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Confederate Flag Clothing Causes Controversy
WSBTV.com ^ | 10-6-2006 | WSBTV

Posted on 10/10/2006 5:08:28 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

The principal at a Fayette County middle school has banned all clothing with the confederate flag emblem...

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I think the controversy iarises from one group of offensive clothing being banned while clothing with a symbol offensive to another group is allowed.

The article goes on to state that Malcolm X clothing is allowed at the school.

Anybody who follows these threads knows I am no fan of the Confederacy. And the Confederate flag is a very poor symbol of Southern heritage. The Confedracy was a movement of a relatively small group of politicians and not a true popular revolution. A large number of Southerners only showed lukewarm support for the CSA or were outright Unionists.

But this typical double standard in the schools today is terribly wrong. If the Confederate X is banned for offensivness, why isn't the Malcolm X? This is the failure of PC, it's not mutual respect and civility, but rather it's "I can hit you, but don't hit back". This does nothing to further goodwill.

I say ban both Xs. Better yet, make them all wear unifroms.

1 posted on 10/10/2006 5:08:29 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Make 'em all wear dress clothing!


2 posted on 10/10/2006 5:13:05 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Clinton "tried", 3000 died)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The USSC has already ruled on this issue. This kid already has a nice lawsuit neatly tied up and ready to go against the school. Being PC means you are going to have to say you are sorry.


3 posted on 10/10/2006 5:15:04 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

By banning either or both a mystique is created for youth who normally seek ways to show rebellion during the teenage years. Sometimes I think schools know nothing about children.


4 posted on 10/10/2006 5:15:36 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Bet they can wear burkas and rag-tops for "muzzie day".


5 posted on 10/10/2006 5:16:18 AM PDT by n230099 ("If the creator had a purpose in equipping us with a neck, he surely meant us to stick it out.")
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To: n230099

I'm offended by muslim emblems, yet teachers are teaching our kids about the Koran in school...can they ban islamic items?


6 posted on 10/10/2006 5:18:16 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: n230099
So would this school allow Burkas that symbolize the religion of hate peace?
7 posted on 10/10/2006 5:22:00 AM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The outrage over the Stars and Bars is totally contrived. Jesse Jackson made it an issue in the 1980s.

When I was a kid in NY in the 1960s it was all over...as we were in Civil War Centennial mode. No one regarded it as a symbol of racism.

Sure, Georgia and Mississippi had it inserted into their state flags as a measure of defiance against federal efforts of desegragation, but still the banner was viewed as relatively benign.

Witness its use in thr late 70s/early 80s on the roof of the General Lee in the "Dukes of Hazard." No one was complaining then.

As for Malcolm X: good point. That racist is even on a US postage stamp. :-(


8 posted on 10/10/2006 5:25:04 AM PDT by carrier-aviator
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
And the Confederate flag is a very poor symbol of Southern heritage.

We can choose our own symbols without help, thanks.

Better yet, make them all wear unifroms.

Apply this rule to all students, teachers and administrators and it'd get my vote.
9 posted on 10/10/2006 5:38:03 AM PDT by JamesP81 (The answer always lies with more freedom; not less)
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To: stainlessbanner

Might be of interest.


10 posted on 10/10/2006 5:39:24 AM PDT by JamesP81 (The answer always lies with more freedom; not less)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"A large number of Southerners only showed lukewarm support for the CSA or were outright Unionists."

UNIONISTS?!? No they were not. Southerners saw the formation of a centralized government under Lincoln no less a threat to liberty than the English monarchy their grandfathers had fought. They believed each state had a right to govern its own people as its own populus saw fit without the dictate of a central comptroller. They believed when Lincoln called 75,000 troops to a standing army, he violated the Constitution. They believed when Lincoln sent them against their Southern counterparts, he violated morality. More than a half million dead and another million or more wounded is hardly "lukewarm" support.

11 posted on 10/10/2006 5:41:31 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between two parentheses)
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To: azhenfud

Amen.


