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North Korea wants to talk(says they tested NEUTRON BOMB)
Herald Sun ^ | 10/10/06 | Gerard McManus and agencies

Posted on 10/10/2006 3:37:05 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

North Korea wants to talk

Gerard McManus and agencies

October 10, 2006 12:00am

A NORTH Korean official said Pyongyang is willing to return to international arms talks and abandon its atomic program if the US takes "corresponding measures," reports suggest.

"The nuclear test is an expression of our intention to face the United States across the negotiating table," the unnamed official said, according to South Korea's Yonhap news agency.

"What we want is security of the (North), including guaranteeing our system."

Yonhap didn't say how or where it contacted the official, or why no name was given.

The official didn't elaborate on what the corresponding measures would be.

But one of them is believed to be a long-standing North Korean demand that Washington lift financial restrictions on the communist regime for its alleged counterfeiting and money laundering.

North Korea has cited the financial issue in boycotting nuclear talks with China, Japan, South Korea, Russia and the US The talks last convened in November.

The official also dismissed moves at the UN Security Council to sanction the communist nation over its reported nuclear test.

"We have lost enough. Sanctions can never be a solution," the official said.

"We still have a willingness to give up nuclear weapons and return to six-party talks as well. It's possible whenever the US takes corresponding measures."

Pyongyang declared yesterday that it had successfully tested a nuclear bomb.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: korea; nkorea; northkorea; nucleartest
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To: RayChuang88

People live in Nagasaki, you know.


51 posted on 10/10/2006 8:35:29 AM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Thermalseeker

I agree. The more time elapses, the more this whole incident stinks like Limberger. My gut tells me he either detonated a sh*tload of TNT to simulate a nuke, or his baby fizzled, (I hope!).
Either way, he rearranged a lot of NK dirt and got all the diplo-dunks knickers in a twist. He's also validated President Bush's assessment of NK as part of the "axis of evil".
Now, Kim throws another tantrum to wring further concessions from the US? A con-game indeed.
If he's not careful, Beijing is going to arrange for him to have an "accident". He's becoming inconvenient.


52 posted on 10/10/2006 8:51:59 AM PDT by 95 Bravo ("Freedom is not free.")
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To: Junior
It is just a much dirtier version of a standard nuclear weapon.

Actually, just the opposite. It is a battlefield tactical weapon with a low yield blast that emits large doses of neutron energy on the target with minimal amounts of long lived fission byproducts. The idea is to kill people (and other living things) but not cause long term radioactivity at the blast site allowing troops to safely enter the area after a few days. If anything, it's a "clean" bomb. ;~(

See Neutron Bomb

53 posted on 10/10/2006 9:10:07 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: TigerLikesRooster
A source close to the regime said North Korea had exploded a neutron bomb

Eyes roll to ceiling.

ROFLMAO.

No way Jose.

54 posted on 10/10/2006 9:11:04 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: TigerLikesRooster

i think it was actually one of the dreaded positronic bombs they set off... much more deadly.


55 posted on 10/10/2006 9:11:32 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Lately, Kim Jong-il has become a dud-maker.:)

I guess we need to watch for a large order of Viagra from PoonTang...er... Pyongyang.

56 posted on 10/10/2006 9:12:57 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Brilliant
Ingenious. Your nuke test doesn't work, so tell them it was a neutron bomb.

"Would you believe, Diet Coke and Mentos?"

57 posted on 10/10/2006 9:15:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: patton
Nagasaki and Hiroshima recovered because the bombs exploded several thousand feet in the air. As such, the vast majority of the deaths in both bombings were caused by the intense heat, blast effects from the pressure wave from the explosion and immediate effect radiation exposure. It also meant there were no significant hazard from the ground around the detonation being dangerously radioactive, so both Japanese cities were able to be rebuilt by the early 1950's.

A nuclear bomb exploded literally at ground level is totally something else, though. When the bomb explodes, it carves out a large blast crater, sending hundreds of tons of lethally radioactive debris into the air that will be deadly to anyone exposed for at least a couple of days. The remaining surface of the blast crater is also lethally radioactive for a long time. Why do you think before they repopulated Enewetak Island they literally had to cover over most of the island in heavy cement to cover the highly-radioactive coral left from the various test explosions there?

58 posted on 10/10/2006 9:20:16 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: patton

Nagasaki was an air burst. The closer the bomb is to the ground, the dirtier it is.


59 posted on 10/10/2006 9:20:43 AM PDT by djf (There is no such thing as "moderate muslims". They are all "silent supporters!!")
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To: RayChuang88

Good explanation! Beat me by 17 secs.


60 posted on 10/10/2006 9:22:48 AM PDT by djf (There is no such thing as "moderate muslims". They are all "silent supporters!!")
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To: Ditto
Correct. And a neutron bomb is very, very detectable by, er, "national resources."

