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Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official
AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | October 14, 2006

Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol

Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.

WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."

"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.

Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."

The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.

Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.

"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."

The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.

The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.

Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.

A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.


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KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; darwin; education; enoughalready; evolution; faith; keywordwars; moralabsolutes; poland; preacher; religion; seethingnaturalists; skullporn
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To: lizol
1,051? Dude, this thread is ee-volving! Modern science at work!
1,051 posted on 10/20/2006 2:52:35 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: js1138

Thanks. I will look forward to researching this more in depth the next chance I have of obtaining the journal article. From the summary, though, I would suggests this is not really a measure of an organism's "evolution", but of it's short-term adaptability to a controlled change in it's environment. It will be interesting to read whether they demonstrated any long term changes, or if the organism reverted back after the environment equalized back to normal.


1,052 posted on 10/20/2006 2:55:31 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Elsie
Matthew 20:16
So the last will be first, and the first will be last.

But who will be the 999th?
1,053 posted on 10/20/2006 3:17:38 PM PDT by flipper999 (vote early, vote often, vote republican even if it hurts.)
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To: Revolting cat!

This is my biggest thread so far, I think :-)))


1,054 posted on 10/20/2006 3:56:12 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: SoldierDad

What on earth do you think evolution is?

This is what evolution is. There is no other definition used by biologists.


1,055 posted on 10/20/2006 4:50:47 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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"Quote-mining the bible" placemark


1,056 posted on 10/20/2006 6:46:07 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: js1138

Oh, I see. Then it is not about one animal species morphing into some other previoulsy never existing animal species. It is just about an animal species making changes to the environment so that they can continue to live in that environment. Sort of like when a dog's coat changes when the season changes from either hot or cold. I get it now.


1,057 posted on 10/20/2006 8:24:52 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Marysecretary
Dimensio, I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not.

If you are unwilling to give important and significant details regarding an alleged occurence, then why do you expect to have any credibility when making statements?

I'm not on my way out.

As I never suggested that you were "on your way out", this reply is a non-sequitur.

I just don't recall details

How is it that you are able to recall that an acquaintence of yours taught creationism in a public school, but you are unable to state whether he taught Norse creationism, Genesis creationism, Hindu creationism or the creation story of another religion? If you do not know what variant of creationism was taught, how do you know that creationism was taught at all?
1,058 posted on 10/21/2006 12:03:55 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: SoldierDad
Oh, I see. Then it is not about one animal species morphing into some other previoulsy never existing animal species. It is just about an animal species making changes to the environment so that they can continue to live in that environment.

Yes, it's about changes in the population over generations.

Sort of like when a dog's coat changes when the season changes from either hot or cold. I get it now.

No, it's not about that at all.

1,059 posted on 10/21/2006 5:17:16 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: Dimensio; Fester Chugabrew
If you cannot explain this, then your claim that chaos is a falsification criteria is a lie

That is false, your assertions unsubstantiated, your claims (whatever they may be dimesnio) are worthless.

For all that is demonstrated by you here in your post (and all that you ever demonstrate) is that you reject all explanations that do not conform to your core beliefs. The only place that extrapolates into a belief that Fester or anyone else you declare a liar (as you do on a regular basi) is is in that tight circular little mass of neurons and bio-chemical processes, and the very few who share the results of such a distorted and twisted belief-logic system.

In other words its all in your head.

W.
1,060 posted on 10/21/2006 6:46:56 AM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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I Think I'll Insult Someone Who I Know Won't Reply To Me Placemarker
1,061 posted on 10/21/2006 2:08:13 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: ml1954

Do it at your PERIL!!


"There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live."


1,062 posted on 10/23/2006 4:57:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: js1138; FreedomProtector
"The probability of any complex event, such as the formation of a hurricane at a particular time and place, is essentially zero. and yet hurricanes form"

That statement is so ignorant and absurd that I almost don't know where to start.

How do you define "place," and "form?" - The probability that a dust devil will form on a particular day, somewhere in a newly mowed hay field in Kansas in the month of August is almost 100%. How many hours, and how many square miles of ocean constitute a particular time and place for the formation of a hurricane? Is there any place in the mid Atlantic where a hurricane has not ever formed? How much of the Atlantic is justifyably the mid Atlantic?

Now how can you relate any of that to the probability of the random abiogenesis of a single cell? This is totally unlike hurricane formation, since as you said, hurricanes form, and we know where, when, and how they do. No sane meterologist would ever say that the formation of a hurricane at any particular place in the mid Atlantic in September is improbable. Nobody has ever witnessed a single cellular abiogenetic event anywhere, at any time, and any person who would state that such an event were probable in any place, of any size, over any period of time of any length could hardly be called sane, since no evidence has ever been produced offering any measurable proof that it has ever happened.

Pardon me, but you seem to lack the cognition to grasp what the concept probability even is.

1,063 posted on 10/24/2006 7:50:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: ml1954
Oh so sorry, forgot to get my ping list in there for you.

Placemarker Ping List
A courtesy 'placemarker ping' service
for everytime I might contemplate making a post so all my evo fans can get their 'placemarkers' in
You have been added to this courtesy ping list by way of demonstrating an interest in my posts by use of the 'Message in a Placemarker' and/or numerous sidebar conversations about 'Wolf

To assist beginners: But it's "just a placemarker", Evos are Troll's Toolkit,
and how to marginalize science with religious fanaticism about the monkey god of darwinist ideology.




W.

1,064 posted on 10/24/2006 9:14:15 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

It took you over three days to get around to that. You're slowing up. No matter. As I've said, it's easy to find your idiotic posts on my own.


1,065 posted on 10/25/2006 6:27:13 AM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: ml1954
Oh so sorry, forgot to get my ping list in there for you.
Placemarker Ping List
A courtesy 'placemarker ping'
service for everytime I might contemplate making a post,
 so all my evo fans can get their 'placemarkers' in
You have been added to this courtesy ping list
 by way of demonstrating an interest in my posts by use of the 'Message in a Placemarker'
and/or numerous sidebar conversations about 'Wolf
To assist beginners:

But it's "just a placemarker"
, Evos are Troll's Toolkit,

and how to marginalize science with religious fanaticism about the monkey god of darwinist ideology.
W.


1,066 posted on 10/25/2006 5:49:02 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Coyoteman

no they do NOT teach it as a theory, my friend. my 15 year old stepdaughter was devastated when we told her it was a theory. she keeps demanding it has been proven - because that was how she was taught it. when we asked her why she thought it was called "the theory of evolution" she said she'd never heard it called that before. hmmmm.


1,067 posted on 10/25/2006 5:54:32 PM PDT by florida red
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To: florida red
no they do NOT teach it as a theory, my friend. my 15 year old stepdaughter was devastated when we told her it was a theory. she keeps demanding it has been proven - because that was how she was taught it. when we asked her why she thought it was called "the theory of evolution" she said she'd never heard it called that before. hmmmm.

Now this is an old thread!

Science and religion deal with different subject matters.

If someone is brought up with a completely religious background, believing in global floods and the like, the results of scientific investigations of the natural world, as explored by scientists, will come as a big shock.

I would not tend to blame that on the scientists.

1,068 posted on 10/25/2006 6:32:53 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: RunningWolf
Res Ipsa Loquitur
1,069 posted on 10/25/2006 7:10:27 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Isn't that James Carville on the second row?


1,070 posted on 10/26/2006 9:25:21 AM PDT by DannyTN
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