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Costco bans guns
Keepandbear arms.com ^ | ? | Mark A. Taff

Posted on 10/22/2006 5:25:01 AM PDT by sig226

Costco Bans Guns Fellow newslinks editor Bruce Kraft learned the hard way about Costco's gun ban. Below is his story.

Mark A. Taff

. . . We arrived at the registers, and got rung out. I paid, and as we are getting ready to head out, Brian came up and said that "for the comfort and safety" of their employees and guests, he asked that I leave my gun outside.

I said "No problem, sorry if I caused any fuss." I then asked if this was the policy of the Eden Prairie store, or a company-wide policy. He said it was company policy. I asked if I could get some sort of written statement or copy of the policy, because there were 35,000 permit holders in the state of Minnesota alone who were going to want to know about it.

Oh, and since they didn't want me in their store could they please return my groceries. Brian said "Oh, no, your perfectly welcome to shop here, we just" at which point I cut him off saying "You just asked me to leave, so obviously I am *not* welcome here, and neither is my money." (I have played out scenarios like this in my mind for several years, it was gratifying that he kept giving me all the right straight lines).

(snip)

Bruce continues:

"BTW, their letter is misleading, I never raised the issue of civil rights, because I firmly believe that companies have every right to ban whomever they please, I just think it is not fair for them to hide the fact."

You can read a pdf of the letter Costco sent to Bruce.

Call Costco at 1-800-774-2678 and give them your feedback on their gun ban policy.

(Excerpt) Read more at keepandbeararms.com ...


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To: Non-Sequitur
How did they know he was armed? Obviously it wasn't that concealed.

I think the greeter said something to the effect, "Is that a pistol in your pants or are you just happy to be at Costco..."

51 posted on 10/22/2006 6:23:06 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: driftdiver
"Actually its Costco's [loss]. Costco is there to sell their products to people like him and me."

Not really, Costco is there to make money selling products. If they don't have customers, they don't make any money. Besides, Sam's Club is cheaper.

52 posted on 10/22/2006 6:23:19 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: Air Force Brat
Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?

Why don't you explain why you put a seatbelt on when you get in your car?

53 posted on 10/22/2006 6:24:18 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: sig226

The major driver of this attitude with most large corporations is often some east coast lawyer who is afraid that they will be subject to a lawsuit if they fail to take a public stand that prohibits firearms.

What is needed is first a law from "shall issue" states that clearly places the liability on the store if they ban firearms and a person was attacked at the store, could have protected themselves with their firearm.

Until such a law is passed and tested by the courts, establishing clear liability on the company's part, we will continue to see this kind of reaction.


54 posted on 10/22/2006 6:24:56 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Air Force Brat
Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?

Why would anyone feel the need to carry anywhere?

I carry at all times up to and including at church. This is what a practical person does. Because if I need a gun I will need it "RIGHT NOW!"

55 posted on 10/22/2006 6:26:10 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (De inimico non loquaris sed cogites)
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To: Air Force Brat
Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?

Why would a women ever carry mace in her purse? Can you imagine asking every woman to empty her purse of mace, keychain spikes etc.? People who carry weapons, of any kind, do so for good reasons - but many in this country only want to focus on "guns".
56 posted on 10/22/2006 6:27:04 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: svxdave
If Mr. Gun Toter can't shop at Costco now, it is his loss, not Costco's

Hmm. Costco's customer base - "Mr. Gun Toter" = one less Costco customer in Costco's customer base.

No, I do believe your math is faulty. The loss is indeed Costco's.

The math gets worse for Costco. This thread will almost certainly result in the loss of more customers and make other potential customers to decide Costco just isn't the slice of left wing mercantalism they're looking for.

57 posted on 10/22/2006 6:27:17 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Air Force Brat
Well, I suppose so, but statistically the chances of that are so small it seems ridiculous to me.

Just curious......do you have a fire exstinquisher or smoke detector in your home? Even thought statistically the chancees of a fire are so small.

58 posted on 10/22/2006 6:28:49 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: JNL
Don't see how this is any different

Wow. Just wow. Please think before you post next time.

59 posted on 10/22/2006 6:30:38 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: JCEccles
The math gets worse for Costco. This thread will almost certainly result in the loss of more customers and make other potential customers to decide Costco just isn't the slice of left wing mercantalism they're looking for.

