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Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official
AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | October 14, 2006

Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol

Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.

WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."

"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.

Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."

The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.

Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.

"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."

The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.

The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.

Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.

A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.


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To: BlackElk

There is no more evidence that life evolved here on the earth than there is for it to have been delivered or engineered by extraterrestrials...

How do evolutionists feel about teaching that life came from outer space? They already teach the Big Bang theory...

161 posted on 10/14/2006 8:03:00 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: thomaswest

Fascinating. I did not know Jonathan Wells was a Moonie.

The lack of acceptance of ID (or creationism, for that matter) is the reason Answers in Genesis reaches out to a lot of churches. Interestingly, so does Eugenie Scott and her friends.


162 posted on 10/14/2006 8:03:23 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Lord, help me to be the Christian conservative that liberals fear I am.)
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To: Revolting cat!

There is no more evidence that life evolved here on the earth than there is for it to have been delivered or engineered by extraterrestrials...

How do evolutionists feel about teaching that life came from outer space? They already teach the Big Bang theory...

163 posted on 10/14/2006 8:04:13 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Coyoteman

"Perhaps if you could produce some evidence for your position it would help?

The evidence is all around you to see.

Ever seen the miracle of a child growing? Have you ever intently looked into their faces and in their smile and innocence seen the face of God?


164 posted on 10/14/2006 8:06:23 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
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To: taxesareforever

"Finally, someone with some sense on the issue."


Another misconception, that the earth is so called "round". The bible clearly states that God created the "firmament" or a vast solid dome. Much like a snow globe. The idea that the earth is "round" is just unproven Scientific Theory. The earth is a giant dome and there is no such thing as evolution!


165 posted on 10/14/2006 8:07:06 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Sarcasm)
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To: stultorum; DaveLoneRanger
Non-evolutionists are not the ones looking for an audience; it's the evilutionists that do.

You make it sound as if non-evolutionists start these threads and then you come in, which is NOT true and you know it.

Paging DaveLoneRanger! Here's one you missed on your ping list!

Stultorum--Check out the number of science threads started by Dave and then pinged to the creation ping list, where they are promptly overrun by anti-science Luddites.

166 posted on 10/14/2006 8:07:28 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: BlackElk; bornacatholic; ninenot; sittnick; Convert from ECUSA; Tax-chick

There is no more evidence that life evolved here on the earth than there is for it to have been delivered or engineered by extraterrestrials...

How do evolutionists feel about teaching that life came from outer space? They already teach the Big Bang theory...

167 posted on 10/14/2006 8:09:17 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: freedumb2003

"Billions of fossils, observed micro-evolution, thousands of scientists and millions of science hours be damned.

Rocks, evolutionists, and studying of this nonsense a theory does not make.

It's a lot of crap.

There is no evidence that man is a descendant of apes.


168 posted on 10/14/2006 8:11:23 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
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To: Ichneumon; dighton; Senator Bedfellow
Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."

Good grief. Is this mean Polish jokes are about to return?

169 posted on 10/14/2006 8:12:40 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
There is no more evidence that life evolved here on the earth than there is for it to have been delivered or engineered by extraterrestrials...

That would be false. And posting this falsehood three times in a row does not make it more likely.

(Reminds me of the way Goebbels would do things.)

170 posted on 10/14/2006 8:12:51 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: stultorum
Rocks, evolutionists, and studying of this nonsense a theory does not make.

It's a lot of crap.

There is no evidence that man is a descendant of apes.

Unsupported conjecture ===> Placemarker <===

171 posted on 10/14/2006 8:14:44 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: stultorum; thomaswest
The evolutionists are only here to throw sh*t on the Christians... that is their sole purpose...

Since I am not an orthodox atheist, I say screw them.

GET EVOLUTION OFF OF EDUCATIONAL WELFARE !!!

There is no more evidence that life evolved here on the earth than there is for it to have been delivered or engineered by extraterrestrials...

How do evolutionists feel about teaching that life came from outer space? They already teach the Big Bang theory...

172 posted on 10/14/2006 8:15:05 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: freedumb2003

"Next up: Doubt about that silly "physics" thing. And "chemistry."

Evolution is NOT a science; it's dogma, belief, faith and a tool to brainwash the people whose religion gave rise to science in the first place. I'm talking about Christianity.


173 posted on 10/14/2006 8:15:16 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
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To: Coyoteman
(Reminds me of the way Goebbels would do things.)

Your fond memories are none of my concern...

174 posted on 10/14/2006 8:16:16 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: cripplecreek
Now if only we can get rid of that ridiculous spherical earth lie and get started fantasy that removed the earth from the center of the universe. (sarc?)

