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Eastwood keeps it a little too real in ‘Flags’
Boston Herald ^ | 10/19/06

Posted on 10/19/2006 8:30:57 AM PDT by Valin

It is Clint Eastwood’s “Dirty Harry”-esque directing approach - not the star-studded cast - that “Flags of Our Fathers” actor Barry Pepper credits for the oh-so-real on-screen re-enactment of World War II’s bloody Battle of Iwo Jima.

“Eastwood didn’t rehearse anything,” Sgt. Michael Strank’s alter-ego told the Track. “So we didn’t know when these massive explosions were going to be sending a ton of sand in the air or where the weapons were going to be fired.”

Battered from a blast, the startled stars would voice their surprise to Eastwood after a take. But Pepper said the Oscar winner would “just smile and say, ‘Well your look was accordingly perfect.’ ”

“That was exactly what he had in mind to get these incredibly accurate emotions of these young, 18- or 19-year-old kids scared and out of their element,” said Pepper, who also appeared in “Saving Private Ryan.”

And if an actor sustained an injury during a scene, Pepper said you had to bite the bullet and get stitched up later.

“He doesn’t wait for anybody to have their actor weeny moment,” the war movie veteran laughed. “He just expects that you are a mature actor and you can get through the film. If you don’t, then you are just left in the dust because he can pretty much take you or leave you. He’ll shoot the movie without you!”

Pepper witnessed Eastwood’s tough love first-hand when a “squib-hit” blew up in his face, bloodying his lip.

“A medic came up to me after the shot and told me I had to go to the hospital,” he recalled. “But I went up to Eastwood and said, ‘I’m not leaving because I know you - and you’ll shoot the day without me! I won’t be in the movie!’ He laughed and said, ‘Good, because it’s a long way from your heart.’ ”

Then the 76-year-old icon reached over and plucked a 1-inch copper wire that had piercedPepper’s lip adding, “But, you might want to take this out first.”

Yikes! Was Eastwood channeling Gen. Patton???

“Flags of Our Fathers” tells the story of the six men who raised the second flag during the Battle of Iwo Jima. Ryan Phillippe, Jesse Bradford and Adam Beach portray the three survivors who are shipped back home and whisked off on a propaganda tour to raise money for the war effort.

“Flags of Our Fathers” opens in theaters tomorrow.


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To: OKSooner
The Battle of the Bulge, for example...

Waidaminnud...you mean Henry Fonda didn't personally stop the Wehrmacht with a buch of gasoline cans? Who knew?

51 posted on 10/19/2006 9:44:23 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Or Quint from Jaws didn't lead the assault?


52 posted on 10/19/2006 9:45:13 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Locomotive Breath

There's 'Helmet for my Pillow', by Robert Leckie.


53 posted on 10/19/2006 9:53:31 AM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: Cecily

...The Marines are lookin' for a few good men......Unfortunately, you ain't it


54 posted on 10/19/2006 9:53:55 AM PDT by Lekker 1 (("...the world will be...eleven degrees colder by the year 2000" -- K. Watt, Earth Day, 1970)
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To: ErnBatavia

He played Roger Maris in Billy Crystal's "61*". Did a hell of a job! {So did Tom Jayne who played the Mick. And had to learn how to swing a bat -righty and lefty].


55 posted on 10/19/2006 9:54:20 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Supposedly from the Japanese soldier perspective.

In war -- Eastwood offers us a timely reminder -- who is just and unjust depends on where you're watching from. And to further the point, his next movie, Letters From Iwo Jima, tells the story from the perspective of the Japanese.

I got it from this review (Flags of Our Fathers-Print the Legend-Eastwood strips away myths surrounding Greatest Generation). I'm skeptical of this project and think a lot of the pitch about it is a lie.

I am not old enough to have seen this photo's effect on the war, morale, and everything else firsthand. But I have seen the original contact print of the image (made on the ship, before Joe Rosenthal had even seen it, someone else developed the roll, had the image passed by the censor, and mailed it home) About 2" square. I've also seen a print Joe Rosenthal made large enough to fill a wall.

