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Friendly advice to a pol/pal: Hang it up, Christy
The Boston Herald ^ | 10/15/2006 | Howie Carr

Posted on 10/15/2006 6:10:09 AM PDT by Panerai

Christy, it’s time to quit the governor’s race.

Let me be blunt: You are a straw for Deval Patrick. Of course you deny it, but there’s an old saying that the best straw is the one who doesn’t even know he’s a straw.

For anyone unfamiliar with the term, a straw is a candidate in a fight who drains off votes from the main challenger. Basically, a straw splits the anti-vote, so that even if a majority are against a particularly odious candidate, he still slides in. Christy is playing Ross Perot to Deval’s Clinton.

But this campaign is not a referendum on Christy Mihos. It’s about Deval Patrick. There is only one question in this fight.

Are you for Free ’Em All Deval, or are you against him?

Look, Christy, we all like you. You’re a good guy. I’ve had you on my show about a million times; we’ve been to each other’s houses; we’ve gone out to dinner together; one of my best friends is on your campaign payroll.

But the fact remains, your continuing presence in the race is only helping one person, and his name is not Joe Sixpack.

You’ve admitted that you would vote for Deval if you weren’t running. Before the primary, on NECN, Jim Braude asked you flat-out who you would pull the lever for if you couldn’t vote for yourself.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bostonherald.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christymihos; deval; healey; howiecarr
Howie Carr’s radio show is broadcast every weekday afternoon on WRKO AM 680, WCRN AM 830, WHYN AM 560, WGAN AM 560, WXTK 95.1 FM, WEIM AM 11280 and WTPL 107.7 FM. His radio show can also be heard online from 3 to 7 pm at www.howiecarr.com
1 posted on 10/15/2006 6:10:11 AM PDT by Panerai
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To: Panerai

Can you give party affiliations and a brief explanation for those of us lucky enough to to be from Mass.?


2 posted on 10/15/2006 6:14:19 AM PDT by Bluegrass Federalist
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To: FutureSenatorFromKentucky

Kerry Healey (RINO), Republican Nominee.

Deval Patrick, Democrat Nominee.

Christy Mihos, Liberal Independent Candidate (though takes votes from the Liberal Republican).


3 posted on 10/15/2006 6:24:18 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Panerai

I think Mihos knows what he's doing. Mass. has not had a Democrat as governor in 15 years. Mihos plans to change that.


4 posted on 10/15/2006 6:28:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Panerai

Why does anybody invite Mihos to the debates? That is the problem.


5 posted on 10/15/2006 6:33:19 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Panerai; UKRaddell
I see that Gary Studds(the congressman that put the S in sodomy)won't be coming down for breakfast.

Did anybody have him in the pool?

6 posted on 10/15/2006 6:37:46 AM PDT by Cheapskate ( Preserve your freedom! ! Slap down the NANNY STATE!)
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To: montag813

Patrick probably insists on it. And the four people invited to this year's debates is better than the five people, including crank candidate Barbara Johnson, who debated in 2002.


7 posted on 10/15/2006 6:41:27 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Panerai

>>Christy, my callers are starting to blame me for your campaign, saying I created you.

So Howie may be the Larry King ("c'mon Ross, you should run...") of Mihos? (And we remember what we got when Perot ran in '92).

BTW I think the "speaking truth to power" slogan is right out of JOHN KERRY's playbook


8 posted on 10/15/2006 6:55:13 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: fieldmarshaldj

>>Kerry Healey

her positions on gay marriage and abortion prob. give her the RINO label but I'd rather have her there to counterbalance
the Dems (or at least use a "bully pulpit" to go right to the people) than a Dem like Patrick. Better the devil you know
than the Deval you don't (or, actually we're starting to get to know Deval and we don't like what we see)

And as soon as we mention that Patrick does things like try to free a rapist (and several other criminals), the liberals
immediately play The Race Card: Oh! You're just saying this because he's black.

