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Lawsuit claims Santa Barbara News-Press didn't pay overtime
AP ^ | 10/11/6

Posted on 10/11/2006 9:20:01 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: TracyTucson
The employers are smart, that is why they are the employers, they are smart enough to use laws designed to protect employees against the employees,

Yep that sounds about right.

As of 1 Oct. I've been paid almost 16K in OT.

That's Days, Nights, Weekends, Holidays, anything I've been asked and very often at a moments notice.

I hope like hell I keep being exploited like this

By the way, how do you feel about double time?

41 posted on 10/11/2006 11:58:03 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: vikzilla

< What portion of the constitution is violated by OT laws? >

First Amendment. I don't have the right to organize and use my freedom of speech to ask my employer if I can be a cashier at WalMart for 45 hours a week at straight time, that right has been taken away by legislation which imposes on those rights.

This is no different than a Minimum Engagement Ring law, that would dictate to a man that the engagement ring he purchases has to be at least worth $2000. If the woman only wants a $1500 ring, her rights are being imposed on by that law.

Some employees don't want OT, some employees understand economics and understand that OT laws often create a greater expense for labor, which means the employer has to charge more for the goods on the shelf, so when the employee goes out shopping on his day off, he is then greeted with higher prices at the stores he shops at. I know a lot of people that don't want to pay higher prices.


42 posted on 10/11/2006 11:58:25 PM PDT by TracyTucson (Teachers : Overpaid and Underworked........ Eliminate > ADA, EOE, NLRB, SS, DOE)
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To: vikzilla

< As of 1 Oct. I've been paid almost 16K in OT. >

Yes, that is good for you. The people on the auto assembly lines also get Overtime, that is good for them. So when you go and buy your next car, you can pay more, it's good that you made that extra 16K in OT, because you will need that at the stores to pay for the higher prices of goods which are raised to pay the OT costs of all the other employees in society :-) what goes around comes around, what the Ford assembly line worker considers to be OT is what the Ford Mustang buyer in the showroom considers to be a high sticker price.


43 posted on 10/12/2006 12:01:46 AM PDT by TracyTucson (Teachers : Overpaid and Underworked........ Eliminate > ADA, EOE, NLRB, SS, DOE)
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To: TracyTucson
Some employees don't want OT,

Ok, now slowly, step away from the bag and put down the bong so that nobody gets hurt.

44 posted on 10/12/2006 12:07:48 AM PDT by vikzilla
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To: TracyTucson
what the Ford Mustang buyer in the showroom considers to be a high sticker price.

Ford for whatever reason, decided it was willing to pay the penalty for working people in excess of 40 hrs.

The Mustang is in the showroom on time, it will compete against other vehicles based on quality, and price.

Ford will live or die based on the consumers decisions.

Would it be better for Ford to hire more people (Healthcare,Pension, etc) and increase costs further or pay OT to those already employed, guaranteeing delivery to the showroom on time.

Could we use another example than Ford next. I hate their vehicles.

45 posted on 10/12/2006 12:20:47 AM PDT by vikzilla
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To: SmithL
The individual states have no constitutional authority to abridge the freedom to contract your labor:

Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

But the feds may.
Violates the spirit, no question. But not the letter.

46 posted on 10/12/2006 12:48:02 AM PDT by Oschisms
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To: SmithL
Santa Barbara questions: If their are any Santa Barbaraites on this thread, what is it like to live up there as a liberal? Is the town utterly dead for a middle aged gal and her husband or does it have some stimulation? Is the college invested completely with insane libs is there some sort of balance in this town and its institutions. Just curious?

Finally what the heck is up with their paper and ex-employees that this article is about? I know they all (specific journalists) up and walked out one day. I am just curious about an insiders perspective.

47 posted on 10/12/2006 3:23:10 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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"If their are any Santa Barbaraites on this thread, what is it like to live up there as a liberal?"

I'm guessing you mean conservative?