We used to have a fair number of 2-5 kt warheads fielded. This wasn't even that. I'm voting "fizzle" but I haven't seen any hard data yet.

61 posted on 10/10/2006 9:29:39 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: agere_contra

Do you have a programme to convert tonnes to metres?


62 posted on 10/10/2006 9:33:56 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: backhoe

That thing is like a nuclear hand grenade.....better dig a trench before you light it off!!


63 posted on 10/10/2006 9:42:40 AM PDT by ColoradoAce
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To: Billthedrill
Correct. And a neutron bomb is very, very detectable by, er, "national resources." We used to have a fair number of 2-5 kt warheads fielded. This wasn't even that. I'm voting "fizzle" but I haven't seen any hard data yet.

Maybe it was a neutrino bomb.

64 posted on 10/10/2006 9:47:46 AM PDT by thesharkboy
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To: TigerLikesRooster

OH I SEE if we don't talk to them they do Neutron bomb in my book that blackmail LOL!


65 posted on 10/10/2006 10:24:18 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Gondring
think of how close Okinawa is to North Korea!

Huh?? Okinawa is close to NK?

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LOL! Thanks for the ping.

66 posted on 10/10/2006 12:55:54 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Just mythoughts

And who gained politically? The Clintons and no one else.

Let's hope that he does a lot of campaigning.


67 posted on 10/10/2006 3:11:35 PM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: justa-hairyape

Or he may not have enough supply to use the active nukes. He's financially drained and we cut off his counterfeiting, which is at the heart of it all. He is determined to kill until he gets to stay in power (and not get killed by his own military)


68 posted on 10/10/2006 3:13:24 PM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: musicman

Wow! Thank you, musicman.


69 posted on 10/10/2006 3:14:21 PM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Jeff Head; Paul Ross

A lot went into the construction of the test site, a lot more than would be done for a single super critical test. There may have been several subcritical tests done there previously which we never detected (impossible to detect). This weekend's test was either a 1kT plus warhead that malfunctioned, or, it was purposely built to be only a few hundred tons. Neutron bombs (proper name, enhanced radiation weapons) are meant to also be rather small in terms of blast force and are optimized to produce maximum neutron flux, hence the nick name. We cannot rule out anything. Many Western analysts take it at face value that the DPRK is almost as much a rogue in the eyes of China and Russia as they are in ours. But what if China covertly helped, perhaps even proliferating enhanced radiation technology? In fact, most diabolical would be the outright outsourcing of a test to the DPRK so as to appear to continue complying with the NTBT while in fact cheating via the outsourcing. I would not put it past the Chi Coms (or even the Russians) to play such a game.


70 posted on 10/10/2006 3:15:42 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I say we pull out of S Korea and let them deal with it....


71 posted on 10/10/2006 3:16:31 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Tests can be hidden. That's why the Test Ban Treaty is and always has been a complete joke. And we are suckers to have signed it.


72 posted on 10/10/2006 3:17:35 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: backhoe

So on that note, and considering how many artillery tubes and recoilless rifles the DPRK has, and looking at the distance from Seoul to the DPRK .....


73 posted on 10/10/2006 3:19:01 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: agere_contra

One problem with that theory is the volume. We would have seen all that material being moved to the test site with our eyes in the sky.


74 posted on 10/10/2006 3:20:21 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Just mythoughts

.........Bill Richardson is still claiming that we should have one on one, face to face talks with Il.............

Hey Greaseball,

Just stay down on your hands and knees, and continue to find the tapes that Lee left behind in back of the Xerox machine!

STFU


75 posted on 10/10/2006 3:23:46 PM PDT by aShepard (Maybe the UN should donate UNICEF proceeds to the Gates Foundation, and fold!)
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To: Junior

Blast radius much smaller, overpressure quite limited. Whereas, a standard fission weapon is optimized for blast and overpressure (e.g. the neutron flux is inner directed and focussed at the core of the explosion) an enhanced radiation weapon is optimized for a longer, outward directed neutron flux. Less neutron flux into the fissile material means a less energetic explosive force. The energy goes into the neutron flux instead of a blast. Still, it would be a bummer to be closer than 1000 yards or so, assuming the neutrons would not fry you.


76 posted on 10/10/2006 3:24:04 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: muawiyah

Hey man, no doubt, as a young lad I sucked up my share of fallout and didn't get too dain bramaged by it! LOL !!!!


77 posted on 10/10/2006 3:26:50 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: NonValueAdded; Jeff Head

It really depends what sort of help they've gotten. Many naively assume that the surface appearance of an isolated rogue state completely precludes outside assistance. Motivation? Simple. There are a handful of states with competent nuclear capabilities who have openly expressed, both before and after 9/11, that they very much would like to reduce /remove so called "American hegemony" from Asia and the Western Pacific.


78 posted on 10/10/2006 3:29:56 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: justa-hairyape

And we trust Russia and China because .....?


