuclear device, then what probably happened was only the primary fired but the secondary stage was a fizzle.

314 posted on 10/08/2006 9:01:42 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: jveritas

Interesting that the New Japanese PM was in red China Sunday.




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China, Japan break ice as N.Korea casts shadow
Sun Oct 8, 2006 11:35 AM ET



By Teruaki Ueno and Lindsay Beck

BEIJING (Reuters) - China hailed a visit by new Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Sunday as a "turning point" in relations as they agreed to upgrade ties and denounced North Korea's plans for a nuclear test as unacceptable.

Beijing had refused summits with Abe's predecessor Junichiro Koizumi, who stepped down last month, because of his repeated pilgrimages to Tokyo's Yasukuni Shrine to war dead, seen by critics as glorifying Japan's past militarism.

But Chinese leaders struck a conciliatory tone and Abe expressed "deep remorse" for past Japanese actions as he broke with tradition in making his first trip abroad since taking office on September 26 to China, rather than the United States.

"Your visit is serving as a turning point in China-Japan relations and I hope it will also serve as a new starting point for the improvement and development of bilateral ties," China's Xinhua news agency quoted Chinese President Hu Jinta as telling Abe.

At a meeting with Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, both sides expressed hope of overcoming animosity linked to Koizumi's regular war shrine visits, which angered China and hampered progress on territorial, trade and energy disputes.

Chinese leaders agreed in principle to an invitation from Abe to visit Japan, China's foreign ministry said. State television also quoted Wen as saying China and Japan should keep up mutual visits by state leaders, suspended since 2001.

Mending ties is key to addressing a threat by reclusive North Korea to conduct a nuclear test, an issue high on the agenda during Abe's two-day visit to Beijing, host to stalled six-party talks on the North Korean nuclear issue.

"Japan and China shared the view that North Korea's nuclear test is unacceptable. And this is a strong message to North Korea," Abe told reporters.

A joint statement said the two sides "expressed deep concern" over the threatened nuclear test.

In Seoul, a senior Japanese official said the North Korea situation was "a very urgent matter".

"We can see the fragility of the security situation in East Asia because of North Korea," he said, adding that North Korea's return to six-party talks was "an absolute necessity".

Abe flies to South Korea on Monday for talks with President Roh Moo-hyun that are expected to focus on North Korea's threat.

"DEEP REMORSE"

China and Japan also agreed to "elevate" relations to a higher level, their joint statement said.

Abe said he wished to "build a relationship of trust with Chinese leaders".

"Sixty years of Japan's post-war history is built on our deep remorse for our country inflicting grave damage and suffering and left scars on the people of Asia," Abe told reporters. "I feel certain that my visit to China this time will lead Sino-Japanese ties to a higher level," he said.

Abe's Beijing visit is seen as a chance for a fresh start for the two countries, whose economic interdependence has grown despite the political chill.

China replaced the United States as Japan's top trade partner in 2004. Japan's trade with China, including Hong Kong, reached $212 billion last year.

"The change of government gives an opportunity for both sides to build a new relationship regardless of what has happened up to now," an aide to Abe told reporters in Beijing.

Both China and South Korea had refused summits with Koizumi because of his pilgrimages to Yasukuni, which is seen by critics as glorifying militarism by Japan, which occupied parts of China from 1931-45.

Abe, at 52 the first Japanese premier born after World War Two, has defended Koizumi's visits to Yasukuni. Abe has also paid his respects there in the past, but again declined on Sunday to say whether he would do so as prime minister.

Experts have warned that his diplomacy could backfire in Beijing and Seoul if he later visits Yasukuni.

(Additional reporting by Linda Sieg in Tokyo and Jon Herskovitz in Seoul)



315 posted on 10/08/2006 9:01:42 PM PDT by Covenantor (Ghurka, Ghurka mohamed jihad, some things just beg for cold steel)
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To: NinoFan

why?


316 posted on 10/08/2006 9:01:53 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Jet Jaguar

Bingo.


317 posted on 10/08/2006 9:02:23 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Gay democrats... you are about to go the way of blacks for illegals votes... your party.)
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To: bitt

So now we have THREE of the same threads :)


318 posted on 10/08/2006 9:02:24 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: Covenantor

This test makes China look like fools.


319 posted on 10/08/2006 9:02:38 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: STARWISE

YOU ARE CORRECT. He has been looking exhausted.


320 posted on 10/08/2006 9:02:50 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: silentknight
Unsure how this plays out

It is now out of the Dimwits and the Pubbies hands. National security has it.

321 posted on 10/08/2006 9:03:18 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: conservativepoet

How much you wanna bet Russia knew when China knew... or before?


322 posted on 10/08/2006 9:03:58 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Gay democrats... you are about to go the way of blacks for illegals votes... your party.)
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To: STARWISE

Big Target.


323 posted on 10/08/2006 9:04:01 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: silentknight

bet there are at LEAST 6 more... :)


324 posted on 10/08/2006 9:04:06 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: rjp2005

400kt is ridiculous for a first test. I highly doubt the Koreans were expecting that size explosion, which would be one of the largest fission explosions of all time. I think FOX might have their story wrong on that point.

Unless of course they were attempting a fusion boost, which is also somewhat strange for a first test.


