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Norman warns PGA Tour's future in trouble (Blames Tiger Woods)
Fox Sports ^ | 10/11/06 | AP

Posted on 10/11/2006 11:52:00 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: AJ504

We won the lottery the year before last and went to one of the practice rounds. I took about 200 pictures of the course and the players. Got pictures of Tiger and Jack Nicklaus. It was just terrific. Then the most disappointing thing happened...my camera went missing as we were leaving the course. It wasn't turned in and no one found it. I was just sick.

We are back in the lottery again, but people wait years to win, and some never do. I didn't care about the camera so much as I did the pictures. That might have been a once in a lifetime experience. And never again to get Jack at the Master's.


61 posted on 10/11/2006 12:45:34 PM PDT by AUsome Joy
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To: wagglebee
"They don't necessarily need to win, they just need to consistently finish in the top ten or so. And a lot of these guys just tour for a year or so to make them more appealing for jobs as pros at private clubs. A head pro at a fairly exclusive club will often have a starting salary of over $200K a year.

Exactly right!

62 posted on 10/11/2006 12:45:37 PM PDT by RightResponse (It depends on what the defamation of Islam is .....)
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To: RightResponse
You want some good golf? Let's see them play for some of their own money in the pot!

I'd still go with Trevino in that case.... he's the quintessential "money" player....look at his head to head with Jack... got a good sense of humor also.

63 posted on 10/11/2006 12:45:49 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

That's because it's one of the top half dozen or so courses in the country, but the greens fees are about one-tenth of what you would pay at a place like the Number 2 Course at Pinehurst, or Pebble Beach (those two courses are at least "semi-public" most other top courses are totally private).


64 posted on 10/11/2006 12:47:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Polyxene
Norman lost credibility with me when he started palling around (or whatever they did) with Bubba

Norman lost credibility with me when he showed up with his cowboy hat and long hair. To this day, my favorite Masters Sunday was when he blew his big lead and lost to Nick Faldo.

65 posted on 10/11/2006 12:48:17 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: wagglebee
They don't necessarily need to win, they just need to consistently finish in the top ten or so.

I should have said perform at a very high level of performance consistently.

Unlike other sports that have salaries.

66 posted on 10/11/2006 12:49:05 PM PDT by zarf
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To: wagglebee

I think it just may the end of a "bubble" that Tiger helped create.

His rise sparked an increase in viewers and popularity, and more golf venues seemed to obtain "celebrity" status and live coverage during that rise (seems to me). Now all that rise has begun to spread the viewers and ad-revenue out over what seems to me wider media golf coverage. So maybe a golf "bubble" is ending, that's all, as the popularity and potential viewers retreat to more historic levels.


67 posted on 10/11/2006 12:49:17 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: All
I would posit that the number of commercials in televised golf events is killing TV golf. Seems it's about 50/50 in terms of content to advertising. The Masters is a wonderful exception.

In addition it seems that the current crop of commentators are pretty bush league, especially some of the ex-players. It's like they never had a bad shot in their career.

Between the two it keeps me from watching as much as I would otherwise.

68 posted on 10/11/2006 12:49:54 PM PDT by Proud_texan
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To: wagglebee
... but I think everyone was amazed that someone would come along and immediately prove to the world that it wasn't just a "white man's" game either.

Well, that was the media template when Tiger turned pro, but sadly for them, Tiger refused to play the race card even when that jerk Fuzzy dealt him a royal flush.

What amazed me was that he turned pro and immediately dominated the field like no one had done since Byron Nelson during the talent short war years. Apparently the pros who followed Tiger as an amateur were not at all surprised. They knew how good he was.

But for all of his talent, I don't think he has has near the impact on the game as Palmer had in the 50s. The vast majority of people who follow Tiger around the course are people who would be following someone else if Tiger weren't there. Arnie brought an entirely new legion of golf fans out.

69 posted on 10/11/2006 12:50:11 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Wuli
So maybe a golf "bubble" is ending, that's all, as the popularity and potential viewers retreat to more historic levels.

