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FBI director wants ISPs to track users
Cnet ^ | 10/17/2006 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 10/17/2006 10:08:05 PM PDT by Panerai

FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday called on Internet service providers to record their customers' online activities, a move that anticipates a fierce debate over privacy and law enforcement in Washington next year.

"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

"All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims," Mueller said. "We must find a balance between the legitimate need for privacy and law enforcement's clear need for access."

The speech to the law enforcement group, which approved a resolution on the topic earlier in the day, echoes other calls from Bush administration officials to force private firms to record information about customers. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, for instance, told Congress last month that "this is a national problem that requires federal legislation."

Justice Department officials admit privately that data retention legislation is controversial enough that there wasn't time to ease it through the U.S. Congress before politicians left to campaign for re-election. Instead, the idea is expected to surface in early 2007

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; dataretention; fbi; internet; isp; itsforyourowngood; ourdearleadersloveus; theywantitallfolks; theywilltakecareofus; weloveourdearleaders
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To: Panerai

http://tor.eff.org/


21 posted on 10/17/2006 10:48:15 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Sir Gawain

Terrorists plan terror in houses and apartments all over the U.S.. We need cameras in every private abode as:Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, for instance, told Congress last month that "this is a national problem that requires federal legislation."


22 posted on 10/17/2006 10:49:29 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: weegee
Hey look, the Internet is a wide open readable field of information.
What makes you think it all isn't gathered filtered and monitored down to every word?

I figure the only reason they are asking for the permission on the ISP thing is due to them having to eventually have a legal way to attach them to what they already know exists.

It's open public pathways and they are monitored.
23 posted on 10/17/2006 10:50:11 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: cynwoody

Sounds like TOR is a haven for perverts.


24 posted on 10/17/2006 10:51:38 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus
Terrorists plan terror in houses and apartments all over the U.S.. We need cameras in every private abode

Child molesters are everywhere, and they can look like anyone! Obviously, the only solution to this CLEAR and PRESENT problem is to incarcerate every American over the age of 17.

Please think of the children.

25 posted on 10/17/2006 10:52:33 PM PDT by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: A CA Guy

I figure there is at least one Fed in FR at all times.


26 posted on 10/17/2006 10:52:48 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Sir Gawain

do a ZABA search for alberto gonzales.

they are as thick as cucaraches


27 posted on 10/17/2006 10:53:24 PM PDT by shadowcat
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To: philetus

I think that there would be people reading this for good ideas connected to the Feds and I hope being a lot of people here are very smart, but IMO this forum is more likely to pray for America than prey upon it.

I think there are no worries no matter who looks here IMO.


28 posted on 10/17/2006 10:55:12 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Panerai

bump


29 posted on 10/17/2006 10:55:33 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: philetus

Why stop there, with today's technology, a listening chip could be installed in every American citizen, that could be activated that would "broadcast" every word spoken.

Of course, certain words could be set-up for "auto activation" such as anything against the government or officials.


30 posted on 10/17/2006 10:55:38 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: philetus
I figure there is at least one Fed in FR at all times.

Please remain in view.

31 posted on 10/17/2006 10:55:41 PM PDT by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: Wormwood

Child molesters are everywhere, and they can look like anyone! Obviously, the only solution to this CLEAR and PRESENT problem is to incarcerate every American over the age of 17."

You realize the wardens would be children?


32 posted on 10/17/2006 10:55:43 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus
You realize the wardens would be children?

Why do you hate America? /s

33 posted on 10/17/2006 10:57:07 PM PDT by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: A CA Guy
The big problem is not the known ISP address regarding the net IMO, but when a wireless laptop goes to some public or free business source and does bad things or communications on the net. That kind of stuff is much harder to trace.

Yes, well, then the feds will have to start having people register their net adapters. Every adapter has a unique MAC address hard coded into it, which is then associated with its assigned IP address.

CompUSA sales droid: Can I help you sir?

Customer: Yes, I'd like this ethernet adapter please.

CompUSA sales droid: Of course sir. If I could just have you fill out this "yellow sheet", we'll get you taken care of.

Yes, I know there is MAC spoofing, but if this crap is allowed to pass, then that will become a felony, even if used for private in-house puposes. And then there's IPv6, where we'll have enough address space to assign an IP address to to every electronic device produced for the next millenium. All registered with your friendly Big Brother.

And of course to follow up; the feds will require that any and all ISP/AP's be registered, and that all have back doors for the NSA supercomputers to download and parse their daily transaction logs.

Next we'll hear from the folks who'll insist that: "If you have nothing to hide, you don't have anything to worry about."

34 posted on 10/17/2006 10:57:46 PM PDT by AFreeBird (If American "cowboy diplomacy" did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.)
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To: AFreeBird
Next we'll hear from the folks who'll insist that: "If you have nothing to hide, you don't have anything to worry about."

I'm sure it will sound more pithy coming from Tony Snow.

35 posted on 10/17/2006 10:59:56 PM PDT by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: Wormwood

Why do you hate America? /s"

HUH?


36 posted on 10/17/2006 11:00:30 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus

Please have your sarcasm detector serviced. My irony emitter seems to be in working order.


37 posted on 10/17/2006 11:02:13 PM PDT by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: AFreeBird
You will always get around it.

Even lots of homes have open wireless and a bad guy can detect and use the net without entering your home.

I hear in parts of CA you can ride in your car up and down some major streets and maintain Internet contact.

In Fullerton and most libraries across the nation, there is free undetectable wireless Internet.

That is the biggest insecurity when dealing with bad guys IMO.
38 posted on 10/17/2006 11:03:50 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Starbucks all have free wireless.
Maybe Starbucks is a front.
Do FBI agents eat a better class of pastries?


39 posted on 10/17/2006 11:07:31 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus
Starbucks gives you time in exchange for money spent.

There are other places that do have open wireless.
Restaurants, libraries, cities, hotels and things we are not thinking of.

There are some websites where you can look up these spots.

Called hot spots I think.
40 posted on 10/17/2006 11:09:55 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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