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Is God dead? Atheism finds a market in U.S
Reuters ^ | 10/18/06 | Michael Conlon

Posted on 10/18/2006 5:25:05 PM PDT by wagglebee

CHICAGO (Reuters) - A fresh wave of atheistic books has hit the market this autumn, some climbing onto best-seller lists in what proponents see as a backlash against the way religion is entwined in politics.

"Religion is fragmenting the human community," said Sam Harris, author of "Letter to a Christian Nation," No. 11 on the New York Times nonfiction list on October 15.

There is a "huge visibility and political empowerment of religion. President George W. Bush uses his first veto to deny funding for stem cell research and scientists everywhere are horrified," he said in an interview.

Religious polarization is part of many world conflicts, he said, including those involving Israel and Iran, "but it's never discussed. I consider it the story of our time, what religion is doing to us. But there are very few people calling a spade a spade."

His "Letter," a blunt 96-page pocket-sized book condensing arguments against belief in quick-fire volleys, appeared on the Times list just ahead of "The God Delusion," by Richard Dawkins, a scientist at Oxford University and long-time atheist.

In addition, Harris' "The End of Faith," a 2004 work which prompted his "Letter" as a response to critics, is holding the No. 13 Times spot among nonfiction paperbacks.

Publishers Weekly said the business has seen "a striking number of impassioned critiques of religion -- any religion, but Christianity in particular," a probably inevitable development given "the super-soaking of American politics and culture with religion in recent years."

Paul Kurtz, founder of the Council for Secular Humanism and publisher of Free Inquiry magazine, said, "The American public is really disturbed about the role of religion in U.S. government policy, particularly with the Bush administration and the breakdown of church-state separation, and secondly with the conflict in the Mideast."

They are turning to free thought and secular humanism and publishers have recognized a taste for that, he added.

"I've published 45 books, many critical of religion," Kurtz said. "I think in America we have this notion of tolerance ... it was considered bad taste to criticize religion. But I think now there are profound questions about age-old hatreds."

The Rev. James Halstead, chairman of the Department of Religious Studies at Chicago's DePaul University, says the phenomenon is really "a ripple caused by the book publishing industry."

"These books cause no new thought or moral commitment. The arguments are centuries old," he told Reuters. Some believers, he added, "are no better. Their conception of God, the Divine-Human-World relationship are much too simplistic and materialistic."

Too often, he said, the concept "God" is misused "to legitimate the self and to beat up other people ... to rehash that same old theistic and atheistic arguments is a waste of time, energy and paper."

Dr. Timothy Larsen, professor of theology at Wheaton College in Illinois, says any growth in interest in atheism is a reflection of the strength of religion -- the former being a parasite that feeds off the latter.

That happened late in the 19th century America when an era of intense religious conviction gave rise to voices like famed agnostic Robert Ingersoll, he said.

For Christianity, he said, "It's very important for people of faith to realize how unsettling and threatening their posture and rhetoric and practice can feel to others. So it's an opportunity for the church to look at itself and say 'we have done things ... that make other people uncomfortable.' It is an opportunity for dialogue."

Larsen, author of the soon-to-be-published "Crisis of Doubt," added that in some sense atheism is "a disappointment with God and with the church. Some of these are people we wounded that we should be handling pastorally rather than with aggressive knockdown debate."

These are also probably some of the same people Harris says he's hearing from after his two books.

"Many, many readers feel utterly isolated in their communities," he said. "They are surrounded by cult members, from their point of view, and are unable to disclose their feelings."

"I get a lot of e-mail just expressing incredible relief that they are not alone ... relieved that I'm writing something that couldn't be said," Harris added.


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To: hripka
That there is order in the universe is a fact so basic, and the idea of 'random self-organization' is so flawed, there HAS to be an intelligence behind all of it.

You are appealing to a logical fallacy.
441 posted on 10/21/2006 9:58:14 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Just mythoughts
These are THE GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND OF THE EARTH when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

Simple English.

"These are..." pertains to what FOLLOWS; not was has supposedly gone on before.

442 posted on 10/21/2006 12:00:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: tacticalogic
If a person truly sees "no value in their soul" they would have absolutely no religious beliefs, and probably no conscience.

Maybe; but you can look around you and find many that value not their status as Americas; specifically USA citizens.

443 posted on 10/21/2006 12:01:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
No Elsie it is describing the previous sixth day creation of man in flesh in Genesis 1. Else you believe in evolution on a fast pace scale. DNA which is not altered or falsified agrees with Genesis account.
444 posted on 10/21/2006 12:05:36 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Elsie
Maybe; but you can look around you and find many that value not their status as Americas; specifically USA citizens.

I can indeed, but I don't see that as being the same as "seeing no value in their soul".