It is a powerful image. But it does not say "mission accomplished, the war is over". It does not say "these 6 guys were the only ones who fought the battle". It does not say "this image isn't real because this is not the first flag". These are the criticisms from the left and in the ad campaign.

It shows American troops pulling together. It shows our flag, our standard, rising. It is a sign of victory. Victory that comes with a price, a toll taken on our soldiers (those who died AND those who survived). It was not a staged image (Joe erred when he said "yes" in an early interview, he was referring to a separate image of the men posing in front of the flag).

I could handle a film about Iwo Jima, I don't like the PR that this photo was false, that the men were exploited, and that pro-America propaganda is bad.

We are told that the photo doesn't tell the real story. Compare the photos leaked from Abu Ghraib with the photo of the men who as political prisoners under Saddam had their hands amputated at Abu Ghraib but under American liberation, had prosthetics attached, and they shook hands with President Bush. Torture means something. Something the "blame America first" media tries to distort.

If the Japanese were justified, then WWII was a lie. I do not accept that premise. History is written by the victors and there are countless documented attrocites committed by the Japanese (medical experiments that rivaled the Nazis, enslaved Korean comfort women who were repeatedly raped, tortured POW...).

56 posted on 10/19/2006 10:03:58 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: real saxophonist
Thank's for the tip. I've not read that - looks like a good'un. One more added to the reading list.

But I really meant movies. "Diary" was both, of course.
57 posted on 10/19/2006 10:03:59 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Lekker 1

That movie is hilarious. Clint vs. Mario van Peebles, the chain of command, et al.


58 posted on 10/19/2006 10:05:42 AM PDT by Cecily (`)
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To: tx_eggman

...Die for Allah. Die for the Reich... it's all the same thing.

But we have learned that such a dedicated mindset does not require the erradication of all who ONCE held those views.

I have hope for the world and do believe peace is possible.


59 posted on 10/19/2006 10:07:13 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Valin

Good thing Eastwood didn't do that to terrorists.

He'd be in jail.


60 posted on 10/19/2006 10:10:12 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 50sDad

Try Call of Duty 2. Much better game IMHO


61 posted on 10/19/2006 10:11:50 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: weegee

Our media today attempts to enforce on our minds symbols of the nadir of military performance while in WWII the media attempted to enforce on our minds symbols of the apex of military performance.

I saw Richard Roeper's review of the movie over the weekend (Ebert was out sick - I forget who was subbing). Roeper liked it because it showed how we were all deceived by the military/media in WWII or words to that effect.


62 posted on 10/19/2006 10:12:42 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: brazzaville

If you play Call of Duty, Americas Army or Battlefield, try http://www.menofgod.us servers. The IP's are on the site.


63 posted on 10/19/2006 10:16:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: dfwgator

Fantastic mini-series. Have seen in about 4 times. Dye also put the men through the paces for the movie "The Greatest Raid."


64 posted on 10/19/2006 10:17:31 AM PDT by carton253 (Sadness is just another word for not enough chocolate.)
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To: weegee
I have hope for the world and do believe peace is possible.

It does, however, mean breaking their will by crushing either their god (the Emperor and his Army) or their national pride (Germany)

65 posted on 10/19/2006 10:22:13 AM PDT by tx_eggman (The people who work for me wear the dog collars. It's good to be king. - ccmay)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Clint Eastwood has hemmed and hawed and said that the film can be taken "either way".

Sounds like a slimy answer and gives too much ammo to the agitprop anti-military, anti-American Left.

I'm sitting this one out until home video or a theatrical revival (say at a university or museum).


66 posted on 10/19/2006 10:24:31 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Valin; Protagoras

Please see #38.


67 posted on 10/19/2006 10:24:31 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: r9etb
"Hey, ya pansy! Can't take a little napalm burn? Sheesh! Get back in the cave!"

"OK, gaffer, get over there and keep rolling Ben Affleck on the ground until he goes out."

68 posted on 10/19/2006 10:24:34 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: tx_eggman

Yep.

