Skip to comments.A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish
As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a fast from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Roves 2006 campaign strategy.
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It's more basic than that. Whoever believes the philosophy of history known as evolution (in the wide sense) deserves an exclusive hearing by law in public schools belongs to a party that does not accept the authority of the Consitution. That, IMO, means liberal democrats who do not accept the meaning an intent of the text, but twist it to fit their own, squishy, mealy-mouthed, agenda.
Don't go too far out on that limb. I am among the one-third who voted with you on that poll, and I am indeed pro-science, but you do not speak for me. There are rational, reasonable people who accept evolution, and rational, reasonable people who accept creationism. But there are some in both camps who are neither rational nor reasonable. Do not fall into the trap of portraying Darwinism as some sort of modern Prometheus, a courageous champion bringing the light of knowledge to the ignorant masses. There are any number of evolutionists who accept evolution not because they find the evidence for it convincing, but because they are driven mad by the notion that someone, somewhere might be quietly believing in God. This is obvious from what they choose to fight about.
I have seen some terrible, unsupportable arguments brought by creationists on some FR threads... but I have also seen a ridiculous number of straw-man, false dilemma, appeal to authority and bandwagon fallacies used by the militant evolutionists. Crevo threads are remarkable for the dishonesty and irrationality exhibited on both sides.
P.S., there is no broad-based conservative war on science. There is a sizeable culture war against Judeo-Christian religion, though.
Complete and utter bullcrap. Priests teach evolution and priests teach the true origins of some biblical tales. Ever hear of the Enuma Elish.
Who said we were teaming up with the ACLU? Most of us despise those rat bastards.
Not all evos think Dawkins is correct. He is like Pat Robertson to a lot of us. He is an opinion and I think, an odious one at that.
LOL, You will of course point me to the section of the Catholic Catechism which teaches that God did NOT create the heavens and earth.
Priests teach evolution and priests teach the true origins of some biblical tales.
Can you translate this sentence into English?
Ever hear of the Enuma Elish.
Sure, have you ever heard of Daffy Duck?
Amen to that.
We don't have to accept each others views on evolution, but we should respect the fact that we are all conservatives. Just because someone is an atheist or believes in evolution, it doesn't take away from the fact that they are conservative. Some here have equated Christianity with conservatism. That is wrong. Christians are a segment of conservatism, just like evangelicals are a segment of Christianity.
Absolutely true. And some have equated acceptance of creation/fundamentalism with being stupid. (*cough* "I think a lot of people in conservative media pander to the dullards... They all seem to [sic] intelligent to be cretards or fundies." *cough*). That isn't conducive to or reflective of "respect," in my opinion.
That's not what I saw, Jim. Still don't see it, especially taking into account everything else that you have said over the last two days. Are you apologizing?
Sounds about right to me. Thanks for the intriguing post, Blackirish!
It has become a wild ride that's for sure. Look at it this way......
You, my FRiend, have now become a part of FReeper History. LOL
This thread might just become a rival to the famous "undead thread".
In fact, I submit that you should contact Jim or the mods and ask to have the title of your thread changed. Maybe something like the Great Evolution Thread or something like that. I'll leave that up to you.
Just think of it........
Blackirish: The FReeper who posted an article from NRO and kicked off the Great Evolution Debate!
You'll be both cheered and reviled. Like it or not you're now a hero or villain depending on the point of view.
You are now a legend of all FReeperdom!
Please carry your elevated status in accordance with the dignity proper to your newly found fame here at FR.
I never said it was the only one possible. I said you could not accept his particular viewpoint and hold the Pope's viewpoint. Do you?
But all creationists(and IDer's) are Jack Chick?
You wouldn't know it based on the reactions of most of the evos over the efforts to keep creation out of the schools. Somehow it gets blown off with trite phrases, *like even a stopped clock is right twice a day* (concerning the ACLU and lawsuits to keep the slightest questioning of the ToE out of the picture).
As for me, if I hear of the ACLU defending something that SOUNDS good, I take a really good hard look at what I thought on the matter and what it is that they're really trying to accomplish; because to say that I don't trust them is the understatement of my life.
I realise that to many evos, according to them, it's about *keeping science pure* but if it involves the ACLU and they're supporting it, it's not going to come across as conservative, not matter how you look at it and what you say in its defense because it's not about science to the ACLU.
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