No way...if KMH were a black woman and DP a white man
I'd still go for KMH based on her positions. (Plus she..
lives down the street from me here in Beverly :) )


9 posted on 10/15/2006 6:58:21 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

speaking of the race card: If Patrick were a Republican he'd prob have libs throwing Oreo cookies at him. Just ask
Michael Steele of MD:

>>Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican. Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an "Uncle Tom" and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.
(Wash. Times 11/05)


10 posted on 10/15/2006 7:03:19 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
BTW I think the "speaking truth to power" slogan is right out of JOHN KERRY's playbook

Made me curious so I did a search and found ...

http://www2.gol.com/users/quakers/living_the_truth.htm

The phrase "speaking truth to power" goes back to 1955, when the American Friends Service Committee published Speak Truth to Power, a pamphlet ii at proposed a new approach to the Cold War. Its title, which came to Friend Milton Mayer toward the end of the week in summer 1954 when the composing committee finished work on the document, has become almost a cliche; it has become common far beyond Quaker circles, often used by people who have no idea of its origins. (One current example: Anita Hill entitled her memoir of her sensational charges of sexual harassment against Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas, Speaking Truth to Power.)
11 posted on 10/15/2006 7:08:58 AM PDT by posterchild (Ad astra per aspera)
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To: HostileTerritory

>>Barbara Johnson

Smoker-voiced ind. candidate who once said on WBZ "(Shannon)
O'Brien and (Mitt) Romney are nice people, but they both have their heads up their butts, excuse my French". Once, while on the old "VB's Pleasure Pit" show on WRKO, VB got her to say (at his urging) "Oh VB you're such a dillhole..."

She ran on a court reform platform among other things. Her website says, I kid you not, "BJ for Governor" at the top...
something that must have happened more than a few times
in Arkansas pre-1992... :)

http://www.barbforgovernor.com/barb/


12 posted on 10/15/2006 7:09:14 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

You know in porn "DP" stand for something else, but that's what is going to happend to those who live in MA if Deval is elected.


13 posted on 10/15/2006 7:09:37 AM PDT by Panerai
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To: posterchild

thought I heard (John) Kerry use it a few times in '04 and maybe even more recently (i have to differentiate here
between Lurch and Kerry Healey...)


14 posted on 10/15/2006 7:10:26 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: posterchild; raccoonradio

"speaking truth to power"

I think this is one of those nonsensical and meaningless phrases you hear from time to time. How many people actually USE this phrase when talking to somebody else ? What does it really even mean ? Of course, it's not nearly as silly as the phrase "special interests."


15 posted on 10/15/2006 7:13:44 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: raccoonradio

"And sometimes loving your country demands you must tell the truth to power. This is one of those times."
--John Kerry, 4/22/06

Mihos borrowing J F'n Kerry-used expression (though yes I guess it does go back awhile)


16 posted on 10/15/2006 7:14:02 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Panerai

Thanks Howie for sying what needed to be said in public!

I've been emailing Christy's campaign on a regular basis saying pretty much the same things.

We made this guy's fortune by buying his sodas, smokes and lottery tickets and overpaying for bread and milk, and in return, he's going to stab us in the back by knowingly sticking us with a guy who will destroy what little is left in this State.

What does Christy care? He sold the stores and is sitting on a mountain of cash. He'll be headed South along with all the other former MA residents who can afford to get out before the apocalypse.

The name "Christy" used to invoke thoughts of a successful entrepreneur and a guy who fought against the corrupt insanity of our State government. By the time this is all over, it will invoke thoughts of a guy who sold us down the river to satisfy his own need for revenge.


17 posted on 10/15/2006 7:14:58 AM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: raccoonradio

The real problem here is that Romney left the entire state in the lurch by his cutting and running from a 2nd term. Leaving the state to a hapless Lieutenant to carry the banner (when she herself couldn't even win a State Rep seat in your bailiwick of Beverly) is reprehensible. As awful as Jane Swift was, at least she could win her own legislative district in Western Mass.


