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Americans are playing poker online? Oh, the humanity!
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 10/13/06 | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Posted on 10/13/2006 5:03:36 PM PDT by KDD

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To: Phantom Lord

what sites are those?

FullTilt, Doyles, PokerStars, Bugsy's, Bodog. I know these are allowing US players.

I know the online money transfer site Firepay has opted out but Neteller is still working.


51 posted on 10/13/2006 7:01:43 PM PDT by fnord (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)
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To: Phantom Lord
You mean like state lotteries? The government doesn't mind when those who can afford it least go broke when the money they gamble goes to the government.

You're right. Good point.

52 posted on 10/13/2006 7:04:32 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Dreagon
The "religious right" are wondering what they have to show for the past five years at all.

Alito and Roberts come to mind.

53 posted on 10/13/2006 7:04:48 PM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: fnord
Noble Poker and Empire Poker for two are not allowing US accounts to play for real money.

I was able to play last night, but not tonight.

54 posted on 10/13/2006 7:05:29 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: KDD
Anyone else tired of GOP pandering to the religous right?

I wish they would pander more.

This online gambling bill has nothing to do with the "religious right".

55 posted on 10/13/2006 7:05:43 PM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: frogjerk

what say you on post #51


56 posted on 10/13/2006 7:06:00 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: UncleJeff

yeah, a lot of that voting won't materialize. but I know of no one who is switching to voting Republican because of this, so there can only be net loss.

I'm not the biggest fan of Republicans, and I'll never vote Dim, but this is a dumb move.


57 posted on 10/13/2006 7:06:42 PM PDT by fnord (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)
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To: frogjerk

unfortunately, the only pandering they are doing is Hispandering.


58 posted on 10/13/2006 7:07:15 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Phantom Lord

sorry to hear that

I cant play at Party, and I loved feasting on the fish there. Most of the other sites are a little tougher to beat.


59 posted on 10/13/2006 7:07:54 PM PDT by fnord (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)
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To: Phantom Lord
I'm going to wait it out until there is a bonafide legal loophole found. Any legislation rammed thru Congress without debate is bound to have some gaping holes. The demand and the American money is too great for the offshore casinos and third-party merchants to ignore.
60 posted on 10/13/2006 7:10:31 PM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: KDD
Anyone else tired of GOP pandering to people like FReepers?
61 posted on 10/13/2006 7:12:36 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: unspun

The last thing I think the GOP has done is pander to conservatives.


62 posted on 10/13/2006 7:16:22 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: frogjerk

Party (and others) overreacted. I told Party as much. Man, I hate losing that site. I'm retired military and that was my bread and butter :-(

I think the only thing that is affected is the method of funding. Firepay is US based so they are crushed but this, but Neteller (and others) are overseas based and they say it has no effect on them.

So now I have to move to new sites and learn the ins and outs there. Oh well, life is still good.


63 posted on 10/13/2006 7:17:06 PM PDT by fnord (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)
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To: fnord

You're right, a lot of it is talk, but between the protest votes against this and those who simply don't vote at all it can add up, but...

Probably fairly insignificant considering how much more opportunity Republicans have to do stupid stuff before the Election.


64 posted on 10/13/2006 7:18:18 PM PDT by UncleJeff
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To: UncleJeff

ha, yeah hard telling what else they have up their sleeves.

this could tip a few close races though, and I dread seeing the Dims in power. things are bad enough now.


65 posted on 10/13/2006 7:25:14 PM PDT by fnord (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)
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To: fnord
The old adage "actions have consequences" apply to most every endeavor...As it should.
66 posted on 10/13/2006 7:30:41 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Phantom Lord; frogjerk

this 2+2 forum post has links to most of the major sites with their statements concerning this legislation:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7509074&an=0&page=0#Post7509074


67 posted on 10/13/2006 7:34:00 PM PDT by fnord (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)
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To: KDD

"unintended consequences" are even worse, and more certain


68 posted on 10/13/2006 7:35:03 PM PDT by fnord (dachshunds with erections can't climb stairs)
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To: fnord
"unintended consequences" are even worse, and more certain

Indeed.

