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Americans are playing poker online? Oh, the humanity!
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 10/13/06 | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Posted on 10/13/2006 5:03:36 PM PDT by KDD

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To: Hildy
So does drinking, smoking and overreating...how about we ban all that too. I'M SO SICK OF THE GOVERNMENT TELLING ME HOW I CAN SPEND MY MONEY.

So break the law then.

But face the fact that govts DO get involved when they see particularly destructive vices breaking down society.

21 posted on 10/13/2006 5:35:21 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
If this is true, then Frist deserves a medal.

If Frist deserves a medal it would be for being an anti-freedom, anti-American, pro-nanny state, pandering Senator.

The Founders of this Country, who saw nothing wrong with funding the Revolution with gambling proceeds, would be disgusted, as I am.

22 posted on 10/13/2006 5:38:57 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So this legislation actually helps American gaming interests instead of foreign gamers.

Unless it's in answer to unfair practices initiated on the other side, it's more likely that protectionist policies will ultimately be more damaging than they are helpful in the long term.

23 posted on 10/13/2006 5:40:07 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Everyone knows land based casinos in America are losing money to the popular online casinos so they got the Frist legislation passed to ban online gambling in the US.

This "fact" couldn't be more wrong.

Nevada casinos have been on an overall growth curve for years and July '06 saw revenues up sharply in a typically slow month. Nevada casinos do not support banning online gaming legislation and should be given credit for successfully lobbying the Leach anti-Internet gambling bill into an early death.


24 posted on 10/13/2006 5:42:26 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Jorge
But face the fact that govts DO get involved when they see particularly destructive vices breaking down society.

I take it we're supposed to dumbly accept that internet gambling is a "particularly destructive vice breaking down society" as self-evident truth.

25 posted on 10/13/2006 5:47:26 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ThinkDifferent
"Besides, you can still gamble your nest egg away in 10 minutes if you choose. Just sign up for an online brokerage account and start "playing the market"."

Exactly. They had to specifically add an exception for securities trading in the bill, otherwise ETrade would be illegal.

You're comparing investing in the stockmarket etc to taking your money to a casino?

You're joking right?

Casinos are a business built and dependent on odds DESIGNED to take your money from you. TO MAKE YOU A LOSER.

Stockmarkets and investment firms are the part of a free capitilist system that gives everybody an equal chance to get in on betting on future profits.

You are free to support online gambling if you like but, spare us the unbalanced and distorted comparisons.

26 posted on 10/13/2006 5:49:59 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: KDD; frogjerk

this has a very negligible effect on online poker. every site I play at except one (PartyPoker) has made it clear that for US players it's "business as usual".

even though this is a bipartisan bill - payback to the Indian casino lobbying money, most of the blame among poker players is landing on the Republicans. it could hurt them in November.


27 posted on 10/13/2006 5:54:30 PM PDT by fnord (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)
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To: tacticalogic
I take it we're supposed to dumbly accept that internet gambling is a "particularly destructive vice breaking down society" as self-evident truth.

Only when it get out of hand.

By the way, like drug abuse, gambling has been found to most adversly effect the poor and lower class more so than the rest of society.

So the people who can afford it the least are hurt the most.

28 posted on 10/13/2006 5:54:48 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Oh Yeah?

How much did you lose when the dot com bubble burst?

Your reply to #18 is disingenuous, to say the least.
29 posted on 10/13/2006 5:56:44 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Jorge

Do you think it's out of hand, and that it's the federal government's job to protect us from ourselves?


30 posted on 10/13/2006 5:57:02 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jorge
By the way, like drug abuse, gambling has been found to most adversely affect the poor and lower class more so than the rest of society.

They are less likely to be able to employ the resources needed to defend themselves against the State then those in upper income brackets...that's all.

31 posted on 10/13/2006 6:00:02 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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I hear the Democraps are banning it because they can't tax it and they're pissed!


32 posted on 10/13/2006 6:02:34 PM PDT by Justice4Reds
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To: Justice4Reds

Actually, for the most part, online Casinos have been begging to be reglulated and taxed.


33 posted on 10/13/2006 6:05:04 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: KDD
"By the way, like drug abuse, gambling has been found to most adversely affect the poor and lower class more so than the rest of society."

They are less likely to be able to employ the resources needed to defend themselves against the State then those in upper income brackets...that's all.

Did the state make them blow their meager incomes in a casino?

34 posted on 10/13/2006 6:05:12 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: KDD
Your reply to #18 is disingenuous, to say the least.

OK. Whatever you say. Thank you for the response.

35 posted on 10/13/2006 6:06:32 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Malsua
Besides, you can still gamble your nest egg away in 10 minutes if you choose. Just sign up for an online brokerage account and start "playing the market".

Good point. My nextdoor neigbor had a bit of a nest egg, after working for ATT for like 30 years.

He blew almost all of it, like 300K, around 2001 online during the dot bomb.
36 posted on 10/13/2006 6:13:54 PM PDT by djf (There is no such thing as "moderate muslims". They are all "silent supporters!!")
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To: Jorge

It's called "Choice".

Using the State to stifle Choice in matters of adults and their relationship with vice destroys the very concept of morality...

Albert J. Nock argues in his essay, "On Doing the Right Thing," that the moral development of the individual is stunted every time the State extends its activity into new areas because the area available for the unhindered and free exercise of the human moral faculties is thus reduced.

In fact, he argues, in moral philosophy there is a fundamental assumption that individuals are responsible for their actions. It makes no sense to say that an individual should or should not do something on moral grounds (e.g. place a bet on a football game) if that individual cannot freely choose between different courses of action (if betting is illegal). Nock argues that literally there can be no such thing as morality unless one has the freedom to choose between alternatives, without external sources of coercion.


37 posted on 10/13/2006 6:14:12 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: KDD

All of those poker games that I played (while I play) with friends while watching football were (are) illegal?

The Law is often an ass.

Of course it is all about tax revenue after all, which makes anybody who votes for a professional politician the real ass.

When you really think about it.


38 posted on 10/13/2006 6:21:24 PM PDT by Radix (I like to read. In fact, I rarely comment on books that I have not ever read, in fact never.)
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To: KDD
As much as I detest gambling, don't waste my time telling me that this ban on gambling over the internet is about morality when most states operate mega-million dollar lotteries.

The issue is economic liberty and the desire of big and Bigger government to choke off any way that people can conduct any personal business outside of the government tax compliance apparatus.

I suggest people look at The Gold Casino:
http://www.thegoldcasino.com/


Or any of the several other online gaming sites that accept digital gold currencies:
http://gold-pages.net/Casino/index.html
39 posted on 10/13/2006 6:21:34 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: KDD
Using the State to stifle Choice in matters of adults and their relationship with vice destroys the very concept of morality...

With all due respect, that's absurd and the man you quote is a moron.

The Bible tells us that God Himself gives govt the authority to enforce moral codes.

Probably because if left to the individual it would lead to anarchy and the disintegration of society.

40 posted on 10/13/2006 6:22:58 PM PDT by Jorge
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