18 posted on 10/15/2006 7:16:57 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
What does it really even mean ? "it doesn't mean anything, it's like 'rama lama ding dong' or 'give peace a chance.'" - Homer Simpson
19 posted on 10/15/2006 7:22:28 AM PDT by posterchild (Ad astra per aspera)
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To: posterchild

Of course, at least the latter phrase makes sense. Every mother tells their child to just give peas a chance. :-)


20 posted on 10/15/2006 7:40:13 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I agree--what Mitt prob. should have done was "train" her to take over, and then once she knew the ropes, resigned to
let her finish off his term. Then when the Big Dig disaster
happened, guess who's leading those press conferences explaining about the bolts, etc.? Mitt "His Hair Was
Perfect" Romney...and Kerry was just told to stand by
and look concerned.

Can Kerry Healey lead this state? I don't know if she's
hapless--she can be capable if properly trained for the job--
but what the heck is Deval Patrick? The "outsider" (no
govt. experience) who is really the ultimate insider
(here comes Billy Bulger! or at least he was seen
conferring with him...)

And yes, KMH couldn't beat Mike Cahill here in Beverly...
but I think she's grown in the job of Lt Gov. Have heard
her interviewed.


21 posted on 10/15/2006 10:47:48 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

...in other words, even if Mitt hasn't really "trained" her to take over, she still sounds a lot more capable than Patrick
would be!


22 posted on 10/15/2006 10:48:36 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

I have a question for you... since you're a MA resident. I'm sure you realize the state GOP there is practically moribund and horrifically statist. When is there going to be a full-fledged, full-frontal assault on reinvigorating the grass roots ? While the state is undeniably 'Rat, it isn't nearly as much as its representation makes it out to be. The GOP ought to hold anywhere from 1/3rd to 40% of the legislature and at the federal level, and it has been stuck at zero on the latter for 10 straight years and barely above 12% or so at the legislative level (and worse, yet, the legislators that ARE there are as leftist, if not more so, than some of their 'Rat counterparts).


23 posted on 10/15/2006 11:26:37 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

for awhile it looked promising when Weld won in '90 and there were as many as 3 Rep. Congressmen (Torkildsen, Blute, etc.;
or was there 2? I forget...)...Joe Malone in as Treasurer,
and there were more State Senators and Reps from the GOP.
There was talk of developing a farm team of promising young talent but it hasn't happened...Mitt worked, from what I've heard, to get some people to run for Rep./Senate seats on both local and national levels but nobody won....

And yes to get elected you do have to be more "moderate"..here.

Dems have a stranglehold on this state. With Patrick
in office the only benefit might be that it'll get so bad that there will be another "Revolution", or maybe not...


24 posted on 10/15/2006 3:02:03 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: ClearCase_guy

Surely Carr understands that Mihos' campaign is fully supported by the Democrats?
One way or the other, the rats will take care of Mihos (wink, nod) if Patrick wins.

Mihos ain't getting out.


25 posted on 10/15/2006 3:09:43 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: raccoonradio

No, it was 2 Congressmembers (it would've been 3 had the ultraliberal RINO Silvio Conte in the 1st not died in '91). There were 16 out of 40 Senators and 38 out of 160 Reps. As you well know, thanks to William Weld, the King of the RINO Governors, he completely eviscerated all of the gains by the time he left office, leaving even fewer members that were there under Dukakis. I do know Mitt tried just once, but gave up (and you can't "give up" on party building as a Governor, or you're simply a failure -- one reason I'll never vote for him for President).

The problem for the GOP there is precisely their ideological approach, and it has been a consistent loser. When you have a choice between liberal 'Rats and liberal Republicans, why do you need a Republican party ?


26 posted on 10/15/2006 4:14:30 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"I have a question for you... since you're a MA resident. I'm sure you realize the state GOP there is practically moribund and horrifically statist."

The sad thing is, while the state legislature is something like 88%D/12%R, the people themselves are more like 60%D/40%R.

27 posted on 10/16/2006 10:07:25 AM PDT by Disturbin (Get back to work -- millions of people on welfare are counting on you!)
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To: Lancey Howard
Surely Carr understands that Mihos' campaign is fully supported by the Democrats? One way or the other, the rats will take care of Mihos (wink, nod) if Patrick wins.

The debates are a joke. They trot out the 4th place candidate, a carpetmuncher from the "Green Rainbow" party who is right at home wearing a tinfoil hat, to make Patrick look like less of a moonbat. Then Christy is there to attack Healey, and Patrick keeps his mouth shut and walks away looking like a polished turd.

