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[Canada] Evangelical schools ordered to teach Darwin (Or be shut down)
The National Post ^ | October 24, 2006 | David Rogers

Posted on 10/24/2006 11:19:52 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

OTTAWA - The Quebec Ministry of Education has told unlicensed Christian evangelical schools that they must teach Darwin's theory of evolution and sex education or close their doors after a school board in the Outaouais region complained the provincial curriculum was not being followed.

"Quebec children are legally required to follow the provincial curriculum ... but these evangelical schools teach their own courses on creationism and sexuality that don't follow the Quebec curriculum," said Pierre Daoust, director-general of the Commission Scolaire au Coeur-des-Vallees in Thurso, Que.

Mr. Daoust's complaint sparked the province-wide investigation.

Quebec law requires school boards to assure the Ministry of Education that every child between the ages six of and 16, with the exception of home-schooled children, receives an adequate education, he said.

But the 20 elementary and high school students who attend a school operated by Eglise Evangelique near Saint-Andre-Avellin, Que., are being educated according to a Bible-based curriculum and their high school diplomas will not be recognized anywhere in Canada, he said.

Supporters of Eglise Evangelique, part of the l'Association des eglises evangeliques du Quebec, counter that the school teaches a "world view" that is essential for their students.

"We offer a curriculum based on a Christian world view rather than humanistic world view," said Alan Buchanan, chairman of a committee that reorganized the school's administration this past summer, as well as a former Quebec public school teacher.

Mr. Buchanan said Eglise Evangelique teaches evolution as well as intelligent design.

"We want the children to understand what they're going to meet in the outside world, and also what's wrong with the theory," he said. "We also teach that a better theory -- that God created the universe and so on."

While the school doesn't teach sex education, it does teach biology, he said.

"You have the Christian world view that says sex should only be in the marriage and a public school system that teaches kids about sexuality," Mr. Buchanan said. "We believe students should be taught abstinence."

He said the school met provincial guidelines during two reviews conducted in the 1990s, although they were asked to add a Canadian history course.

Ministry spokeswoman Marie-France Boulay said yesterday the province will negotiate for several weeks with an unspecified number of evangelical schools to determine whether they can meet provincial standards that include the teaching of Darwin's theory of evolution.

Ms. Boulay said two or three unlicensed evangelical schools in the Outaouais are affected.

In addition to the 20 students at Eglise Evangelique, another 40 students attend an unlicensed evangelical school in Gatineau, Que., which falls under the jurisdiction of the Commission Scolaire des Draveurs. There is a third in Hull, Que., Mr. Daoust said. The other school boards haven't complained.

The Quebec government knows of about 30 unlicensed religious schools in the province, including Hasidic schools and several evangelical Christian schools in Montreal, said Dermod Travis, who served on Quebec's Comite sur la langue d'enseignement, a tribunal that hears special cases from the province's educational system.

Other religious denominations may operate faith-based schools as well, but no one really knows where they are.

The Quebec government has known about unaccredited religion-based schools for years, but has tolerated them for fear of offending the denominations sponsoring them.

Members of the Pentecostal Eglise Nouvelle Alliance in Gatineau, which operates a school for about 40 students, refused to discuss the Ministry of Education investigation because their minister, Charles Boucher, is out of Canada until Nov. 1.

Ontario schools are not required to teach either evolution or sex education, said Elaine Hopkins, executive director of the 900-member Ontario Federation of Independent Schools, which has 120,000 children attending schools with a few as 10 students and as many as 1,000.

Many parents send their children to independent schools because they object to the teaching of certain subjects in the public schools, she said. "These are issues that should be decided by the parents, not the province."

At the elementary level in Ontario, there are no curriculum requirements for independent schools at all, although Ms. Hopkins points out that the industry is market-driven.

"It's called direct accountability to the parents," she said. "If you're not going to teach reading, writing and arithmetic, the parents aren't going to pay for it."

At the high school level in Ontario, independent schools are inspected by Ministry of Education officials to ensure that they meet curriculum and hours-of-instruction guidelines for credits to be accepted by the ministry.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ac; canadah; canaduh; censorship; coercion; crevo; crevolist; darwin; persecution; quebec; quebecistan; socialism
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To: VadeRetro

My point was a political point, which you seem to have missed. But, then again, I suspect that you miss many things. Please don't stop, though, the rants and invective are entertaining.


61 posted on 10/24/2006 4:08:39 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Jacquerie
Is there something wrong with the way I explained it all the other times on this thread, or is there something wrong with you? There is nothing gratuitous about my insults. You have richly deserved my characterizations of your perseveration in fallacy and your back-again-dumb-as-a-stump-isms.

This is probably going to sound like a repeat of several earlier posts. Well, lurkers, if you're reading a creationist thread and expecting intelligent dialogue, that would take an intelligence at each end. That one side of the conversation has to be a creationist tends to leave that expectation one short.

No, the government does not have the right to ban religious instruction. They aren't doing that. They absolutely DO have the right to set standards for science education. They are doing that. They seem to think that creationism is not science and doesn't belong in science class. That's pretty defensible. Creationism is a grab-bag of screeches that science as most scientists know it and would have it taught is wrong.

