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Court says UPS discriminated against deaf drivers
AP ^ | 10/10/6 | DAVID KRAVETS

Posted on 10/10/2006 12:59:50 PM PDT by SmithL

San Francisco -- A federal appeals court on Tuesday upheld a lower court ruling that UPS Inc. violated anti-discrimination laws by automatically barring the deaf and hearing-impaired from driving parcel delivery trucks.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with U.S. District Judge Thelton Henderson's 2004 ruling that the Atlanta-based company's practices breach the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Henderson, in a class-action case representing as many as 1,000 would-be drivers, ruled that the hearing impaired should "be given the same opportunities that a hearing applicant would be given to show that they can perform the job of package-car driver safely and effectively." The San Francisco federal court order was stayed pending appeal.

On appeal, UPS maintained its hiring practice was a safety issue and that it was not discriminating. The company did not immediately have a comment, a spokesman said.

"While UPS offered anecdotal testimony involving situations where a driver avoided an accident because he or she heard a warning sound, the company ... failed to show that those accidents would not also have been avoided by a deaf driver who was compensated for his or her loss of hearing by, for example, adapting modified driving techniques or using compensatory devices such as backing cameras or additional mirrors," Judge Marsha Berzon wrote for a three-judge panel of the appeals court.

The case was litigated by Disability Rights Advocates who represented current and former employees who were passed over for driving positions, and other potential employees who consented to what the group dubbed UPS's "deaf-need-not-apply" policy.

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KEYWORDS: 9thcircus; deaf; dhoh; ups; whatcanbrowndo
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To: SmithL

So....exactly WHY do trains blow their horns when they approach a crossing?


51 posted on 10/10/2006 1:51:50 PM PDT by Lekker 1 (("...the world will be...eleven degrees colder by the year 2000" -- K. Watt, Earth Day, 1970)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Hi. You're deaf, I'm a lawyer, and I'm gonna use you to make me rich.

I am hearing impaired, and I have been driving for 30 years without a moving accident or a moving violation. My father drove for more than 50 years while completely deaf without an accident or moving violation. I know many hearing impaired and deaf people with near perfect driving records. On the other hand, I know many people with near perfect hearing who can't drive out of a parking lot without hitting something.

The court did not tell UPS that it had to hire every hearing impaired person who applies for a job, but rather, that UPS could not automatically exclude applicants from consideration simply because they're hearing impaired. The court's decision is consistent with the Americans with Disabilities Act, and while we can debate whether the ADA is a good law or a bad law, the undisputed fact is that it is the law. For once, the 9th Circuit applied the law as written without allowing judicial advocism to run amok.

52 posted on 10/10/2006 1:51:54 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: scan59
My best guess is that this is an older law and hearing people wearing headphones are concentrating more on their music than the road. Similar to the way cell phones distract so many drivers today.
53 posted on 10/10/2006 1:52:05 PM PDT by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: Cobra64
Not at our bank's drive-up cash machine. It has braille on the buttons.

I always find that disturbing to say the least....

54 posted on 10/10/2006 1:55:05 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: flutters
My best guess is that this is an older law and hearing people wearing headphones are concentrating more on their music than the road. Similar to the way cell phones distract so many drivers today.

Good point about the cell phones. It's also valid that loud, booming music tends to totally distract a driver. When I'm in a difficult driving situation, the first thing I do is turn the radio waaay down just to be able to focus and concentrate. (Wife and daughter complain, but hey, who's the pilot and who's the crew?)

55 posted on 10/10/2006 1:56:20 PM PDT by scan59 (No matter where you go, there you are.)
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To: Cobra64
Not at our bank's drive-up cash machine. It has braille on the buttons.

ATM machines are manufactured 'one size fits all" - that machine might end up in a lobby, hospital, convinience store, or built into the wall for drive-up use.

56 posted on 10/10/2006 1:59:16 PM PDT by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: Hoodat

"Driving deaf is a serious safety issue."

You'd think so, but it's not true. I grew up with deaf parents, uncles, cousins, and assorted family friends. On average, they're safer drivers. I suppose their other senses are more acute. My dad drove for 50 years without a single accident, and my mom has been driving for 50+ years with just one accident (as a 4-year-old, I distracted her).

In any case, what's the difference between a deaf driver and a hearing driver who is listening to a loud radio? And finally, you don't see many deaf drivers chatting on cell phones, do ya?


57 posted on 10/10/2006 2:11:00 PM PDT by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: SmithL

Must be 'cause you wouldn't be able to talk to the dots.