28 posted on 10/16/2006 10:10:39 AM PDT by Disturbin (Get back to work -- millions of people on welfare are counting on you!)
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To: Disturbin; raccoonradio; MassachusettsGOP; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; Torie

Yup, that's what I wrote in post #23.

The ratio for GOPers to Dems in MA have been ludicrously out of whack for several decades. Of course, going way, way back to 1867, the 'Rats held exactly 10 seats out of 240 in the House (this was before they cut the numbers by 1/3rd in 1978 to 160). It took from before the Civil War until 1949 for the 'Rats to finally win a majority, losing it again in 1953, and winning it back again in 1955 (and have never lost it since). From 1953 to 1963, the numbers for the GOP dropped from over 50% to less than 40%, and from 1963 to 1973, dropped to barely above 20%. From 1979 to 1991, we held a paltry 18-24%. Today we stand at only 1 seat above our lowest number of 20 (in 2002), which is 13% (as you can see, in only a decade, the percentage drop was nearly half).

On the Senate side, it was also GOP controlled from before the Civil War (in 1867, all 40 seats in the Senate were Republican) until 1959. In 22 years, from 1957 to 1979, the erosion was just as dramatic, dropping from 21 seats to 6. In the 1990 landslide, the GOP restored its numbers to what they were in 1959 (the last year it was remotely competitive for control of the body), which was 16 out of 40. In only 8 short years (1993-2001), the numbers plummetted from 16 back to 6, where it remains today (just 15%).

It is very conceivable the GOP could be completely shut out of the legislature as they are at the federal level within a decade, as the 'Rats were back in 1867, and become the first major state outside the South in the modern era to have a one-party legislature.


29 posted on 10/16/2006 11:26:12 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Disturbin; raccoonradio; MassachusettsGOP; Gay State Conservative; ...

Christy should drop out. What's important is that Kerry Healey is beginning to climb in the polls, due in part to Patrick's attempting to get early release for a rapist (shades of Willie Horton). She still trails by a large margin, but she's narrowed the gap by about 10 points.

Conservatives need to be aware not of Deval Patrick's inspiring background, but his specific proposals. If you look closely, you'll see that the Deval is in the details.


30 posted on 10/16/2006 1:55:41 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Nihilism is at the heart of Islamic culture)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Unless gerrymandering is ended, The Republicans will be shut out. The Democrat's supposed strength is mostly due to the redistricing plans that they passed in 1980, 1990, and 2000 (and which got progressively worse). Our Republican Governors vetoed the redistricting measure each time, but even then, the legislature overrode them. We need that Common Cause stuff here, but even then, the legislature would probably veto it. Massachusetts is in trouble.


31 posted on 10/16/2006 1:57:38 PM PDT by MassachusettsGOP (May the West and Republicans Always Win...)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Tell me about it!

Read this -- it proves his ideas for the economy are total socialist rubbish:

http://www.devalpatrick.com/issues_economy.cfm


32 posted on 10/16/2006 4:49:03 PM PDT by Disturbin (Get back to work -- millions of people on welfare are counting on you!)
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To: MassachusettsGOP

Doesn't Massachusetts have referrendums?


33 posted on 10/16/2006 5:01:41 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Nihilism is at the heart of Islamic culture)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yes, however in 2000, the Legislature voted down a binding resolution that passed with 56% of the vote over the issue of a tax cut.


34 posted on 10/16/2006 5:08:16 PM PDT by MassachusettsGOP (May the West and Republicans Always Win...)
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To: MassachusettsGOP; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

Of course, MA is the original home of the gerrymander. I'm not sure, however, even if some of that was undone, how much gains could truly be made. I don't think it would even be possible to gerrymander one House seat at the federal level for the GOP. As for legislatively-speaking, I can't imagine the gains would be all that much beyond where they are now. The preeminent problem remains an institutional one within the party, and until that is solved absent of the gerrymandering, the gains will be fleeting, indeed.