325 posted on 10/08/2006 9:04:28 PM PDT by Phocion ("Protection" really means exploiting the consumer. - Milton Friedman)
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To: jveritas

That seems extremely dubious - sure some zeros weren't tacked on?

400 kt requires a thermonuclear device and it's actually bigger than the warhead on a Minuteman missle.


326 posted on 10/08/2006 9:04:59 PM PDT by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: STARWISE
too bad the Clinton interview on Fox wasn't schedulued for this week....would of been interesting to see his reaction if asked why did he make that idiotic deal in ther 1990's

anyone been on DU? what is their reaction

327 posted on 10/08/2006 9:05:03 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: sageb1

Get a copy of "ON THE BEACH"; it's the first of the genre and about as silly.


328 posted on 10/08/2006 9:05:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Phocion
I think FOX might have their story wrong on that point.

NO WAY! That's impossible. I've had total confidence in Fox since they reported Gore won the Supreme Court decision in the 2000 election.

329 posted on 10/08/2006 9:05:47 PM PDT by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: rjp2005
FOXNEWS per Bush admin official - NKoreans may not have gotten what they wanted (under 400kt level)

Based on info here, and knowing that the Richter scale is exponential, the size seems very low, like < 10 Ktons.

Caveat: Depth, rock make-up, etc can certainly make all of my assumptions absolutely incorrect.
330 posted on 10/08/2006 9:06:13 PM PDT by Deek
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To: Strategerist
Thanks for the explanation, you may be very correct. As you know journalists are not the brightest people on the planet so I am just posting what they said on Foxnews :)
331 posted on 10/08/2006 9:06:22 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: AliVeritas

How much you wanna bet Russia knew when China knew... or before?

_____________


I think you're right.




332 posted on 10/08/2006 9:06:22 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: silentknight

I bet Clinton, Carter and Albright will have the balls to give advice as well... no shame.


333 posted on 10/08/2006 9:06:30 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Gay democrats... you are about to go the way of blacks for illegals votes... your party.)
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To: The_Reader_David

Actually, we could resume nuclear testing if we wanted to do so. The Senate voted down the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.


334 posted on 10/08/2006 9:06:33 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: COEXERJ145

Well it sounds like there "test" didn't do much.

Had there been any substantial nuclear detonation, we - and everyone else - would know before they reported it. Just like the Indian and Pakistani detonations, detectors went off all over the world.

So at this point I'm skeptical.


335 posted on 10/08/2006 9:06:37 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: jveritas

Good news, but how did the US know what the North Koreans wanted ?


336 posted on 10/08/2006 9:07:43 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: DB
Like the guy on Fox is saying, the "400kt goal" smells like B.S.
337 posted on 10/08/2006 9:08:07 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: DB

The world has been played for fools. Iran will take note...as they have been for a long time now.


338 posted on 10/08/2006 9:08:22 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: justa-hairyape
National security has it.

Actually, State has it.

339 posted on 10/08/2006 9:08:27 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Bernard Marx
Yes, I almost posted the line:

Except Einstein, and Fermi, and Feynman, and Teller, and Stanislaw, and Ulam, and...

Oppenheimer, as I understand it, was the organizational brain who guided the scientists. He was intelligent enough to maintain their respect.

Cheers!

340 posted on 10/08/2006 9:08:57 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: Strategerist
Man you are good. Some expert (not a journalist) on Foxnews is saying that the 400 KT is very large and it almost impossible that they were going to test something that big,
341 posted on 10/08/2006 9:08:57 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: furquhart
It does no such thing. Where is the so-called "precedent", since we've known for years, that Kimmy has nukes. Okay, so they may as yet be capable of reaching us, but they came pretty close, the last time they set of something, of getting awfully close to Japan!
342 posted on 10/08/2006 9:09:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Deek

Thanks. Fox source phone interview just said "not a usable nuclear weapon indicated by this test."


343 posted on 10/08/2006 9:09:16 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Strategerist

Yeah, if the administration official didn't make a goof, I'm going to have to call pro-US spin on that one. The North Koreans pretty much got what they wanted. A successful test that has given it the world's attention.


344 posted on 10/08/2006 9:09:33 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: grey_whiskers

Einstein was not part of the Manhattan Project.


345 posted on 10/08/2006 9:09:43 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: Strategerist
By the way this "expert" is technically correct but politically very wrong, he want us to negotiate with North Korea.
346 posted on 10/08/2006 9:10:24 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Ragnar Danneskjold

FROM DU: (Bushout06, i.e. INSANE)

"Every country that Bush threatens should have nukes"

"Too bad Saddam didn't have nukes."

It would be a pitiful little fight if I actually met that person.


347 posted on 10/08/2006 9:10:38 PM PDT by Flightdeck
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To: nopardons
Just because they shot a missile that can hit Japan does not mean they have a nuke that can be carried by a missile.

Most first generation nukes are far too large to be delivered by missiles.

348 posted on 10/08/2006 9:10:44 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: All

Being morning in UK the BBC has live coverage of the incident

http://www.cafenetamerica.com


349 posted on 10/08/2006 9:10:45 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (If you dont vote on election day, who are you electing?)
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To: AliVeritas
So I've been told.

To what, exactly, other than this twee factoid, do you think that I was responding to? :-)

350 posted on 10/08/2006 9:10:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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