58 posted on 10/10/2006 2:11:17 PM PDT by hotshu
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To: SJSAMPLE

Yeah, thanks 41.


59 posted on 10/10/2006 2:14:27 PM PDT by hotshu
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To: tubebender

Dale Jarrett says "What???"


60 posted on 10/10/2006 2:16:11 PM PDT by hotshu
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To: SmithL

Deaf people are legally allowed to drive? Excuse my ignorance on this one, but isn't hearing a required ability to drive a car? Now, I know there are many morons out there driving with their stereos blaring, but if caught, can't they be given citations for that? Isn't the reason behind that a safety reason? Maybe I'm just being dee-dee-dee, but if I'm not...oh, wait, you said the 9th circus?...nevermind...


61 posted on 10/10/2006 2:19:54 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (They [liberals] aren't humans, but rather a species of hairless retarded ape.)
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To: SmithL

Yeah and we should stop stupid people from becoming judges.

That will be a good first step.


62 posted on 10/10/2006 2:20:16 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: SmithL
What ?
63 posted on 10/10/2006 2:20:44 PM PDT by pipecorp ( Al Lahsucks...Islam: nothing that a good crusade wouldn't fix ;; mercy is wasted on the merciless.)
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To: Hoodat

You said -- "Are they out of their minds? Driving deaf is a serious safety issue. I am sure their insurer would not allow it."

In the general market, insurers cover deaf drivers right now. Being deaf and driving (right now) is not an issue with state agencies issuing drivers licenses and with insurers giving coverage.

In fact, from what I've seen from the way some hearing people drive, deaf people are better drivers because they are more alert on the visual level, because they make it a point to be.



You also said -- "So what will be next? Will the 9th Circuit rule that UPS should be forced to hire blind drivers as well?"

Well, that's obviously a joke since I'm sure even you "see" the difference.

Regards,
Star Traveler


64 posted on 10/10/2006 2:24:50 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Andonius_99

You said -- "Deaf people are legally allowed to drive? Excuse my ignorance on this one, but isn't hearing a required ability to drive a car?"

Well, your question and a lot of other people's comments here show a severe lack of knowledge about the deaf community. Of course they're allowed to drive. It's never been a safety issue. State *do* issue driver's licenses to deaf people.

AND, that's *one good reason* for having the ADA -- in order to force people (if necessary) to come to terms and understand that these disabilities (that some people have) should not restrict them from doing certain things -- and also -- that society should accommodate them on other things.

I'm glad people are becoming *more educated* here.

Regards,
Star Traveler


65 posted on 10/10/2006 2:28:05 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: hotshu

Come on...we know DJ is blind, but he is not deaf!


66 posted on 10/10/2006 2:28:56 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: SmithL

I delivered for UPS for 29 years and took a hearing test with each physical. I doubt that if I had flunked that test, I would have been allowed to continue working therer, according to I.C.C. rules.


67 posted on 10/10/2006 2:30:40 PM PDT by Straight8
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To: AngrySpud

You said -- "In any case, what's the difference between a deaf driver and a hearing driver who is listening to a loud radio? And finally, you don't see many deaf drivers chatting on cell phones, do ya?"

Yes, they're more visually aware of their surrounding circumstances, because it's their "lifeline".

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. -- It's too bad that so many FReepers are so woefully ignorant on the subject. I've seen it before (on previoius threads) about the deaf community.


68 posted on 10/10/2006 2:31:00 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Lekker 1

You said -- "So....exactly WHY do trains blow their horns when they approach a crossing?"

Because it sounds cool. And also, it scares the little kids.

Otherwise, look both ways and proceed carefully -- *regardless* of horn or "no horn".

Regards,
Star Traveler


69 posted on 10/10/2006 2:33:33 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: AngrySpud
In any case, what's the difference between a deaf driver and a hearing driver who is listening to a loud radio?

The hearing driver listening to the loud radio would be distracted. The deaf driver would not.

And finally, you don't see many deaf drivers chatting on cell phones, do ya?

Well, now that you mention it . . .

70 posted on 10/10/2006 2:34:41 PM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: Capt. Tom
"Didn't you hear those police sirens?"

Since when does the Americans with Disability Act require common sense in order to make the lawyer and client rich?

Remember Exon was sued because the drunk captain ran the tanker aground in Alaska.

Then they were sued again because they didn't rehire the him.
71 posted on 10/10/2006 2:35:09 PM PDT by a02001
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To: HEY4QDEMS

You said -- "I see young kids driving by with music blaring so loud, they may as well be deaf."