69 posted on 10/13/2006 7:36:47 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Jorge
The Bible tells us that God Himself gives govt the authority to enforce moral codes. Probably because if left to the individual it would lead to anarchy and the disintegration of society.

This Country was founded on the principle that government authority comes from the people. Individuals do have control of the government by their votes. It sounds like the form of government laid out in the U.S. Constitution is not to your liking. Maybe the taliban style of enforcing morality is more your style?

70 posted on 10/13/2006 7:40:22 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: april15Bendovr
Most of the money is going to gambling websites outside our country. Who knows where the money is going?

I don't give a rat's ass if it isn't mine.

72 posted on 10/13/2006 7:44:24 PM PDT by wireman
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To: KDD

bttt


73 posted on 10/13/2006 7:47:18 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: Prokopton

I'm waiting to see what happens when we get around to the First Commandment.


74 posted on 10/13/2006 7:48:01 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: the beholder

Yeah...but you don't see any from China.

That is who the rest of the free world online poker players are comparing American internet users with.


75 posted on 10/13/2006 7:48:20 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Prokopton
It sounds like the form of government laid out in the U.S. Constitution is not to your liking. Maybe the taliban style of enforcing morality is more your style?

So you think the Taliban resembles Christian morality?

Think again.

I never said a word about not liking the framework of our govt.

I simply made a reference to the Bible stating that God has given authority to world govts to enforce laws.

If you have a problem with God then that is between you and Him.

76 posted on 10/13/2006 7:53:16 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: UncleJeff

I like to gamble online as well...I am so pissed off about this HOW DARE THEY DICTATE HOW I CHOOSE to spend my money. I'm really, really mad UncleJeff. This is not why I voted for Republicans, and I am not afraid to say it.


77 posted on 10/13/2006 7:53:54 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

It's just such a stupid move, politically. Who was clamoring for this so much that Frist had to first try to sneak it through attached to a Defense Bill and, when that failed, attach it to the Port Security Bill??

I still think it was his parting gift to the religious Right in exchange for support for his (doomed) Presidential bid.


78 posted on 10/13/2006 8:04:32 PM PDT by UncleJeff
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To: Jorge
I simply made a reference to the Bible stating that God has given authority to world govts to enforce laws.

That would make Robert Mugabe righteous, and the patriots of the American Revolution acting against God. When scriptures get used as platitudes things get weird.

79 posted on 10/13/2006 8:06:37 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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I don't gamble at all
It's not your place to tell me that I shouldn't gamble online if I want to.
80 posted on 10/13/2006 8:10:07 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: Hildy
I'M SO SICK OF THE GOVERNMENT TELLING ME HOW I CAN SPEND MY MONEY.


What!?

You've still got some money LEFT!?

Memo to Agent 329:

Track down this dudes ISP and let's just relieve him of having to figger out what to spend his remainder on...

81 posted on 10/13/2006 8:13:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Jorge
If you have a problem with God then that is between you and Him

Now you've finally made a correct statement. Morality is about freely doing what God wants not about being coerced to do what the government wants.

82 posted on 10/13/2006 8:14:49 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: KDD

So you think abortion is ok, also? That's a choice issue too. And please don't tell me that abortion is different because gambling destroys lives too, and not just the one gambling.


83 posted on 10/13/2006 8:48:58 PM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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To: KDD
The last thing I think the GOP has done is pander to conservatives.

Not the way of the political animal with the big horny snout.

84 posted on 10/13/2006 8:57:37 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: KDD

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll516.xml

The GOP? The Vote was 409-2..190 of those voting for the ban were Democrats. 218 were pubbies. They are equal opportunity panderers.

BTW, I, think the internet gambling ban had more to do with the casinos, than saving our souls.


85 posted on 10/13/2006 9:02:14 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Malsua
The only reason this happened was they couldn't figure out how Uncle Sam was to get his cut.

DING!  DING! DING!

We have a winner!

This was all about raising money in DC. If we could figure out how to make deporting illegal immigrants into a moneymaker for FedGov, the problem will be solved in less than a fortnight.

The campaign contributions from the domestic gamblinig interests was really just icing on the cake. 

86 posted on 10/13/2006 9:09:19 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: sockmonkey
The GOP? The Vote was 409-2..190 of those voting for the ban were Democrats. 218 were pubbies. They are equal opportunity panderers.