35 posted on 10/16/2006 5:52:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

It would be possible to draw 4 GOP-leaning seats out of the 9 that MA will have following the 2010 Census. By GOP-leaning I mean that President Bush would have gotten between 47%-50% in 2004, which is a higher percentage than that of Simmons's and Shays's CDs in CT and about the same as Bass's, Bradley's and Johnson's CDs in New England. But, of course, only a GOP-majority state legislature would draw such districts---even if a nonpartisan commission drew the maps, it would likely draw 8 or 9 RAT CDs out of the 9.


36 posted on 10/16/2006 6:04:07 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: MassachusettsGOP; fieldmarshaldj

In truth, the post-1990 Census map for MA was quite friendly to Republicans, which is why they were able to pick up 2 seats and could have picked up 2-4 others (the CD Meehan won in 1992 had actually voted for Bush in 1988). Weld threatened to veto the map if it didn't meet his specifications, and the RAT legislators were afraid that an impasse (I assume that the GOP had enough votes to stop an override in at least one house) would throw redistricting to the courts, who would likely draw a map that would fail to protect the 4 RAT members with seniority who lived within a few miles of each other (Moakley, Kennedy, Markey, and Frank). The prior year, Weld had similarly shown a partisan bent by scheduling the special election to replace Conte for after universities were on summer vacation in order to aid the GOP candidate, who happened to be a conservative who had lost to Weld in the primary (his last name was Pierce IIRC); the GOP candidate lost by only 53%-47% or so in a very liberal district. Now, we all know that Weld ended up being a worthless RINO who did not move a finger to build the state GOP, but it seems like he at least started off on the right foot before being led astray.


37 posted on 10/16/2006 6:13:52 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Yeah, I remember you mentioned that before. I would think those would be remarkably contorted designs to get that many seats out of MA (although the current districts are fairly contorted as it is, so maybe they wouldn't be). But as I said, even if we had a shot at drawing the lines, the farm team is so scarce, along with the moribund party apparatus, that such an opportunity would be inherently squandered. It really is remarkable that the GOP was truly staging a comeback in the state only 16 short years ago, but it's like it has been sucked into a black hole ever since.


38 posted on 10/16/2006 6:21:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I am not sure that it was the redistricting in 1990 that made Republicans so competitive in the 1990's.

The 3rd District consists of the Worcester area, one of the most Republican areas in the state (and which is home to nearly a majority of our Republican state Legislators). As a 16-year Incumbent, Joesph Early was getting old and tired, and was a prime target to an up and coming State Legislator, Peter Blute. Additionally, Pro-Life Dems have been kicked to the corner here in Massachusetts in the last 20 years, I think only one of our Congressmen is pro-Life today, despite the fact that 8 of them are Roman Catholic.

The fifth district, my own, is home to a large number of continuously discontented Independents, (sort of like New Hampshire) and in 1990 was home to Chester Atkins. In 1990 he gave Democrats a scare after he barely beat his unknown Republican Opponent (who did have Weld-coattails). He was promptly ousted by Marty Meehan in 1992 after Marty made a term limits pledge and secured his hometown, vote rich, Lowell. Marty then rolled former Congressman Paul Cronin (R) in the General Election.

The 6th district was won of course because Nicholas "Pockets" Mavroules while embrewed in a nasty scandal (that he later served time for) decided to still run for re-election. Peter Torkildsen took advantage of the opportunity and was elected easily.

Blute and Tork' were then assisted by the Republican Revolution of 1994, and then were promptly ousted in 1996, and our fortunes have never recovered. In fact, only the 6th, 9th and 10th Congressional seats have a Republican opponent this year (and weak ones at that).

Weld did however, do us a favor when Former House minority leader Steve Pierce challenged Olver in 1991 (funny because Pierce humiliated Weld in 1990 when he easily defeated him for the endorsement of State Convention for Governor). However Weld wasn't able to secure decent Senate districts in the 1990 redistricting. After we managed to win 16 Senate seats in the 1990 post-Dukakis election, we managed to lose 7 of them in 1992, and thus lose our veto-sustaining Legislative power.
39 posted on 10/16/2006 7:44:07 PM PDT by MassachusettsGOP (May the West and Republicans Always Win...)
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