I've seen several instances right here on FR of people who seem to value their souls, and their place in the Kingdom of God. At the same time they maintain that the USA has become corrupt and has fallen from Grace and they feel no sense of the responsibility of citizenship because of it.

445 posted on 10/21/2006 12:30:45 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Elsie
Buddha never claimed to be able to forgive sins, so Joe is still stuck with that little problem.

But Christians are still stuck with the problem of not being able to follow the path to enlightenment.

446 posted on 10/21/2006 1:44:13 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: hripka
"Once man's connection to the divine is denied, you can reason yourself from here to anywhere." from Ann Coulter, "Godless", pg. 277.

Ann is simply wrong-headed. Once man's connection to reality is denied, you can reason yourself to anywhere.

Whether that "divine" is part of reality or merely the fantasy result of falling into the trap of reification/anthropomorphism, is a whole separate issue. It is not fundamental to morality.

447 posted on 10/21/2006 3:59:14 PM PDT by jennyp (There's ALWAYS time for jibber jabber!)
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To: Junior
So you're saying the treaty lied and yet Congress ratified it and the president signed it?

like this has never HAPPENED before? (or since?)

448 posted on 10/22/2006 5:06:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Junior
So you're saying the treaty lied and yet Congress ratified it and the president signed it?

like this one treaty somehow trumps ALL the documents written that founded this Nation?

449 posted on 10/22/2006 5:07:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Perhaps it's just one of those common-sense things, that lots of people have stumbled upon over the years ;)

Uh, I read the he died...

Perhaps it's a faint echo of God that created the whole mess, long ago.

450 posted on 10/22/2006 5:09:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: tacticalogic

Perhaps I've tarred too many with my broad brush.


451 posted on 10/22/2006 5:10:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: antiRepublicrat
But Christians are still stuck with the problem of not being able to follow the path to enlightenment.

You are SO right!

We want to be on the NARROW 'path', NOW that big, wide one!

452 posted on 10/22/2006 5:11:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
NOW NOT
453 posted on 10/22/2006 5:12:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

[Speel check is about useless!]


454 posted on 10/22/2006 5:13:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

The Constitution is the founding document of this nation. The Declaration of Independence simply broke the colonies away from England. Please point out where, in the Constitution it says we are a Christian nation. For that matter, please point out in the DoI where it says we are a Christian nation.


455 posted on 10/22/2006 6:20:35 AM PDT by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: Elsie

Perhaps. I'm seeing a little more enthusiasm for mixing theology and politics than I think is wise. Hyperbole is the stuff of political debates. When the language and tactics of politics find it's way into theology it is corrosive. I think the original idea of "separation of church and state" was more for the protection of religion from government and politics. That line is not absolute by any means, but I think in needs to be crossed with some trepidation.


456 posted on 10/22/2006 7:10:00 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Junior

Do I have too?


457 posted on 10/22/2006 7:09:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Junior
 

To: JHBowden
I think that you are missing the depth of Christian beliefs that were present/needed at our founding.

There is some quote by (one of the Adams?) stating that our form of government is only meant for a Christian, moral people. (I probably mangled this, but its close).

We are living on a reservoir of Christian faith that founded this great nation. Sadly, that reservoir is declining, hopefully it can be turned around.

398 posted on 10/20/2006 11:37:45 PM CDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)

 
 
Shouldn't you be having this conversation  with hripka?
 
 
It was this that got you started posting a doocument from the US Government, that you think makes us NOT a 'Christian' nation.
 
 
BTW, #398 never CLAIMED that we are a 'Christian' Nation, merely that Christian BELIEFS and a Christian MAJORITY. and Christian FAITH were a driving
 (but now declining) force with which to be reckoned.

458 posted on 10/22/2006 7:16:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Junior
Why on earth would there even be a question about this government way back in 1796 being 'Christian'? There had to be a concern for it to be required writing in a treaty that the 'government' was not a Christian government.

So obviously since a diplomat wrote the language and he was the one who was dealing with the 'Mussulmen' knew they would not sign a treaty without the explicit words that the US government was not pushing Christianity on the Mussulmen.

England on the other hand was a monarchy and the monarch's duty was and is protector of the Faith. US was/is NOT a monarchy. That is NOT disputing that fact that the Constitution is very Biblical, especially that part where rights endowed by the Creator no man/government can take.

Those words set this nation apart from all other nations, which is what liberalism seeks to replace themselves as giver and taker of 'rights'.
459 posted on 10/23/2006 12:13:28 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
So you're saying, just like Elsie, that no matter what the official word was, and not matter the lack of evidence to the contrary, the treaty was actually a lie to appease the Moslems.

Dream on, little man.

460 posted on 10/23/2006 6:34:29 AM PDT by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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