But your post doesn't fit in with the revisionist tripe taught in schools and colleges today.


12 posted on 10/10/2006 5:46:11 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: Triggerhippie

But, if Liberals didn't have revisionism, they would have.... nothing.


13 posted on 10/10/2006 5:51:00 AM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Is Che Guevara clothing banned too?


14 posted on 10/10/2006 5:52:20 AM PDT by Grig
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

>>>>And the Confederate flag is a very poor symbol of Southern heritage. The Confedracy was a movement of a relatively small group of politicians and not a true popular revolution. A large number of Southerners only showed lukewarm support for the CSA or were outright Unionists.<<<<

Where did you learn Confederate history? The Southern Poverty Law Center? The NAACP?



15 posted on 10/10/2006 5:56:15 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: azhenfud

Well said...and now I don't have to post.


16 posted on 10/10/2006 5:59:32 AM PDT by carton253 (He who would kill you, get up early and kill him first.)
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To: PhilipFreneau

5 years of dying is lukewarm support?

I believe that lukewarm support was given to slavery. Not all who fought had slaves or believed slavery was right.

The support for the War of Northern Aggression was the support for States Rights. Those rights were lost.


17 posted on 10/10/2006 6:01:45 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: azhenfud; Colonel Kangaroo
The South did not attempt secession because they feared a strong central government.

They did so because the Republicans ran on the platform of limiting the growth of slavery.

This is what they saw as a threat to their 'rights'.

They did not think each state had a right to govern its own people when they demanded that Northern States return runaway slaves and used the Federal gov't to enforce that law.

This nation was either going to be either all free or all slave.

The Confederate flag represents the side that wanted it all slave.

But this thread is on school clothing not the Confederate flag.

I agree with the Col. and another poster that a dress code should be put in place either uniforms or high standard clothing (like one would wear to church or work)

18 posted on 10/10/2006 6:03:25 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The best way to keep this kind of thing from disrupting the "oh so delicate senses" of certain population segments is to institute a Uniform Dress code. Hey Polo's and Khakis are a good combo and unisex as well.... Lets see how the kids like it shall we? I am sure the outcast nerds and geeks would love it. I know when I was in school that it would have been great for me to have a dress code... no more "What your wearing is soooooo uncoool" crap.
19 posted on 10/10/2006 6:04:57 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: azhenfud

> Southerners saw the formation of a centralized government under Lincoln no less a threat to liberty than the English monarchy their grandfathers had fought.

And so, they formed a feudal system straight out of the middle ages.

> They believed when Lincoln called 75,000 troops to a standing army, he violated the Constitution.

So they formed their own standing army, and attacked the United States first.

> They believed when Lincoln sent them against their Southern counterparts, he violated morality.

So it's OK for Southern serfs to attack Northern citizens, but not appropriate for the Northerners to respond.


20 posted on 10/10/2006 6:05:22 AM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
They did not think each state had a right to govern its own people when they demanded that Northern States return runaway slaves and used the Federal gov't to enforce that law.

Your own reply is inconsistent within itself. The south believed that each state DID have the right to govern itself. They allowed slavery. The slaves were considered property. They wanted their property returned.

That's un-PC, but the fact is, they had a case. The northerners who aided and harbored runaway slaves, according to the legal system of the slave states, were holding stolen property.

21 posted on 10/10/2006 6:12:04 AM PDT by MortMan (I was going to be indecisive, but I changed my mind.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

""This is the failure of PC""

The PC movement is not a failure. It is a roaring success designed to suppress opposing opinion. The PC clan has been very successful in implimenting speech codes on campuses and elsewhere.


22 posted on 10/10/2006 6:14:25 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: fortheDeclaration

What you wrote is a joke, right?

Because if you are serious, you are either a prevaricator or really, really ignorant.