How stupid can you get.

The Bible does describe the "circle" of the earth.

Oppose God all you want and see how far you get. Good luck.

175 posted on 10/14/2006 8:17:02 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: thomaswest

Not really...but you can keep thinking that if you want.


176 posted on 10/14/2006 8:20:31 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: cookcounty
Related issue, does anyone seriously argue that Darwin's the agnosticism is not related to embracing a closed naturalistic system to explain all phenomena?

Yes. Many scholars think Darwin's ultimate rejection had more to do with the horrific death of his beloved daughter, Annie. Darwin himself attributed it to his abhorrence of the doctrine of damnation. In any case Darwin was exposed to "free thinkers," both in his own family, and at University (Edinburgh, which he attended before the much more pious Cambridge) and through the social circle of his older brother, Erasmus, long before he mooted the origin of species, but he remained a believer nevertheless.

It always amuses me how some insist that it is possible to believe that God "used" evolution to bring about the biological world, When asked how that is possible, they cite, "well so-snd-so belives it." When pressed for the actual argument of how this works, however, there isn't any argument there, just some more feel-good ad hominems.

It appears you haven't read anything by thoughtful theistic evolutionists. I'll give you some recommendations when I have time.

Quickly googling, for the moment, here (pdf file) is a lecture by one notable, Simon Conway Morris.

177 posted on 10/14/2006 8:21:15 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: cookcounty
" Related issue, does anyone seriously argue that Darwin's the agnosticism is not related to embracing a closed naturalistic system to explain all phenomena?

When Darwin left on the Beagle, he was very much the normal Christian of the time, in fact studied Theology at university, and was particularly enamored of Paley's argument for an Intelligent Designer. At the time of his departure he was what we would now class as an IDist. His agnosticism did not develop until his return. Although some doubt crept in during the voyage he spent the voyage compiling an enormous amount of raw data (and keeping meticulous notes) which he didn't seriously consider until a while after returning to England. The first years were spent in identifying and cataloging specimens.

"It always amuses me how some insist that it is possible to believe that God "used" evolution to bring about the biological world, When asked how that is possible, they cite, "well so-snd-so belives it." When pressed for the actual argument of how this works, however, there isn't any argument there, just some more feel-good ad hominems.

Since God is supposedly all powerful, how is it possible that he couldn't use Evolution? I believe your question is more precisely - How could someone not take the Bible literally.

Easy, they worship God and not the Bible.

What really amazes me is that Biblical literalists are more willing to believe that there exists some all powerful, all knowing ethereal 'mind' that is not only capable of creating life but the entire Universe while still failing to insert any kind of consistency into the Biblical creation stories, but are unwilling to believe that mechanisms such as trial and error, which humans use 'all he time' and which have been observed in nature can actually be used by nature.

178 posted on 10/14/2006 8:26:00 PM PDT by b_sharp (evolution is not, generally speaking, a global optimiser, but a general satisficer -J. Wilkins)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd
"You do realize that ID accepts Evolution, ID states that evolution did indeed happen, but that some small microscopic creatures cannot be explained because of irreducible complexity."

No. Intelligent Design, God, does NOT accept evolution. I don't care what some compromised mortal has to say. Trying to redefine God into an evolutionist won't cut it here. Evolution did NOT happen. The evidence is all around you. I notice how you can't explain how the human eye "evolved". You can't. Explain how the eye "evolved".
LOL!

"You do realize this, do you not?"

I ASK YOU, why don't you realize that evolution could not have possible happened. It's sheer lunacy to suggest evolution is true.

"If not, perhaps you should unhitch your little creationist wagon from it."

Again, you come with the usual gibberish. You can't prove anything "evolved" You can't explain anything. As you stated with the COMPLEXITY involved with living creatures, human or otherwise, evolution falls short and highlights just how ridiculous it is.

BTW, whenever you find this ape that humans are supposed to be derived from, explain how the lungs, heart, brain, eye etc. were formed BEFORE this being took its first breath. You can't. Because NO LIFE "evolved".

YOU, are a WASTE of MY TIME.
179 posted on 10/14/2006 8:32:50 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

"The evolutionists are only here to throw sh*t on the Christians... that is their sole purpose...

Exactly!

The enemies of Christianity know that their pseudo science is bogus, fake, phony and fraudulent. They can fool some of the people some of the time, but they can't fool the vast majority of people.

The only reedeming feature about these neo anti-Christians is that there are so few of them and, hence, easily annihilable.

And the battle continues as it has for 2 thousands years.


180 posted on 10/14/2006 8:34:08 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
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