79 posted on 10/10/2006 3:31:09 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Redleg Duke
Yes, good old Davey Crockett Rocket ~ stovepipe with a nuke.

They put these critters under the direct command of Spec 4s.

You just know that froze the blood of the Russians down range!

80 posted on 10/10/2006 3:31:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: musicman

Utterly disgusting.


81 posted on 10/10/2006 3:32:39 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

It is not a question of trusting China and Russian. It is now a question of Chinas and Russias integrity with regards to what is happening in North Korea. We conservatives always assumed that they had no integrity with respect to North Korea. If their assessment of Kims Little Bang ends up being vastly different from the Free Worlds assessment, they make themselves and their statements concerning North Korea, inconsequential or irrelevant. We knew that, now the rest of the World will know that.


82 posted on 10/10/2006 5:05:21 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: GOP_1900AD; PghBaldy; TigerLikesRooster
Proof that the Ronery One lurks...

To: PghBaldy

Just out of curiosity, is it possible to fake an underground nuke test with conventional explosives? The ronery one knows we will not nuke him but it would be a heck of a lot cheaper to bluff a nuclear capacity than to build one.

4 posted on 08/26/2006 11:48:28 PM EDT by NonValueAdded (Tom Gallagher - the anti-Crist [FL Governor, 2006 primary])
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Link: North Korea Going Underground?
83 posted on 10/10/2006 6:17:58 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Treaty Fetishism: "[The] belief that a piece of paper will alter the behavior of thugs." R. Lowry.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Bill Richardson is still claiming that we should have one on one, face to face talks with Il.

I agree !

Send Bill Richardson

Or Nancy Pelosi

Or George Soros
Or Barbra Streisand rr Natalie Maines on a one way no return flight

84 posted on 10/10/2006 6:23:55 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
I think Hillry ought to lead your delegation, she was causing some sort of road block somewhere today and was praising her husbands handling of the mental Il. At the same time she was chavezing President Bush.
85 posted on 10/10/2006 6:29:53 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: agere_contra

That's my thinking too. Without sniffing the radiation evidence, Kim must be thinking he can use a large conventional blast dubbed "nuclear" as a bargaining chip to get the US to concede to negotiations and folk like Richardson are eating it up.

Without an explosion going "critical", all they can develop is the equivalent of a dirty bomb. A strong blast? Yes. Thermo-nuclear? Not today.

The fact they're so naive thinking the international community can't tell if it's nuclear or conventional is a sure sign of NK's isolation and ignorance of the matter.


86 posted on 10/10/2006 6:31:41 PM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between two parentheses)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I figure at some point Korea will clain it was actually a Nude Bomb they set off and not a Nuke Bomb.

At that point we will need to assign this case to agent 86.


87 posted on 10/11/2006 10:10:44 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (This tag line will be commercial free for the remainder of this thread.)
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To: CougarGA7

It's a Hush-A-Bomb they got from Boris and Natasha.


88 posted on 10/11/2006 10:12:55 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

 

89 posted on 10/11/2006 10:14:21 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Hey Kimmy! Watch me pull a nuke out of a hat!

Again?!

Nutin up my sleave..

90 posted on 10/11/2006 10:15:20 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (This tag line will be commercial free for the remainder of this thread.)
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To: gogogodzilla; Petey139; SampleMan

Ping to a non-vanity thread...


91 posted on 10/14/2006 7:46:41 PM PDT by null and void ("It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret."--Jackie Joyner-Kersee)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Yea right. The only thing they have tested is my patience


92 posted on 10/14/2006 7:48:18 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: AmericaUnited
What am I missing here?

A clue?

93 posted on 10/14/2006 7:49:35 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: dc-zoo

Well said.


94 posted on 10/14/2006 7:49:53 PM PDT by NordP (America: There are more Patriots than Punks!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
A source close to the regime said North Korea had exploded a neutron bomb to allay doubts about its strength and deter US threats of regime change.


95 posted on 10/14/2006 7:53:09 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959)
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To: Just mythoughts

Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM), energy secretary under Clinton, claims that we should hold face-to-face one-on-one talks with genocidal terrorist totalitarian dictator Kim Jong-il (D-NK). I concur, provided that we get to choose the venue: Camp X-ray at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. "Little dictator" Kim Jong-il fears airplane flight, so we'll transport him via US Navy vessels to that destination. If he prefers, we could hold the talks en route aboard an aircraft carrier. The totalitarian terrorist should take his entire palace corps, hundred most loyal supporters, and senior military generals to the talks.


96 posted on 10/14/2006 8:04:54 PM PDT by dufekin (The New York Times: an enemy espionage agency with a newsletter of enemy propaganda)
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To: r9etb

This wound up being exactly what I thought, a big ZERO.


97 posted on 10/15/2006 4:12:43 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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