23 posted on 10/10/2006 6:14:38 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: carrier-aviator; Colonel Kangaroo
And the Confederate flag is a very poor symbol of Southern heritage. The Confedracy was a movement of a relatively small group of politicians and not a true popular revolution .......Colonel Kangaroo

The outrage over the Stars and Bars is totally contrived .......carrier-aviator

Why, in Germany today, is it a crime for Swastika to be displayed anywhere in public while the Iron Cross is still proudly used on German military aircraft and armor?

It is because the Swastika was the political symbol of Nazi Germany but the Iron Cross was the symbol of the valor of the German soldier.

If there is a gripe against the politicians of the Confederate States of America, then that gripe should be directed at the original political flag of the Confederacy, the "Stars and Bars", which is this flag:

The symbol of the valor of the Confederate soldier was the Confederate Battle Flag which was this flag:

If there is a symbol of the valor of the Southern common man who did his duty as he saw it to defend his homeland, that symbol is the Confederate Battle Flag.

It would be nice to get the Confederate Battle Flag out of the hands of political demagogues on both sides and restore it as the honored symbol of the Southern soldier.

However, the historical ignorance and/or hypocrisy is so great today that this "racist" Georgia flag:

was replaced by this "Politically Correct" flag:

So, the "racist" symbol of the Confederate common soldier was replaced by the "non-racist" symbol of the Confederate politician.

Go figure.

24 posted on 10/10/2006 6:22:56 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: fortheDeclaration; Colonel Kangaroo
"The South did not attempt secession because they feared a strong central government."

The good Colonel did not mention secession, he stated Southerners were lukewarm in their support of the Confederacy of the Southern states or were outright Unionists, to which I countered.

His assertion was not quite correct.

25 posted on 10/10/2006 6:31:34 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between two parentheses)
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To: fortheDeclaration
"The South did not attempt secession because they feared a strong central government."

They (South Carolina), followed by others, seceded due to the promises of the 1860 Republican platform that would stress the Southern culture and its economy. Infrastructure expenditures and taxation were about to be unequally applied to the sections. The Constitutional protections were being eliminated due to election reapportionment. They saw no remedy except for separation. But separation did not bring war.

"They did so because the Republicans ran on the platform of limiting the growth of slavery."

That was one issue. Another was the transcontinental railroad that was to be built with public funds. Its route would aid the growth of the Northern states over the Southern states, funded with the tariffs generated with the overseas sales of Southern products.

Another issue was the Morill tariff, designed to fund these projects. This would reduce the buying power of Southern products, and inflate the prices of Northern products sold South.

"This is what they saw as a threat to their 'rights'."

Actually, their "rights" were guaranteed by the American Constitution. The threat came from the Republicans, and the army they inherited.

"They did not think each state had a right to govern its own people when they demanded that Northern States return runaway slaves and used the Federal gov't to enforce that law."

The 'they' you refer to were Federal judges. And they enforced Federal law.

"This nation was either going to be either all free or all slave."

Lincoln said that before he was elected, but reneged on that in April of 1861.

"The Confederate flag represents the side that wanted it all slave."

The Confederate Flag represented the flag of the Confederate states and its Constitution of dozens of guaranteed rights. To select one and negatively label those people is absurd, ignorant, and naive.

"But this thread is on school clothing not the Confederate flag."

You brought it up to expound your abusive history lesson. Keep it to yourself.
26 posted on 10/10/2006 6:43:46 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: azhenfud
Unionist sentiment in the South was stronger than many today realize. There were many thousands of Southerners, especially in the non-slaveowning sections, who braved many hardships and dangers to reach Union lines.

Many southern citizens welcomed the Union army as liberators from confederate tyranny. Here's an diary entry from Illinois soldier Charles Partridge on his regiment's entry into Red Clay, Georgia:

"The Union citizens were quite demonstrative, some of them even bringing out flags, which had doubtless been hidden for at least three years. Women swung their bonnets and men hurrahed for the Yankees and the Union, manifesting great delight. One man, who claimed to be ninety-eight years old and to have been a captain in the War of 1812, was almost frantic in his ejaculations when the Old Flag came into sight."