Unfortunately too many in America stoke the fires of "the insurgency" and march with banners that publicly declare "I support the insurgency in Iraq".

Cut and run is the DNC motto.


69 posted on 10/19/2006 10:25:32 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: OKSooner

But there was one episode devoted to Bastogne - told from the medic's point of view.


70 posted on 10/19/2006 10:26:33 AM PDT by carton253 (Sadness is just another word for not enough chocolate.)
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To: weegee
Clint Eastwood's next film is supposed to be Iwo Jima from the Japanese perspective. Think he'll be taking the same risks?
He filmed both at the same time
71 posted on 10/19/2006 10:27:16 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Billthedrill

I DIDN'T SAY THAT!


72 posted on 10/19/2006 10:27:27 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: carton253

Well, that's my point. Bastogne wasn't the entire Bulge, and the 101st, heroes that they were, weren't the only guys who were there.


73 posted on 10/19/2006 10:31:37 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

I know that...I was just adding to the conversation and not contradicting you.


74 posted on 10/19/2006 10:33:59 AM PDT by carton253 (Sadness is just another word for not enough chocolate.)
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To: carton253
Sorry. Now that you mention it I can see that you weren't looking for an argument. Maybe I was, and I offer my apologies.

(Maybe I'm just getting defensive in advance; argumentative people are coming to town at the end of the month.)

Thanks for the reply.

75 posted on 10/19/2006 10:41:58 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

I have an uncle who was in the 101st and was sent to Bastogne. My aunt said he refused to talk about it. The only story she ever got out of him was that as he came over a hill with a five man squad, a burst of machine gun fire killed the other four and missed him.


76 posted on 10/19/2006 10:43:31 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: weegee

Also, as an acting teacher, I disagree with this method because the actor responds to the terror as himself NOT as his character, which might be a completely different type of reaction. Shirley MacLaine once complained about this when Anne Bancroft unexpectedly threw a drink in her face in "The Turning Point."


77 posted on 10/19/2006 10:47:50 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Locomotive Breath; rlmorel

Guadalcanal alone was more of a war than a battle.

I don't see how it could be done in four hours. The naval portion alone comprised at least four major battles - Savo Island, Santa Cruz, Eastern Solomons and Guadalcanal (which was a three-day slugfest). The land and land-based air fight were also unbelievably tense for so many months.

One looks to Iraq today and realizes just how small in scope that effort is compared to WWII. The Brits were able to pacify Iraq, Syria and Iran (the last w/ Soviet help) as almost an afterthought to their main efforts. Just looking at the Pacific War and what we accomplished in less than four years -- remarkable. The logistics alone boggle the mind.


78 posted on 10/19/2006 10:49:18 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: OKSooner
In-Laws?

Kol Beseder!

It's okay...

79 posted on 10/19/2006 10:49:48 AM PDT by carton253 (Sadness is just another word for not enough chocolate.)
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To: Valin

"whisked off on a propaganda tour to raise money for the war effort"

Think I'll pass.


80 posted on 10/19/2006 10:52:06 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: weegee
The flag raising in the Rosenthal photo was, in a sense, staged. A different flag [smaller] had been raised earlier by a different group of Marines after Suribachi had been taken. But the group immortalized in the photo was sent by higher HQ with a larger flag [to be seen from the beach]and Rosenthal went along [as did a movie camera man] as well.
81 posted on 10/19/2006 10:52:19 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: dfwgator

Band of Brothers is probably as good as you're going to get.




You could be right, but I could not get through the first thirty minutes because that stupid "Friends" guy - David Schwimmer is in it and I can't stand that winny sissy. I loved Friends, but mostly because of the others who were on it.


82 posted on 10/19/2006 10:53:15 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Locomotive Breath

I had a cousin that was killed during the airdrop. He was shot repeatedly while coming down in his parachute.


83 posted on 10/19/2006 10:59:34 AM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: carton253

I DIDN'T SAY THAT EITHER!