Anyway, I grew up there. Here are some points. If you are a social conservative, you will hate it. Well, if you're a vocal one, you'll hate it. There's all sorts of new-agey hippy-dippy thought running about there but it's not so constantly present that you'd have to care unless the presence of people like that galls you.

Fiscal conservatives can be very happy there.

UCSB is chock full of moonbats in the humanities departments and pragmatists in the engineering/science areas.

Problem is that unless you're independently wealthy forget living there; housing is impossibly expensive.

I don't know about the News-Suppress' crisis; I don't live there any more.


48 posted on 10/12/2006 7:05:28 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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< The Mustang is in the showroom on time, it will compete against other vehicles based on quality, and price. >

Hard to compete against other vehicles, when some of them are coming from overseas where these restrictive OT and minimum wage laws don't exist. OT laws, healthcare laws, and minimum wage laws all lead to certain jobs going overseas.


49 posted on 10/12/2006 8:37:06 AM PDT by TracyTucson (Teachers : Overpaid and Underworked........ Eliminate > ADA, EOE, NLRB, SS, DOE)
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Thanks for the post. Yeah, I certainly meant conservative, sorry about that. I posted while extremely tired, which I am finding is synonymous with drunk dialing :-).

This is good news about the fiscal conservatives. I hadn't expected that. As long as the hippy dippies aren't protesting and showing up outside the restaurants, shops and attending every art and church event I think I will be fine. Hopefully there are a few conservative Catholics and church goers in that small city.

I am saddened overall about moonbats taking over the Humanities dept at UCSB, but I guess these days to have balance in any Humanities dept, would be an exception, not a rule.

What is the overall stimulation factor there? I presently live in the Brentwood/Santa Monica area of LA, so we have alot of stimulation (and libs galore--People's Republic of Santa Monica), but we also are looking forward to some peace and quiet, but not utter deadness, nor lack of culture or the end of attending art and intellectual functions.

SB seems like it at least has energy and lots of shopping (if all else fails, a very good diversion :-). My fear of SB is being overrun with liberal spewage and having a very few conservatives to bond with. I am getting tired of not having fellow conservatives around in my physical world. (LOVE MY FREEP!!!!)

Is it one of those small incestuous communities? I am a loner (by choice), don't like people in my business, and a writer who needs lots of privacy, so this would concern me as well. (although if there were loads of like minded people I could suddenly be quite a social butterfly :-).

50 posted on 10/12/2006 2:54:46 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: TracyTucson
Hard to compete against other vehicles, when some of them are coming from overseas where these restrictive OT and minimum wage laws don't exist. OT laws, healthcare laws, and minimum wage laws all lead to certain jobs going overseas.

Well these are the principles that have brought us the largest middle class in the history of the world.

If you wish to regress to the Turd world way of life so be it.

You're going to play hell finding people to work for you there boss.

You seem to begrudge labor having a share of the pie.

I don't. If I'm producing widgets, I like to think the people working for me and investing themselves in my success will at least have the option of someday owning a widget.

51 posted on 10/12/2006 5:52:04 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: GOP Poet

"This is good news about the fiscal conservatives. I hadn't expected that."

If memory serves, SB has been a money haven since early movie days: it was Hollywood pre-Hollywood (1910s) and remained a favorite spot for movie stars in the days before Hollywood went insane.

There's not a lot of protest type action.

As you're a writer, you should find things to your liking (there's an annual writer's conference, among other things; I had the pleasure of meeting Ray Bradbury and Charles Schulz there) but if you're writing about politics you may shock people who assume you're from the left. :)

Since you mention being Catholic, you should definitely visit the Mission. In my opinion it's the best of the bunch.

Generally SB lacks the frenetic behavior I've observed from SoCal people but it's not NoCal granola either. Attitudinally it's in the middle, much like its geographical position.

If you're a Douglas Adams fan, stop for dinner at the Enterprise Fish Company (Great Fish Enterprise Co.? It's been a long time). That's the restaurant in which Arthur says to Fenchurch "Why's this fish so bloody good?" in _So Long and Thanks for All the Fish_.


52 posted on 10/13/2006 7:04:18 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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