Yeah, and the car manufacturers are advertising that their cars are *so soundproof* that you can't hear anything outside -- making the inside of your car your own private room (with no outside disturbances).

With me, I turn on the air conditioner blower and put it on high and I can't hear a thing outside (with that fan going). And I hear good (no problems there). Also, at times, I've had people in the car that want the radio on, up a bit loud, too -- and you're right, you can't hear what's going on outside.

In those cases, you're *highly dependent* upon your *eyes* to warn you of what's happening.

Regards,
Star Traveler


72 posted on 10/10/2006 2:38:20 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: flutters

You said -- "A deaf person can operate a vehicle just fine and probably more observant of their surroundings than the hearing."

That's absolutely right. The deaf person has a highly tuned ability for "seeing". I don't mean that they actually see any better (physically) -- but rather -- that they *pay attention* better than the hearing person does. The hearing person will rely upon their sense of hearing to the detriment of their sight (at least to the extent that the deaf person uses it).

Regards,
Star Traveler


73 posted on 10/10/2006 2:40:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: SmithL

Have you noticed, UPS does not have any drivers in wheelchairs?


74 posted on 10/10/2006 2:41:16 PM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: tubebender

He's just gettin' a bit long in the tooth. Is UPS going with him to Toyota?


75 posted on 10/10/2006 2:41:38 PM PDT by hotshu
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To: SmithL

"The Ninth Circuit does it.."
"The Ninth Circuit does it.."
"again."
"again."
76 posted on 10/10/2006 2:44:41 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: TommyDale
Yeah, and I bet they discriminated against the blind drivers, too! (/sarc for those so stupid you might think this was serious)

Don't know how to tell ya this, Tommy, but I recall reading years ago that UPS *was* sued for not allowing people who were blind in one eye to drive the trucks.

This either happened or my aging memory is failing me.

77 posted on 10/10/2006 2:45:03 PM PDT by freespirited (A government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.- Barry Goldwater)
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To: tubebender
Impossible.

"DJ, you can go towards the front anytime now."

"Say that again!"

"Now is the time to GO, driver!"

"What did you say?"

"GO GO GO - NOW!"

"10-4. I'll just hang right here for a few more laps."

78 posted on 10/10/2006 2:47:22 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: Star Traveler

That's interesting, thanks for that little tidbit of knowledge! I didn't realize that.


79 posted on 10/10/2006 2:54:58 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (They [liberals] aren't humans, but rather a species of hairless retarded ape.)
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To: VRWCTexan
proof that even self-proclaimed conservatives instinctively reason like leftists given the right stimulus. Even played the "JimRob" card.

This isn't a fair fight, logically, so I'm going to do the stand-up thing and withdraw.

80 posted on 10/10/2006 3:00:29 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: freespirited

Well, based on the last several shipments of mine that they have messed up, I would think that perhaps UPS has several visually handicapped personnel in the sorting area.


81 posted on 10/10/2006 3:09:47 PM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: SmithL; All

my mother was hard of hearing. but I still don't think it would have been wise for her to drive a UPS truck. this is the end of the matter for me. HELLO!


82 posted on 10/10/2006 3:12:06 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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To: freespirited
Next thing we know, these famous brothers will be suing the Air Force to become pilots!

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83 posted on 10/10/2006 3:13:24 PM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: GaltMeister; TommyDale; Cobra64; Kaylee Frye
"Not at our bank's drive-up cash machine. It has braille on the buttons.

ATM machines are manufactured 'one size fits all' - that machine might end up in a lobby, hospital, convinience store, or built into the wall for drive-up use."

They are useful if you have a blind passenger.

84 posted on 10/10/2006 3:20:22 PM PDT by 1forall (America - my home, my land, my country.)
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To: SmithL
This is legal tyranny by the evil 9th Circus, the worst court in the USA.

Can you imagine the vast money the very same crooked trial lawyers will make suing UPS (a WONDERFUL company) for accidents caused by deaf drivers who cannot hear vehicle horns or childrens' screams?

Hey, blind drivers are also discriminated against!


85 posted on 10/10/2006 3:27:29 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: VRWCTexan

"Last time I checked Jim Rob that founded this board was doing a pretty good job from his wheel-chair.?"


AND we have a winner! You just won the Non-sequetor award of the day.

Please note that Jim Rob didn't ask the government for anything, other than to keep its cotton pickin hands off the Internet.

The lawyers and 'activists' in the ADA crowd would have sued everyone and every company if they could. With teh ADA, they can. And given time, they will sue (or intimidate) all of us.