84 posted on 10/19/2006 11:06:27 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: weegee

If you look at the trailers you'll see they share footage. Also note the voice of a Saving Private Ryan character and actors from Band of Brothers.
http://wwws.warnerbros.co.jp/iwojima-movies/trailer/flags_small.html

Red Sun Black Sand.
"http://youtube.com/watch?v=uYv1iTrBDxU


85 posted on 10/19/2006 11:08:18 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: You Dirty Rats

Agree to all you say. They could at least do Bloody Ridge. Or they could do this story...

http://www.medalofhonor.com/JohnBasilone.htm

After all that note where he was killed - Iwo.


86 posted on 10/19/2006 11:11:34 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: OKSooner

Sorry...automatic assumption. LOL!


87 posted on 10/19/2006 11:11:40 AM PDT by carton253 (Sadness is just another word for not enough chocolate.)
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To: anyone
Okay, what does this mean?

I’m not leaving because I know you - and you’ll shoot the day without me! I won’t be in the movie! He laughed and said, ‘Good, because it’s a long way from your heart.

88 posted on 10/19/2006 11:12:14 AM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: GretchenM

Did a double take on that one too. He means that being shot through the lip is less damaging than being shot through the heart.


89 posted on 10/19/2006 11:13:26 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: napscoordinator
You could be right, but I could not get through the first thirty minutes because that stupid "Friends" guy - David Schwimmer is in it and I can't stand that winny sissy

If you read Ambrose's book, you'd realize that Schwimmer was perfectly cast as Sobel.

90 posted on 10/19/2006 11:16:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Locomotive Breath
I found this in a review at IMDB. They wimped out.

Stephen Spielberg and Clint Eastwood obviously had to tap dance around an "Elephant in the Room" when it came to showing what happened to John Bradley's friend on Iwo Jima. If you've read the book, you know what happened. The movie does a masterful job of bringing the subject up, but not bringing it up in a manner that would offend the squeamish, or, for that matter, bringing it up in a way that would make it impossible to show the movie to a Japanese audience.
91 posted on 10/19/2006 11:24:25 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Nick Berg's head just sort of "fell off" too!


92 posted on 10/19/2006 11:26:39 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Valin
KEWL. Clint Eastwood treats actors less humanely than the federal government treats enemy combatants in Guantanamo and Abu Ghirab.

Hollywood can the left can stick that in their pipes and smoke it.

93 posted on 10/19/2006 11:28:39 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: OKSooner
Seriesly? I was hoping for something from the European Theater that no one's done an historically accurate movie about...

I'd like to see some more on World War I but from the perspective of the ground troops. Like Flyboys but how about with early model tanks?

94 posted on 10/19/2006 11:31:00 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: carton253
But there was one episode devoted to Bastogne - told from the medic's point of view.

That episode had the best line, "How do I feel about being rescued by Patton? I'd feel real peachy about it, except for one thing. We didn't need to be f'ing rescued by Patton, you got that!"

95 posted on 10/19/2006 11:33:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: rlmorel

I would think Tarawa would of made a great movie, everyone knows about Iwo Jima.

Once in a while on the Military Channel they talk about some action that has happen in Iraq or Afganistan. Shame that Hollywood will ignore the heroics happening today over there.


96 posted on 10/19/2006 11:41:47 AM PDT by Swiss
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To: dfwgator

I liked that line too...After Dick Winters saw the mini-series, he took Hanks and Spielberg to task over the excessive language. He was it was unnecessary and they didn't talk like that.


97 posted on 10/19/2006 11:43:21 AM PDT by carton253 (Sadness is just another word for not enough chocolate.)
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To: Valin

Looks like Barry Pepper has managed to expunge Battlefield Earth from his past. Good for him.


98 posted on 10/19/2006 11:54:32 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: carton253
. He was it was unnecessary and they didn't talk like that.

I'm sure "Wild Bill" Guarnere never swore over in Europe, LOL!

99 posted on 10/19/2006 11:56:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: weegee

that film is already done...the Trailer is better.


100 posted on 10/19/2006 11:56:45 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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