Tiger spent the first half of this year in a slump getting over his father's illness and subsequent death. He then came roaring back the second half of the season (except for the Ryder). If he has some early wins next season (especially if he wins the Masters), the whole thing will just be a forgotten blip.

70 posted on 10/11/2006 12:51:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: zarf

Not to pick on you, but you don't know too much about professional golf. Players, in effect, have salaries in the form of sponsorships that pay them to wear certain logo'd clothing, and carry/play brand name equipment, etc.

Just like any other job, they must perform, or they lose their sponsor, or worse, their PGA card to qualify them for the tour events.


71 posted on 10/11/2006 12:53:49 PM PDT by RightResponse (It depends on what the defamation of Islam is .....)
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To: MarineBrat
Golf is a gentleman's game

That's the concept. In reality, golf is a game played mostly by men who are gentlemen anywhere but on the golf course. The gentleman on the course is the exception, but always a pleasure to have in your foursome.

72 posted on 10/11/2006 12:54:02 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Ditto
I think that every sport has that one athlete who brings new fans to the sport.

In gymnastics that happened in 1972 when Olga Korbut competed at Munich. There was an explosion in the interest of the sport that Nadia Comenici and Mary Lou Retton enjoyed but did not cause.

Tiger is a unique talent, and I love to watch him, but there was golf in my house when I grew up and that came from Arnie and Jack.

Gymanstics was an ignored sport before Olga...now the networks, especially during the Olympics, stay with gymnastics hoping to find another Olga. It will not happen. She was once in a lifetime.

73 posted on 10/11/2006 12:56:37 PM PDT by carton253 (He who would kill you, get up early and kill him first.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Foursomes at one course in NJ would have one of their group spend the night so they could get on. My husband would go as a single and get there about 7am and could always play.

This was a public course. Don't you think it depends on how many public courses are available? NJ built a lot of new courses since then so spending the night is probably not needed now.

Here in the South new courses are popping up all over the place.


74 posted on 10/11/2006 12:56:44 PM PDT by AUsome Joy
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To: RightResponse
"Of all the sports, golf is the game where the players have to win to survive."
"Oh, really!!? Ever heard of Michelle Wie?"

On the PGA Tour, the 125th worst (good for a one year tour card) will make over $500,000. Shoot par every round on The Tour (a pro has no handicap) and you will be a millionaire.

yitbos

75 posted on 10/11/2006 12:56:55 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. " - Ayn Rand)
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To: Laserman

I'm with you,if Tiger is in the mix on Sunday I'll watch,otherwise I watch Nascar.


76 posted on 10/11/2006 12:59:27 PM PDT by Antique Gal (Antique Gal)
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To: bruinbirdman
"On the PGA Tour, the 125th worst (good for a one year tour card) will make over $500,000. Shoot par every round on The Tour (a pro has no handicap) and you will be a millionaire."

Sounds right! (Shooting par every round on the tour, though, would be in the top 10)

77 posted on 10/11/2006 1:00:48 PM PDT by RightResponse (It depends on what the defamation of Islam is .....)
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To: wagglebee

Norman is right about one thing: the new technology has given people with average athletic ability hope. My eighteen hole score went from 100 on my good days to 89. Titanium clubs heads with graphite shafts make a huge difference.

I bought Callaway Big Bertha irons, they are set with weights that almost force the golfer to hit the ball straight, and to get it up in the air.

The clubs companies are producing today are awesome.


78 posted on 10/11/2006 1:01:18 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Proud_texan
" Seems it's about 50/50 in terms of content to advertising. The Masters is a wonderful exception. "

You'll have to admit that golf on the networks does have some of the classiest (best?) commercials you'll see.

yitbos

79 posted on 10/11/2006 1:02:14 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. " - Ayn Rand)
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To: mewzilla
But I'd still like to see one tourney where all the players use the exact same equipment. I think that would be fun to watch.

I played today on a very tight course and never used a single driver. If the fairways are tree lined and there is water and traps which are in play with a driver, why use it and get in trouble? I'd rather be 25 yards shorter and be in play.

80 posted on 10/11/2006 1:03:59 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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