Can you imagine the patriotic thrill today of the arrival of the American army into your town to free you from oppressors who would not even let you own the Stars and Stripes? There were many brave men in the CSA's front lines, but rebel government at home was brutal to the significant number who loved the old Union.

27 posted on 10/10/2006 6:43:53 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: azhenfud
And here's a admission from prominent Confederate and North Carolina Governor Zebulon Vance.

"The great popular heart is not now and never has been in this war. It was a revolution of the politicians, not the people."

28 posted on 10/10/2006 6:46:17 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: orionblamblam
"So it's OK for Southern serfs to attack Northern citizens, but not appropriate for the Northerners to respond."

You're grossly mistaken. Southerners never attacked Northern citizens, the occupants of Ft. Sumter were federal troops who were given time to stand down and leave the premises, which they didn't. Southerners never sought to overthrow the US government - but strived to form their own. It was Lincoln's army that crossed the Potomac to wage an attack on Virginia's citizens that was considered the act of aggression most Southerners associate with the WoNA.

29 posted on 10/10/2006 6:47:21 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between two parentheses)
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To: orionblamblam
And so, they formed a feudal system straight out of the middle ages.

Huh? The Confederate Constitution was very similar to our own.

So they formed their own standing army, and attacked the United States first.

Check your geography, Ft. Sumter is in South Carolina. Hmmm, a Fort of Union Troops on Confederate soil and they were asked to leave. The only bloodless battle of the war.

30 posted on 10/10/2006 6:50:12 AM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Yet another argument for school uniforms. Principals and school boards are utterly incapable of micro-managing dress codes - they cave in to political correctness (as in this example), get bogged down with arguments about skirts, skorts, and shorts, and other minutiae. But the anti-uniform crowd will show up here soon, protesting that uniforms suppress the little darlings' "individuality" and constitutional right to dress for school like thugs and hookers. /rant off
31 posted on 10/10/2006 6:55:04 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: lovecraft
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32 posted on 10/10/2006 6:58:44 AM PDT by Traianus (YES I GOT HIM! MUHAMMAD IS 666....)
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To: azhenfud

> the occupants of Ft. Sumter were federal troops who were given time to stand down and leave the premises, which they didn't.

Yeah, and the Aztlaners have given you time to leave the US and return to Europe (presumably...). So when they attack you, will it be your fault?

> It was Lincoln's army that crossed the Potomac to wage an attack on Virginia's citizens that was considered the act of aggression most Southerners associate with the WoNA.

Yes, and a very great many Japanese were cheesed off when the Dolittle raid brought to them the war that they started.

The War Of Southern Aggression started when a sovereign nation attacked the United States military on US military property. Remember, the secession was a done deal by that point... South Carolina and other had already split, with no military action by the United States. The CSA committed an act of war upon the US, and the US retaliated.


33 posted on 10/10/2006 7:12:18 AM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Interesting that both reporters are Black and Tom Jones makes excuses for Malcom X. Pretty biased reporting.


34 posted on 10/10/2006 7:18:02 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: PeaRidge
First, I did not bring it up, it was brought up by several other posters.

Now, as for the facts.

Lincoln broke no pledges regarding the Constitution.

Some of the Southern States had seceded before he took office.

Lincoln did what any President would have done, he enforced the laws.

Regarding other economic issues, while they were factors, the key issue was slave expansion.

This was admitted by the Vice President of the Confederacy, A.H. Stephens, in his Cornerstone speech, saying the Confederacy was going to built on the Cornerstone of the inequality of the races, not the equality as depicted by the Declaration.

Regarding the fugitive slave act, it was legal, and the South had no qualms about using that 'dreaded' Federal power when it was their own purposes.

The facts are that the South split the Democratic Party over slavery before it even seceded from the Union.

