Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official

AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | October 14, 2006

[FreedomProtector]

...Peter's school of surf ...

Chuckle...

Perhaps worth one more chuckle....
Now lay me down to sleep,
to dream of skiing on bare-feet.
Faster than a shooting star,
I swing out on the footing bar.
Skimming across the glass I burn,
to execute a tumble turn.
Now on one foot, I fail to note,
the approaching wake of a fishing boat.
....
.... needs line here describing crash @ 38-40 mph...
....
With water spurting up my nose,
I remember how the story goes.
To barefoot is so very nice,
but all who try must pay the price.


I don't have a source, it was from memory...memorized from a similar poem published in water ski magazine a number of years ago....

[js1138]

The May 19 issue of Molecular Cell.

[antiRepublicrat]

Thanks for the picture! It brings back some great memories.

I've been there too. That's why I posted that pic. It's a beautiful place.

On probability, it's a bit more confusing than you may think. For example, are you stating the argument that us being here today is highly improbable?

[antiRepublicrat]

but he never disproves it or provides a mathematical proof that invalidates it

He admits that he is not a mathematician, as honest academics do. Sewell tried to apply his discipline to other disciplines.

I really dislike the 747/junkyard analogy or Sewell's computers/scrap metal analogy. The natural universe as it exists lends itself to the creation of certain forms through natural processes, some of which appear very ordered, such as snowflakes, spheres and cells, and some which don't, such as turbulence in fluid dynamics. But as it exists, it does not naturally result in 747s or computers. That might be so in some freaky alternate universe, but not this one. The analogies just fall apart.

[SoldierDad]

Great. Do you have a title, author, page number?

[js1138]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WSR-4K06CJR-6&_coverDate=05%2F19%2F2006&_alid=471771755&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_qd=1&_cdi=7053&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=0b1b8df0d42e0400eeb4554159a8dfff

[Marysecretary]

Dimensio, I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not. I'm not on my way out. I just don't recall details. By bye.

[jennyp]

I appreciate your efforts in adding material to the discussion. I will try to use last edition if I quote Colin Patterson from now on....

As long as you pledge to include this part of Patterson's quote:

In terms of mechanism, or causes of evolutionary change, the neutral theory of molecular evolution is a scientific theory; it can be put in law-like form: changes in DNA that are less likely to be subject to natural selection occur more rapidly. This law is tested every time homologous DNA sequences are compared, and explains observations (summarized in Chapters 9 and 10) that are otherwise inexplicable. But neutral theory assumes (or includes) truth of the general theory - common ancestry or Darwin's 'descent with modification' - and 'misprints' shared between species, like the psuedogenes or reversed Alu sequences are (to me) incontrovertible evidence of common descent. I see the general historical theory, common descent, as being as firmly established as just about anything else in history.

[VadeRetro]

Look out for the flying pigs placemarker.

[dread78645]

"Given sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. ..." placemark

[Revolting cat!]

1,051? Dude, this thread is ee-volving! Modern science at work!

[SoldierDad]

Thanks. I will look forward to researching this more in depth the next chance I have of obtaining the journal article. From the summary, though, I would suggests this is not really a measure of an organism's "evolution", but of it's short-term adaptability to a controlled change in it's environment. It will be interesting to read whether they demonstrated any long term changes, or if the organism reverted back after the environment equalized back to normal.

[flipper999]

Matthew 20:16
So the last will be first, and the first will be last.

But who will be the 999th?

[lizol]

This is my biggest thread so far, I think :-)))

[js1138]

What on earth do you think evolution is?

This is what evolution is. There is no other definition used by biologists.

[dread78645]

"Quote-mining the bible" placemark

[SoldierDad]

Oh, I see. Then it is not about one animal species morphing into some other previoulsy never existing animal species. It is just about an animal species making changes to the environment so that they can continue to live in that environment. Sort of like when a dog's coat changes when the season changes from either hot or cold. I get it now.

[Dimensio]

Dimensio, I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not.

If you are unwilling to give important and significant details regarding an alleged occurence, then why do you expect to have any credibility when making statements?

I'm not on my way out.

As I never suggested that you were "on your way out", this reply is a non-sequitur.

I just don't recall details

How is it that you are able to recall that an acquaintence of yours taught creationism in a public school, but you are unable to state whether he taught Norse creationism, Genesis creationism, Hindu creationism or the creation story of another religion? If you do not know what variant of creationism was taught, how do you know that creationism was taught at all?

[js1138]

Oh, I see. Then it is not about one animal species morphing into some other previoulsy never existing animal species. It is just about an animal species making changes to the environment so that they can continue to live in that environment.

Yes, it's about changes in the population over generations.

Sort of like when a dog's coat changes when the season changes from either hot or cold. I get it now.

No, it's not about that at all.

[RunningWolf]

If you cannot explain this, then your claim that chaos is a falsification criteria is a lie

That is false, your assertions unsubstantiated, your claims (whatever they may be dimesnio) are worthless.

For all that is demonstrated by you here in your post (and all that you ever demonstrate) is that you reject all explanations that do not conform to your core beliefs. The only place that extrapolates into a belief that Fester or anyone else you declare a liar (as you do on a regular basi) is is in that tight circular little mass of neurons and bio-chemical processes, and the very few who share the results of such a distorted and twisted belief-logic system.

In other words its all in your head.

W.