62 posted on 10/24/2006 4:09:16 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: achilles2000
Your point was just wrong. You seem to have missed that.
63 posted on 10/24/2006 4:10:07 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: VadeRetro
Off to my local temple of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I'll check this snakepit of a thread later.
64 posted on 10/24/2006 4:15:21 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: Jacquerie

I have no problem teaching the Bible, just not in a class labelled "biology".


65 posted on 10/24/2006 4:17:06 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Jacquerie

Depends on the "religious teaching". No peyote smoking, even if your religion includes it, American laws don't.

Also, no mislabelling. That's fraud. Don't teach music and call it chemistry.


66 posted on 10/24/2006 4:21:02 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: VadeRetro; achilles2000
Vade,

I suppose your response qualifies as an answer from an academic. You do believe government can regulate religious instruction at a religious school. I disagree, but after several queries I finally know your position.

BTW why don't you post your vitae? That would really impress everyone.
67 posted on 10/24/2006 4:21:41 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: Jacquerie

You err. That's not what VadeRetro said.

Try re-reading the post.


68 posted on 10/24/2006 4:23:17 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: VadeRetro; Jacquerie

Are these your forthright best arguments?

Jacquerie says you think I'm a rube. I'm trying to parse that into an answer to my question. So far I've failed.

I've read his posts to you and your posts as well, and I have no idea what any of it has to do with banning teaching religion in religious schools.

But, I did notice he's anti-evo and a creationist of some kind, so I guess that sort of explains it.

69 posted on 10/24/2006 4:31:40 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: VadeRetro

My point was entirely correct. Now I see from another of your posts that you are appropriating Richard Dawkins' one liners, without attribution. Because Dawkins' fascistic tendencies are well known, it tends to confirm my prior conjecture. I do hope you are having fun, and please give the Flying Spaghetti Monster my best!


70 posted on 10/24/2006 4:41:25 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: From many - one.; Jacquerie
"1. Ignorance of Darwinism does not preclude scientific brilliance." Brilliance, no, accomplishment in the relevant fields, yes.


Perhaps the electricity in your house running your computer is not an accomplishment because Michael Faraday [whom Einstein called the greatest experimenter ever to live] believed as a Francis Bacon did that the book of God's world and the book of God's word where written by the same author. Maybe the main circuit breaker of your house should be flipped off as you do not recognize Faraday's law as an accomplishment in a relevant field.
71 posted on 10/24/2006 5:26:27 PM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: Jacquerie
Do you know any tricks at all besides deliberately not understanding what is posted to you? You are justifying the government of Canada very well by showing that there are people arguing your side who cannot accurately relay a statement with which they disagree, or which is from a person with whom they disagree.

Your posts force the lurker to decide if you're being honest about what you can understand and remember. It's an unhappy choice you present for consideration. If you're being honest, you're an idiot. If you're not really an idiot, you're not being honest.

Do we have to care which it is? No. Your effective net performance is below "Idiot." Why that is can be left as your problem.

There's where I think I will leave it. Your problem, Jake.

72 posted on 10/24/2006 5:33:53 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: achilles2000
My point was entirely correct.

You made a prediction concerning my answer which was already falsified twice. Most people would say that the level of performance there needs to come up a bit.

My point was entirely correct.

It was unconscious if so. Perhaps you can point me to it?

Because Dawkins' fascistic tendencies are well known, it tends to confirm my prior conjecture.

Funny, I was aware that Dawkins was an atheist, but nowhere had heard that he has embraced Fascim. Do you have a source for this?

Thank God I didn't say "Chyert voz'mi!" anywhere on the thread. I heard Stalin used to say that when he was in the Georgian seminary.

73 posted on 10/24/2006 5:38:30 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: achilles2000
Somehow failed to get the proper quote into my paste buffer on the following:

My point was entirely correct.

Now I see from another of your posts that you are appropriating Richard Dawkins' one liners, without attribution.

It was unconscious if so. Perhaps you can point me to it?


74 posted on 10/24/2006 5:41:05 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
...but these evangelical schools teach their own courses on creationism and sexuality that don't follow the Quebec curriculum,...

Which is likely the reasons the parents are sending their kids there. I wonder how they'd perform on standardized tests.

75 posted on 10/24/2006 5:42:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: taxcontrol

*GASP* You mean to make sure the kids are really being educated to read and write instead of being indoctrinated on the latest PC thinking on sexuality and morals?


76 posted on 10/24/2006 5:44:08 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ml1954
Jacquerie says you think I'm a rube. I'm trying to parse that into an answer to my question. So far I've failed.

I think he was kind of hoping your reassurances to him were some kind of agreement with him. (And if you agree with him, I'm calling you a rube, etc.)

At this point, who cares?

77 posted on 10/24/2006 5:48:33 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: shuckmaster

So basically you're really not in favor of less government intrusion if you think that they should step in and interfere when someone teaches something you disagree with.


78 posted on 10/24/2006 5:50:02 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Coming soon to an America near you.


79 posted on 10/24/2006 5:51:11 PM PDT by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: VadeRetro; Jacquerie
That means you have to provide, in science class, some instruction in science as opposed to in "How Science is Wrong."

Please provide some evidence to back up your statements that this is what's being taught in Christian schools or this school in particular.

80 posted on 10/24/2006 5:56:43 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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