Skip to comments.Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official
Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol
Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.
WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."
"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.
Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."
The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.
Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.
"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."
The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.
The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.
Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.
A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.
Thanks. I will look forward to researching this more in depth the next chance I have of obtaining the journal article. From the summary, though, I would suggests this is not really a measure of an organism's "evolution", but of it's short-term adaptability to a controlled change in it's environment. It will be interesting to read whether they demonstrated any long term changes, or if the organism reverted back after the environment equalized back to normal.
This is my biggest thread so far, I think :-)))
What on earth do you think evolution is?
This is what evolution is. There is no other definition used by biologists.
"Quote-mining the bible" placemark
Oh, I see. Then it is not about one animal species morphing into some other previoulsy never existing animal species. It is just about an animal species making changes to the environment so that they can continue to live in that environment. Sort of like when a dog's coat changes when the season changes from either hot or cold. I get it now.
Yes, it's about changes in the population over generations.
Sort of like when a dog's coat changes when the season changes from either hot or cold. I get it now.
No, it's not about that at all.
Do it at your PERIL!!
"There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live."
That statement is so ignorant and absurd that I almost don't know where to start.
How do you define "place," and "form?" - The probability that a dust devil will form on a particular day, somewhere in a newly mowed hay field in Kansas in the month of August is almost 100%. How many hours, and how many square miles of ocean constitute a particular time and place for the formation of a hurricane? Is there any place in the mid Atlantic where a hurricane has not ever formed? How much of the Atlantic is justifyably the mid Atlantic?
Now how can you relate any of that to the probability of the random abiogenesis of a single cell? This is totally unlike hurricane formation, since as you said, hurricanes form, and we know where, when, and how they do. No sane meterologist would ever say that the formation of a hurricane at any particular place in the mid Atlantic in September is improbable. Nobody has ever witnessed a single cellular abiogenetic event anywhere, at any time, and any person who would state that such an event were probable in any place, of any size, over any period of time of any length could hardly be called sane, since no evidence has ever been produced offering any measurable proof that it has ever happened.
Pardon me, but you seem to lack the cognition to grasp what the concept probability even is.
It took you over three days to get around to that. You're slowing up. No matter. As I've said, it's easy to find your idiotic posts on my own.
no they do NOT teach it as a theory, my friend. my 15 year old stepdaughter was devastated when we told her it was a theory. she keeps demanding it has been proven - because that was how she was taught it. when we asked her why she thought it was called "the theory of evolution" she said she'd never heard it called that before. hmmmm.
Now this is an old thread!
Science and religion deal with different subject matters.
If someone is brought up with a completely religious background, believing in global floods and the like, the results of scientific investigations of the natural world, as explored by scientists, will come as a big shock.
I would not tend to blame that on the scientists.
Isn't that James Carville on the second row?
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