Because Frist attached to a port security bill, which nobody was going to vote against.

87 posted on 10/13/2006 9:09:23 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: KDD

IMO, we should close their casinos at home, while they're closing gambling with online casinos.


88 posted on 10/13/2006 9:11:47 PM PDT by familyop ("he died for rodeo horse on Jul 25, 1987." - - skanamaru)
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To: Not just another dumb blonde
Alito on Privacy and Roe

So you think abortion is ok, also?

I don't know anyone who thinks an abortion is "OK", do you?

89 posted on 10/13/2006 9:31:27 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: sockmonkey
BTW, I, think the internet gambling ban had more to do with the casinos, than saving our souls.

I think it's more than just the casinos, but all of it has to do with money. If I read my history correctly, we used to have politicians and bureaucrats who assumed the authority to save souls, and it got ugly.

90 posted on 10/13/2006 9:39:55 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jorge

Of course not, and if you'd read my post more carefully you'd understand that I was arguing just the opposite.

As I said, the mandate of government is not to get rid of every - or any - evil just for the sake of doing so, but to protect society, which results in evil being curtailed.


91 posted on 10/13/2006 9:45:21 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: Jorge
The Bible tells us that God Himself gives govt the authority to enforce moral codes.

Anyone who think this law was passed to enforce moral code is either hopelessly naive or hopelessly trusting. This was strictly about $$$$$$$$$$$.

92 posted on 10/13/2006 9:50:35 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: Jorge
By the way, like drug abuse, gambling has been found to most adversly effect the poor and lower class more so than the rest of society.

So the people who can afford it the least are hurt the most.

Yep. Only the better-educated, upper classes patronize betting scams like this.

93 posted on 10/13/2006 11:35:46 PM PDT by jennyp (There's ALWAYS time for jibber jabber!)
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To: Jorge
Did the state make them blow their meager incomes in a casino?

Does the state make them blow their meager income playing the Lotto?

C'mon, Jorge, this is too easy. The hypocrisy of this bill is thick enough to cut with a knife.

It's enough to make me want to learn poker just so I can break this fricken law.

94 posted on 10/13/2006 11:38:56 PM PDT by jennyp (There's ALWAYS time for jibber jabber!)
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To: jennyp
Leading the corporate lobbying effort in support of the bill – and in opposition to the efforts of UK companies such as SportingBet and Partygaming – was the National Football League, which said it wanted to crack down on sports betting because it hurts the integrity and perception of football in America.

Public records show the NFL has spent more than $3m on lobbying since 1998. Last year, it paid one Washington company, Covington & Burling, $700,000 to lobby on gambling and other issues. Two of its lobbyists, Martin Gold and Bill Wichterman, are former senior aides to Dr Frist.

95 posted on 10/14/2006 3:58:07 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Hildy
Actually, I'm sick of the credit card companies charging 29.98% interest because they have so many other cardholders who default with backruptcy protection after running up their card with gambling debts.

Gamble away. Just change the bankruptcy protection laws. Every penny must be repaid, with interest. Hold the spouse and the children liable (Hey, they all stood to gain, didn't they? Then they all deserve to lose.)

96 posted on 10/14/2006 5:41:39 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Malsua
"you can still gamble your nest egg away in 10 minutes if you choose"

Gambling away the nest egg is not the problem. Gambling away money borrowed from credit cards and other sources drives up MY interest rates and other costs.

Change the bankruptcy protection laws. ALL money must be repaid with interest.

97 posted on 10/14/2006 5:44:57 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Hildy
"I like to gamble online as well..."

Cool! Send me $100 and call heads or tails. I'll let you know if you won.

98 posted on 10/14/2006 5:50:03 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Almost all American credit card companies stopped allowing credit charges to offshore casinos a couple of years ago...90% of online gamblers use web wallets and efts from their banks. And the bankruptcy laws were changed last year in the CC companies favor. Read up on them...Your fears are groundless.
99 posted on 10/14/2006 6:07:34 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: KDD

This oughtta be called the National Internet Gambling Authorization Act.


100 posted on 10/14/2006 6:12:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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