It certainly does. Here in North Carolina, when the first CC law was enacted, the stores went nuts like Cosco. Over time they figured out that they lost business over their silly "no guns" signs. Here in NC, the signs have all but disappeared - and the law says, no sign, no protest of weapons. I personally will not enter a store that has a "no guns" sign on it, even if I am not carrying. They have done me the courtesy of telling me upfront their politics and their stupidity, so I honor that with business elsewhere.
60 posted on 10/22/2006 6:31:27 AM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Our least favorite liberal parrot flaps in from DU to leave more droppings on the floor. Shoo, parrot.


61 posted on 10/22/2006 6:31:30 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
Our least favorite liberal parrot flaps in from DU to leave more droppings on the floor. Shoo, parrot.

Then who would raise your blood pressure and aggravate your ulcer? Besides I like it here.

62 posted on 10/22/2006 6:33:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: EGPWS

She's a government bow-wow for the MN Department of Labor. Next question ?


63 posted on 10/22/2006 6:34:24 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

I did think it through and I respect the fact that Costco is a private business that can do make whatever policies they want.

This is not a rights issue, this is some guy whinging about a stores policy. Call a whambulance.


64 posted on 10/22/2006 6:34:52 AM PDT by JNL
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To: JNL
This is not a rights issue, this is some guy whinging about a stores policy.

You're absolutely right.

65 posted on 10/22/2006 6:36:30 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: safisoft
Costco funds all manner of far left barking moonbat causes. They are the George Soros of the discount sales outlets. I've been aware of their game for a few years and would never consider buying a membership.

Threads such as this one serve to inform others of what Costco is all about--and it isn't just Costco's liberal hatred for and fear of the Second Amendment.

66 posted on 10/22/2006 6:37:09 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Air Force Brat

Crime happens everywhere


67 posted on 10/22/2006 6:40:07 AM PDT by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
She's a government bow-wow for the MN Department of Labor.

Obviously a highly intellectual and motivated person to be able to latch onto a job at MDOL./snicker

68 posted on 10/22/2006 6:40:19 AM PDT by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: Air Force Brat
Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?

Uh, maybe the same reason a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, TX? Or maybe the MacDonalds in San Ysidro, CA?

69 posted on 10/22/2006 6:42:16 AM PDT by weaponeer
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To: ezoeni
I like shopping at Costco and they dont know I have a gun when I go there :o)

If you have a permit, there is nothing they can do about it anyway. If it is kept concealed, they never need to know...

I can go anywhere with a concealed weapon and if nobody sees it, they don't need to know.

70 posted on 10/22/2006 6:42:49 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Puppage
Acautlly, this is about Costco and its aggressive suppport of and sympathy for far left causes.

The concealed carry incident is a merely a symptom of an underlying liberal disease.

71 posted on 10/22/2006 6:43:48 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: harpu

I shop at the Corporate head quarters branch and they have no sign that I’m aware of. I really don’t care if they did.


72 posted on 10/22/2006 6:45:19 AM PDT by ezoeni
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To: Mr Rogers

If you are carrying a CONCEALED weapon, who is going to know? The silly sign means nothing...


73 posted on 10/22/2006 6:45:37 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: ezoeni

Some states do not have the sign option. They probably ban guns in the states they are allowed to.


74 posted on 10/22/2006 6:46:45 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: sig226

name a business that DOES allow firearms on its premises.

what kind of a nut walks into a public place carrying a loaded weapon?


75 posted on 10/22/2006 6:47:02 AM PDT by motife
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To: Rome2000

How did they know he was armed?

It was cool outside, so I was wearing a heavy flannel shirt over my polo shirt and shoulder holster. I was carrying my usual Para-Ordnance P-14, with a stainless finish. As we came in I flashed the membership card to the greeter, and paused to take off my flannel shirt.

This is in the first paragraph of the article. I don't think it's a Concealed Carry issue, but more of an open carry issue. If he would have left his flannel shirt on, his weapon would have been concealed, and most likely not have upset other customers.

76 posted on 10/22/2006 6:48:12 AM PDT by Sarajevo
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To: JNL
Indeed. Much the same as the common sign "No shoes, no shirt, no service."

Most Freepers laud the military's ban on gays, but bemoan Costco for making a decision to ban firearms on their premises?

77 posted on 10/22/2006 6:49:57 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Moonman62
Since Costco has a reputation for treating their employees well

Oh, really?