The Confederacy and its flag do not represent freedom for anyone, they represent tyranny at its worst and crushing the Confederacy was one of the GOP's greatest moments.

35 posted on 10/10/2006 7:20:51 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: lovecraft

> The Confederate Constitution was very similar to our own.


Except for the permanent engraining of slavery. Not to mention the otherwise aristocratic nature of antebellum South; the rest of the population of America had come here to get away from European aristocrats, but in the south, they tried to re-create it. Shrug.


36 posted on 10/10/2006 7:22:57 AM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: riverdawg
Dress codes do help with what is on the clothing. Our school system has blue or white polo or button down shirts and khaki pants.

I'm amazed at what I see kids wearing in the mornings as they exit mom or dads car. The girls pants are so low they have to shave to wear them and their shirts aren't long enough to reach the waistband. Honestly, it looks as if the parents are turning the girls out to work the streets, not go to school.

Only because of what the Confederate flag has come to mean, I'd just as soon not see it or Malcom X or ANY political images on campus. There's already enough to distract the kids. IMHO, of course.

37 posted on 10/10/2006 7:25:06 AM PDT by sweet_diane ("They hate us 'cause they ain't us.")
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To: azhenfud
"The South did not attempt secession because they feared a strong central government." The good Colonel did not mention secession, he stated Southerners were lukewarm in their support of the Confederacy of the Southern states or were outright Unionists, to which I countered. His assertion was not quite correct.

The Southern leadership pushed the South into secession, for a cause very few cared about-slave expansion.

Many Southerners did go North and fight for the Union.

It is interesting that Lincoln's name was not even allowed on the ballots in the South.

Those Southern leaders were true lovers of freedom alright.

38 posted on 10/10/2006 7:26:11 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
If they are banning confederate clothing then I would also ban the FUBU clothing. I have seen this clothing line mushroom here in Atlanta. Little kids to adults are all donning their FUBU attire. I am very offended when I see the FUBU line.

In case you don't know, FUBU is a hip hop clothing line esigned by African-Americans for African-Americans.

In other words, For Us By Us
39 posted on 10/10/2006 7:26:47 AM PDT by Republican Red ("There’s God, then there’s the president and then there's my father.”- 6 yr old Jack Roberts)
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To: lovecraft

> Check your geography, Ft. Sumter is in South Carolina. Hmmm, a Fort of Union Troops on Confederate soil and they were asked to leave.

The Union troops were on Federal property. They had every right to be there, just as the Marines at Gitmo have the right to be there (until the lease runs out, at any rate). If you are legally and properly occupying a spot of territory, the fact that your neighbors decide to up and leave doesn't mean they get to kick you off your land.

> The only bloodless battle of the war.

Hardly bloodless. It led to more deaths of Americans than Pearl Harbor did.


40 posted on 10/10/2006 7:26:52 AM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: Al Gator
What you wrote is a joke, right? Because if you are serious, you are either a prevaricator or really, really ignorant.

Actually, those are the facts.

It is Confederate revisionist history that has distorted the truth of what the Confederacy was for and why it attempted secession.

Now, how did the legal election of Lincoln (despite his name not being allowed on Southern ballots) threaten the individual rights of the South?

The only one who had a right to revolt were the slaves.

The South split its own Democratic Party over slavery when Douglas refused to grant the South the right unlimited access to any State no matter how that State voted on slavery.

Even though Democrats voted on both sides of the issue on Tarriff's, it was slavery that broke up first the Democratic Party and then the Union.

41 posted on 10/10/2006 7:39:29 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: orionblamblam
Yeah and if Japan ever decided to kick the US bases off of its land, there wouldn't be a damn thing we could do about it except go to war. The South had already seceded, they were their own soveriegn country and there was nothing legal about the troops occupying Sumter at the time. Do you see any other foreign countries with military bases on our land? No, because we won't allow it. You think SC was going to allow an enemy base of operations to conduct business on it's soil. Ridiculous.

