Skip to comments.A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish
As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a fast from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Roves 2006 campaign strategy.
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The Missouri constitutional amendment is a case in point. Those steeped in scientism portray that amendment to us rubes as "stem cell research" implying that those opposed to the amendment are anti science and bad Christians because we want to see Michael Fox suffer. Both are nonsense.
What the amendment actually does is enshrine cloning in the the Missouri Constitution and at the same time takes a nice shot at our republican form of government in that it forbids legislators in Missouri from directing what funds can be spent where.
RR said trust but verify. I say that anytime you are condescended to in the manner that the followers of scientism are condescending to the voters of Missouri there is no reason to trust that group of people ever again. No need to verify that at all.
Counterproductive, even ...
And which Libertarian/libertarian candidate is polling anywhere above 2%?
The message is "we don't need you" and "get lost".
This is really, really stupid. The Republicans need every vote they can get. They need my vote and your vote.
Most people want creation taught in schools...
If people would push for theology and ethics classes in the public schools, an appropriate venue for the topic of biblical creation, instead of trying to sneak creationism in the backdoor of biology class, I think you'd see much stronger support.
Badnarik---> 0.03% in 2004 just slightly under Nader's 0.04%
In the states your percentages are worse, but I guess compared to nothing you're doing fine.
You think too highly of yourself. It does prove the last of the points that I made to you back in August, however. The only thing that I had wrong was that it was not the mods, but the owner.
I saw an LP candidate in the Maryland Senate debate tonight. His main issues were immediate witdrawal from Iraq, single payer health care for all and more access to abortion. I was astounded.
I can get behind that 100%.
Bad posters drive away good posters.
Yup. you pegged it. And that's why I avoid those threads like the plague.
There is really something sad about seeing Wyatt Earp and the Lone Ranger taking shots at each other.
The only reason, for instance, that porn and sodomy are legal, is because of nanny state judicial activism. Let individual communities decide for themselves - state or even more local. Would liber(al)tarians like this? No - that want such crap forced down everyone's throat by the JBThuggery of big government.
And they have the gall to label me and others like me as nanny staters.
I am in favor of cutting all - state and fedgov - spending by 50%, for a start. A lot of social problems will wither on the vine once the teat dries up.
Correct. Don't nominate a big government fop like Giuliani in 2008!
Creationists are frequently accused of being anti-science...
Because some of them think the universe and the earth are 6000 years old. One must toss out a lot of science, and all that that science implies and infers, to take such a ridiculously irrational position.
Free enterprise dictates that you go out and start your own thing.
Just do it.
You are just a liberal period. There is nothing politically conservative (or biological) about homosexuality and establishing it into the secular law.
Another great post!
I said that I'd heard this to be the case, disclosed my source, said if it was untrue, I'd be more than happy to admit the error. I did not put it forth as unassailable fact. What was the main thrust of the argument? That there is a lot scientists still don't know. Is that main point true? Yes. Were the examples listed accurate? I cannot confirm them, so I'll withdraw them as examples, but maintain my original point.
Let's try to keep the personal quibbles off of this thread, though.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected." - GK Chesterton
Dude, you opened your mouth without engaging your brain. Take some science classes, for Pete's sake.
I want the evolutionists off of educational welfare. They are not entitled to some kind of affirmative action in the classroom...
And I am an athiest saying this... I am tired of these people throwing sh*t on the Christians. The Christians pay the vast majority of taxes in this country...
Hey, listen! Any subject is controversial if we allow it. There are people here solely to cause division. Any topic. Any wedge they can drive. Any negativity they can spread.
Intelligent debate is what we want. Intolerant argument is what these counter-productive elements give us.
Evolution *is* science. It is foundational to our modern understanding to biology. Students are "forced" to learn evolution life science class for the same reason students are "forced" to algebra in math class.
I dub thee..."Captain Napalm" !
Evos have their own site they are constantly sending people to and it's Darwin Central. A very interesting place where all the foibles of FR don't exist or are not tolerated. They can go there if they don't like the way FR is run, then they'd havbe no complaints.
I have not heard of social conservatives abandoning Bush, and being a social conservative, I should have gotten the memo.
That's rather laughable. I don't recall you ever calling "a spade a spade." When have you ever told any of these nutjobs that they are not only damaging conservatism, but also Christianity by their lunatic ramblings, Moonie affiliations, or anything else for that matter?
Don't label the whole group based on the actions of a few who are either not really part of the group...
Hold that thought. The person who deploys the "creation ping list" is the biggest recent distributor of Moonie propaganda on FR. And you have said - nothing. Ok, back to our regularly scheduled paragraph...
...or could just plain be trolls coming in from DU on "suicide runs" just to stir things up and make real Christians and creationists look bad.
Stand up to them. Once. Tell them what you think of their actions. Once. Tell them that they are wrong. Once. But you wont, because you agree with them on the subject of evolution, so you are willing to let them do or say anything, as long as they say that one thing that you agree with. That speaks of hypocricy.
Just clicked on your name, can't believe I didn't get the baby blue page of death!
As I posted before, the problem is not the "geo"-centrists, it's all the "ego"-centrists.
That, and the problem orbiting not Saturn, but Uranus ;-)
I've heard of it. I wonder if creationists are as welcome there as they are here...mmm.
...don't actually know any science.
Thanks for providing the impromptu emphasis for my point about posters who "cannot simply, politely, answer a point or observation, but simply MUST insert their snide little goads..."
Would you be open to considering the notion that your tone was unduly imperious and snotty and that such a tone just MIGHT be tributary to the overall problem being so lamented in this thread?
I'm not a psychiatrist trained in Freudian methods, but I think you seem to have an anal fixation.
Now why should I, as a reasonable person, be concerned about what I look like to someone who believes himself to be a "great ape". sheesh. ; D
I have seen this request on your part before (it must be you)...but I confess I do not remember. Just let me know the reference and I will try to humor you at some point by the end of the week.
That is the closest thing to a perfect post on the Crevo topics as I've ever seen!
...and your tagline echoes something I've always said to myself but never put in writing.
Just because some of use believe intelligent design or GASP creation to be a more logical interpretation of the world around us does not mean we are at war with science or do not like its benefits.
I use science every day, and my patients benefit from my knowledge of biology, physiology, pharmacology and a lot of other ologies. I also read enough papers and studied statistics enough to know that one can make research and statistics say pretty much what they want.
I am a scientist and a creationist, and there are growing numbers of us. WE do not discredit the Republican party - most of us are pretty intelligent and thoughful. I don't accuse your group of being knuckle dragging neanderthals for swallowing evolution hook, line and sinker, and would appreciate similar toning of the rhetoric on your side.
I think the internecine warfare discredits the conservatives far more than the creation/evolution debate. I don't know why the conservative movement tends to eat its own, while the dems are very good at keeping their attacks focused on the conservatives.
(Putting on asbestos underwear)
And by the way, I have not been anything less than civil on these threads, but have been called some pretty awful things for the gentleman that was decrying the "uneven" moderation on the threads.
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