Costco Fired Knight Who Denied K of C Hall Rental To Lesbians

78 posted on 10/22/2006 6:50:19 AM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: driftdiver
Studies in the retail world have found that people spend between 10-20% more money in Costco and Sam than they do at regular stores.

Studies, eh? This does not pass the smell test. Were these union funded studies perhaps?

79 posted on 10/22/2006 6:52:08 AM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: motife
what kind of a nut walks into a public place carrying a loaded weapon?

A policeman, a Marine, an armored car driver, a park ranger, a judge, a district attorney's investigator, a parole agent, a member of Congress, a private detective, your grandmother, anybody...

80 posted on 10/22/2006 6:55:25 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

The provision for banning ccw through storefront signs and property(parking lot) signs simply result in de facto nullification of the second admendment and ccw permits.
I f you cannot have the weapon anywhere but your own home and on a public street it severely limits the protection.
With the unholy alliance of many governmental units contracting special deals with commercial entities for toll roads,parking garages,eminent domain favoring developers,etc it is likely your home might become the only place you can carry.

CCW and indeed all lawful gun owners are being discriminated against as a class of people;surely this violates the civil rights acts?


81 posted on 10/22/2006 6:55:28 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Air Force Brat
Some people are simply paranoid!
82 posted on 10/22/2006 6:55:45 AM PDT by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: sig226

I disagree with Costco but they have a right to set their policy. You should take your business elsewhere.


83 posted on 10/22/2006 6:59:27 AM PDT by zarf
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To: svxdave

You said: "If Mr. Gun Toter can't shop at Costco now, it is his loss, not Costco's ..."

I am sure that Sam's Club would be happy to take the money he is not spending at Costco.


84 posted on 10/22/2006 7:00:10 AM PDT by DaiHuy (I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse)
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To: norwaypinesavage

The same signs popped up in Missouri when CCW became law in 2004. Since just turning away at the door without comment never tells the store management how much they offended you or how much money they've lost in the form of your business,
http://www.learntocarry.com posted a business card in Word document format (easily changed to the state of your choice) for CCW holders and supporters to print and hand out to such businesses. The cards (downloadable from http://www.learntocarry.com/news/ ) have a graphic of crossed out gun = crossed out $ on one side. The other side says:

"Missouri Concealed-Carry Permit Holders:
> Are at least 23 years of age
> Are law-abiding citizens – verified by law enforcement
> Have submitted fingerprints & undergone background checks
> Have passed firearms training and know proper weapons handling
> Know Missouri law on concealed carry & justifiable use of force
> Have paid as much as $200 for state-mandated training & up to a $100 permit fee – to comply with the law and obtain a permit

“No Gun” signs turn law-abiding customers away – while advertising a “safe working environment” to criminals!
NO Sign = Good Cents!

Card provided courtesy of: LearnToCarry.com


85 posted on 10/22/2006 7:00:29 AM PDT by brolin_1911a1
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To: sig226
I am reminded of the Luby's shooting in Texas. One woman, who lost her mother to the shooter, had left her weapon in the truck because it was Sunday and she didn't want to upset her mother. Now, we will never know if the outcome would have been different or not but this poor woman has to live with the fact that she was unarmed and it cost her her mother at a small moment in life.

There was an incident here in Reno two or so years ago at the University where a woman was accosted on campus by a known nut job, petty criminal. She pulled her weapon and terminated his approach to her. At the very least she was going to get mugged. It was ruled a clean shoot.

I like the second outcome better.

86 posted on 10/22/2006 7:00:56 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: sig226

I quit Costco 2 years ago. Unless you're making meals for the Third Infantry, the shelf units are too big.


87 posted on 10/22/2006 7:02:44 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("I have more guns than I need, but less than I want." Sen. Phil Gramm)
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To: JNL
This is not a rights issue

I agree, no one said otherwise. You said you cannot see the difference between: 1. Government required Smoking bans, and 2. customers letting a company know their opinion on the store's policy and/or refusing to shop there.

88 posted on 10/22/2006 7:03:56 AM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: sig226
I have a couple friends who legally carry concealed weapons. They are very well trained in the use of the weapons. It is impossible to know they are carrying because they are so well concealed.

The fact that Costco noticed you had a weapon speaks volumes as to your ability to handle one.

89 posted on 10/22/2006 7:04:20 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Mark was here

But perhaps they get 30% more groceries. The post gave incomplete numbers.