It is time for us to recognize the wisdom of the men who wrote the Constitution. They knew G*d didn't create all men equal. As proof of that, I give you any Olympic sprint Gold Medal winner versus Jim Rob, Helen Thomas versus any bright model, etc.

Even less did the Founders imagine man would become so arrogant as to assume that a mere law could outlaw extinction or control climate. Washington, DC needs to have its meds adjusted, STAT.

It's not about abilities, for we all have more ability than we will actualize. What it IS about is using our abilities. Again, Jim Rob is my case in point.


86 posted on 10/10/2006 3:27:46 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: Lekker 1
Huh???
Say What???
87 posted on 10/10/2006 3:28:52 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: mrsmith

88 posted on 10/10/2006 3:31:50 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: 1forall

Shouldn't the braille portion be on the passenger side?


89 posted on 10/10/2006 3:32:12 PM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: TommyDale

Your passenger will sit behind the drivers' seat.


90 posted on 10/10/2006 5:34:18 PM PDT by 1forall (America - my home, my land, my country.)
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To: SmithL

Just wait - some deaf guy will back over someone or something and then the same idiotic lawyer will sue them again for negligence.


91 posted on 10/10/2006 10:27:07 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: GaltMeister
What Are The Other Requirements For A CDL?

Who cares? These folks just wan't to drive the little brown vans. They don't need a CDL for that.

92 posted on 10/11/2006 1:07:01 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: TommyDale

There's no way they discriminate against the blind. Have you ever watched the way those brown trucks are driven?


93 posted on 10/11/2006 1:17:11 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: SmithL

The 9th Circus is nothing more than a filthy rest stop on the highway to the Supreme Court - - you pull in, do your business, wash up real good, try not to make eye contact with anybody, and get out of there as fast as you can.


94 posted on 10/11/2006 1:39:46 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: wallcrawlr; dmw; merry10; All
For everyone to know, I am deaf myself and there's basically no evidence that deaf drivers are any less capable than hearing drivers.

If I am wrong, I will like to see documentation that deaf drivers are indeed a threat.

95 posted on 10/11/2006 1:47:00 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: -YYZ-; All
You are correct in that case. The last time I checked, everyone have to use their eyes to drive, whether hearing or deaf.

Regarding the deaf individual's ability to communicate, it is really case by case basis. There are many Deaf people who are currently using hearing aids and cochlear implants to communicate with their customers.

Rush Limbaugh comes up in my mind, no matter how much he is able to use cochlear implant, he is Deaf without using it.

So if FReepers are making fun of Deaf people on this forum, or accusing them of not having an ability to do a mundane thing such as driving, that is quite childish to do so.

Odd enough, at the same time I do doubt that the same FReepers would forbid Rush Limbaugh from driving to his job at the radio station.

96 posted on 10/11/2006 1:54:23 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: Andonius_99
Deafness is not an impediment to good driving. You have to compensate by looking ahead and behind you and judging the flow of traffic. When backing out of a parking space, I honk my horn since I can't hear the traffic behind me and I warn other drivers I'm about to leave. You can't judge someone solely by their disability. UPS has to evaluate deaf drivers on the same basis they would evaluate hearing drivers in deciding on fitness for the job. As a deaf person, I don't ask for special treatment; just to be treated like every one else.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

97 posted on 10/11/2006 2:06:31 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: AngrySpud
You'd think so, but it's not true. I grew up with deaf parents, uncles, cousins, and assorted family friends. On average, they're safer drivers. I suppose their other senses are more acute

There's a popular myth that the loss of one sense makes the others more acute, but research doesn't support it. There's a good reason for that perception, though -- someone with four senses instead of five has less divided attention. A deaf driver isn't distracted by a blaring stereo (his or anyone else's), a ringing cell phone or a yakking passenger.

Deaf people don't see better, but they watch better -- just like blind people don't hear better, but they listen better.

98 posted on 10/11/2006 2:17:56 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: goldstategop
"As a deaf person, I don't ask for special treatment; just to be treated like every one else."

Thanks for saying that. I too am deaf and that's all I ask for too. What you said in your post is very intelligent, unlike some of the ignorant comments made by fellow FReepers. It always amazes me how ignorant some people can be. Thanks for sharing and educating the "ignorant ones" among us.

99 posted on 10/11/2006 4:05:20 AM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: SmithL

If the state is willing to issue the driver a license, how can UPS have a cow?


100 posted on 10/11/2006 4:09:08 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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