And yes, the battle itself was bloodless, read up on it. Read about the opposing Generals and their relationship with one another before the war. As much as a genius Beauregard was with artillery, he shelled Ft. Sumter for 24 hours and didn't cause a single casualty. That was the last chance for peace then. The CSA would not surrender and the Federals wouldn't let them go. That's the reason for the bloodiest war in our history.

42 posted on 10/10/2006 7:43:34 AM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Uniforms would be fine by me!


43 posted on 10/10/2006 7:45:37 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: n230099

Wouldn't that specifically be "Moslem Understanding and Outreach Day"?


44 posted on 10/10/2006 7:46:41 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: MortMan
They did not think each state had a right to govern its own people when they demanded that Northern States return runaway slaves and used the Federal gov't to enforce that law. Your own reply is inconsistent within itself. The south believed that each state DID have the right to govern itself. They allowed slavery. The slaves were considered property. They wanted their property returned.

Not every state allowed slavery.

That did not stop the slave owners from appealing to the Federal gov't to go into states and force those slaves back into slavery.

So, lets stop the hyprocrisy of the South fighting against a strong central Gov't when they had not qualms about using Federal power for their own interests and did not care what the other States thought about slavery.

That's un-PC, but the fact is, they had a case. The northerners who aided and harbored runaway slaves, according to the legal system of the slave states, were holding stolen property.

Yea, and that 'property' had every right to revolt from the tyranny that was holding it.

That is what the Confederate flag stands for, holding other people as 'property'-how noble.

But, according to the Constitution, the slaves did have to be returned, and Lincoln pledged to uphold that law.

So what was the complaint from the South regarding Lincoln and the Constitution?

He promised to uphold all the laws, even the ones he did not personally like or agree with.

Finally, P.C. has nothing to do with not considering people 'property', that is simply immoral and a contradiction that had to be addressed by eliminating slavery not defending it as a 'right'.

45 posted on 10/10/2006 7:47:49 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: sweet_diane
"Our school system has blue or white polo or button down shirts and khaki pants."

Sounds like your school system has uniforms rather than a dress code; or maybe you're saying that a supplementary dress code is needed to dictate how the uniforms are worn. If so, I'm not against that. What I view as unworkable (as evidenced by these continuing controversies about "inappropriate" slogans or images on T-shirts, etc.)is a dress code without uniforms.
46 posted on 10/10/2006 7:49:09 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Confederato; zgirl; dixie1202; righthand man; TexConfederate1861; chesley; rustbucket; JamesP81; ...

ping


47 posted on 10/10/2006 7:49:34 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: lovecraft

> The South had already seceded, they were their own soveriegn country and there was nothing legal about the troops occupying Sumter at the time.

The Soutyh seceeded with the lands of the South. Fort Sumter was Federal property. US air bases in Japan are *not* US federal proprty. Kennedy Space Center *is* federal property, so if Florida decides to secceed and join with Cuba, they don't get KSC.

> You think SC was going to allow an enemy base of operations to conduct business on it's soil. Ridiculous.

Yes, ridiculous... because Ft. Sumter was not on SC soil.

>> The CSA would not surrender ...

There was neither need nor cause for the CSA to surrender. The CSA had *succeeded.* They had won. Theyu were on their own. All that was left for them to do was decide what sort of relationship they would have with the United States. The CSA chose to go to war.

Live and learn.

And speaking of living and learning... I've gone round and round on this issue in just the last few days. Nothing further to be gained. As the Good Book says:

þrimr orðum sennas
kalattu þér við verra mann
opt inn betri bilar
þá er inn verri vegr

Words to live by.


48 posted on 10/10/2006 7:50:26 AM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: Polybius

bttt


49 posted on 10/10/2006 7:54:30 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Interesting vignette.

But "brutal" may be a bit strong. "Depressing" and "alienated" may be more accurate. If it was really brutal, those people wouldn't have existed.


50 posted on 10/10/2006 7:55:27 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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