90 posted on 10/22/2006 7:07:44 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: DTogo
There is no equivalence, moral or otherwise, between the US Military and Costco. The one has absolutely no relevance to the other.

No one here is saying Costco cannot choose to ban concealed carry from their premises. Had you bothered to read the article at the head of this thread you would have known that the writer takes issue with the fact that Costco does not publicize the policy.

Why do they not publicize the policy? Because they realize that if they did, they would lose customers--actual and potential.

And if they lose customers, they cannot so easily and readily fund George Soros's favorite causes.

Its' all about full disclosure of where your discretionary dollars go, whose politics you're funding. I don't want my dollars funding the morally bankrupt left. So I don't shop at Costco. Hopefully, fewer people will after reading this thread.

91 posted on 10/22/2006 7:08:20 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Mark was here
Studies in the retail world have found that people spend between 10-20% more money in Costco and Sam than they do at regular stores.

Studies, eh? This does not pass the smell test. Were these union funded studies perhaps?

Nah, I think it's true. The difference is that when you go into the local grocery store you buy food, toiletries, light bulbs, and cat litter; when you go into Costco you buy food, toiletries, light bulbs, cat litter, an air compressor, an office chair, a TV, and a cashmere sweater. Even if you save a lot on food purchases you're liable to spend more, which is the principle of the whole place. Last week I came back from Costco with hiking boots and a jug of chocolate sauce I didn't go in there intending to buy.

92 posted on 10/22/2006 7:12:14 AM PDT by Fairview
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To: Air Force Brat

"Could someone explain why a person would feel the need to carry a concealed weapon into a Costco store?"

you are kidding, right ?


93 posted on 10/22/2006 7:12:56 AM PDT by stompk
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To: zarf
I disagree with Costco but they have a right to set their policy. You should take your business elsewhere.

Yet another poster who didn't bother to read the article first.

Check it out. The writer agrees with you.

94 posted on 10/22/2006 7:13:30 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: motife

"name a business that DOES allow firearms on its premises.

what kind of a nut walks into a public place carrying a loaded weapon?"

In my home town, it would be far easier to name those businesses that do NOT allow firearms. One title company (the other doesn't care), Hermann Lumber (Meeks doesn't care), and the banks with out-of-town management are the only ones I know of. Two restaurants, Taco Bell and Shoney's, posted when the law first passed but took the signs down within weeks when they saw it was costing them business. One of the restaurants (Shoney's) took the sign down when the owners took the CCW course themselves and heard the instructor tell the class the restaurant was posted and suggest his graduates avoid it for that reason. Family Dollar is the only general merchandise store that's posted so I go to Dollar General instead. Wal-mart doesn't care and neither do any of the other grocery stores in town.

Criminals do not call and give advance notice of their intended targets. Guns are carried by people who realize that fact, police included.


95 posted on 10/22/2006 7:14:01 AM PDT by brolin_1911a1
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To: hoosierham

To me, the signs mean absolutely nothing. If my weapon is concealed, the only people who will know are the ones who find out the hard way.

It is irritating these little Hitlers think they have some sort of power.


96 posted on 10/22/2006 7:16:10 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

No I cant, I believe that a store has a right to set their own policy be it smoking , non-smoking, no shoes no shirt or carrying guns. All the same to me, this is a private business that can set their own policies whether you or I agree with them or not.

This guy is doing more than stating an opinion. He clearly states that he was prepared for this type of confrontation and welcomed it.

The title of this thread is Costco Bans Guns. It should read:

Guy does not like store policy


97 posted on 10/22/2006 7:17:08 AM PDT by JNL
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To: JNL
Once again: the man simply wanted upfront disclosure of Costco's policy. Had they provided it, he would have never signed on to be a customer in the first place.

This isn't about Costco's policy. It's about Costco's attempt to have it both ways: to have the money of gun owners without disclosing to gun owners that Costco abhors the Second Amendment and donates money to moonbat causes determined to undermine it.

98 posted on 10/22/2006 7:26:50 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: motife
name a business that DOES allow firearms on its premises.

Walmart.

what kind of a nut walks into a public place carrying a loaded weapon?

"Nuts" like me and thousands of others.

99 posted on 10/22/2006 7:27:23 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Demonrats vote on Nov. 8th. Pass it on.)
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To: sig226

This may have something to do with their insurance.


100 posted on 10/22/2006 7:28:28 AM PDT by Faith-Hope
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