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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: metmom
You should see how one of their most sacred cow carrys on over there too.

Nice is not the word.

W.
401 posted on 10/25/2006 10:05:31 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Dimensio

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402 posted on 10/25/2006 10:05:41 PM PDT by stands2reason (Officially Homeless)
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To: Dimensio
I don't want to argue with you, I didn't even want this thread hijacked into an evo/religion thread.

We disagree.

Personally I think Darwin is about 3 bones short of a monkey.

We'll leave it at that.
403 posted on 10/25/2006 10:05:56 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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To: Dimensio

I am a biologist. I have seen these arguements before. You cannot scientifically refute evolution unless you are a biologist, and you are not a biologist (or an acceptable one) unless you are an evolutionist. THis is circular reasoning.

Also, scientific areas are rarely isolated. The physicist, cosmologist, etc have as much to say about evolution as the biologist, just like biology adds to the knowledge in fields.


404 posted on 10/25/2006 10:05:59 PM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: Coyoteman

This was posted Oct 22, and many, many times before that. Probably hundreds of times. Possibly thousands of times on FR.


405 posted on 10/25/2006 10:06:21 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Nobody likes spam.)
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To: Coyoteman
Ok, here's a question just off the top of my head, just to cheese you off.

The classic picture of the extinction of the dinosaurs changed greatly upon the finding of a thin layer of Iridium at the K-T boundary.

Cool, we now have heavy metal contamination of the earth from an external source.

My question is, how external is external?

The validity of radiocarbon dating depends (in an ordinary, laboratory scale sense) on the homogeneity of the sample, and the uniformity of conditions. That is, we assume all of the initial amounts of radionuclei (in whichever decay series we are using) were all formed at the same time. This is important because the initial concentrations of daughter particles will be the same. (When the sample gets contaminated, you can get problems in dating, see the Shroud of Turin re-weave and sampling controversy for a non-evo example.)

OK, so were there any amounts of any radionuclei (wherever in the sequence) introduced at the K-T boundary or by any other impacts?

Secondly, if there were, do we know whether the radioisotopes in the comet were formed at the same time as the ones on Earth?

Just stirring the pot, yanking your chain, etc. :-)

Cheers!

406 posted on 10/25/2006 10:07:11 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: stands2reason
"He said that to andysandmikesmom, for crying out loud."

OMG, he did?

I could be mistaken, but IIRC that is who he said that to.

407 posted on 10/25/2006 10:07:57 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Beagle8U
Personally I think Darwin is about 3 bones short of a monkey.

Your assesment has no apparent basis in fact. There exists no evidence to show that Charles Darwin's sekeletal structure was significantly different than that of any other homo sapiens.
408 posted on 10/25/2006 10:08:08 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Mom MD
I am a biologist.

Then what do you believe is problematic about the theory of evolution?

The physicist, cosmologist, etc have as much to say about evolution as the biologist, just like biology adds to the knowledge in fields.

Could you provide an example of an observation in cosmology that has relevance to the theory of evolution?
409 posted on 10/25/2006 10:09:29 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio; Beagle8U

OK, Mr. Spock.


410 posted on 10/25/2006 10:10:55 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Whatever, pal. It's your right to turn the channel anytime you get fed up with the "top." Just don't expect me to bend to your will because that ain't gonna happen.

See, that's just paranoid. I'm not asking you to bend to my will.

Personally, I think you're on the wrong side of this issue, but so what? We don't all have to agree on everything. That's *never* been my point. My point is actually closer to the opposite.

What I am saying is that you need to look around your site with a critical eye. What you are going to see are some sneakback trolls who are chasing some long time freepers away. They're the ones trying to get your site to match up with their dictates. Not us. What's really going on is these guys have a problem with pro-science posters. They're making the site unpleasant for us. They are dictating terms on your site, and they are playing on your sympathies to get away with breaking the rules, painting us as the bad guys and so on.

If you scratch some of these guys, you're itching some real kooks. Western medine is fake, the moon landings are fake, crop circles are real, etc. These are the guys going around trying to drive pro-science folks away. Not Joe or Jane middle America Christian. Honestly, what you need is not more moderation, but better moderation. Bad posters drive away good posters. Bad moderation makes the problem worse.

How do you have a broad based conservative site without a broad base? You let some of these cranks chase people away, it erodes your base. This is a reflection of what is going on in the conservative movement at large. Like I said before, I don't have a problem with you at all. This is a function of what's going on in the larger political scene.

411 posted on 10/25/2006 10:11:08 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Dimensio
Absolutely no theory in science can be proven. Evolution is no different than any other scientific theory. The theory of evolution can be subjected to experimentation and testing,

That is interesting. Would you provide an example of one of those experiments? I realize that proving that the process of evolution is hard to show due to the apparent length of the process. Has any scientist been able to recreate the "cocktail" that allowed for life to come into being in the first place and, if so, has that cocktail been tested in the lab?

412 posted on 10/25/2006 10:12:17 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: metmom

Me neither. Maybe I need to make a trip on the Shuttle.


413 posted on 10/25/2006 10:12:24 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Mamzelle
This was posted Oct 22, and many, many times before that. Probably hundreds of times. Possibly thousands of times on FR.

And he keeps posting it, in the hope that one day some creationist will actually read it, and not say the same old "if it was really true, it would be a law, and not a theory" nonsense.

414 posted on 10/25/2006 10:12:35 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: Beagle8U
Darwin is about 3 bones short of a monkey

But you have it backwards, in actuality all they have is about 3 bones of a monkey.
415 posted on 10/25/2006 10:14:44 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Dimensio
Could you provide an example of an observation in cosmology that has relevance to the theory of evolution?

Apparent age of the universe.

Stellar fuel--both for age of the universe and the influence of cosmic rays on the flip of the earth's magnetic field, claimed (earlier in this thread) to be related to observations in microscopic fossils.

Stellar fuel for formation of heavy elements including "curve of binding energy" and radionucleides used for radiocarbon dating.

Possible panspermia. Yeah, I know, "abiogenesis is not part of evolutionTM" ...except when a pro-evo poster wants to talk about it.

Cheers!

416 posted on 10/25/2006 10:14:48 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: wyattearp; Mamzelle

Specially made-by-frevos definitions of words are not really authoritative.


417 posted on 10/25/2006 10:16:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mom MD
my religion is as valid as yours.

You hit on something right there that I've been saying.

This isn't about science versus religion. There are vast numbers of Christians and Jews working in science and engineering disciplines.

What we are seeing on these threads is a sectarian conflict. This conflict has been manufactered by people who are advancing their own theology above the theology of others. How many times in these threads have I heard sentiments like "you can't be a Christian if you accept evolutionary theory" and stuff like that. All the time. But there are lots of Christians and Jews who do accept it. Are they nothing but CINOs or whatnot? Certainly these people are no less sincere.

This is a sectarian fight. There exists a group who are trying to drive pro-science folks from conservatism, simple because they believe we don't belong.

418 posted on 10/25/2006 10:16:33 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Texasforever
That is interesting. Would you provide an example of one of those experiments?

Several experiments are referenced here.

I realize that proving that the process of evolution is hard to show due to the apparent length of the process.

The lack of proof is a fact of all scientific explanations. The mechanism for the process is well-established, however.

Has any scientist been able to recreate the "cocktail" that allowed for life to come into being in the first place and, if so, has that cocktail been tested in the lab?

I do not understand what relevance your question has to the theory of evolution.
419 posted on 10/25/2006 10:18:18 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: metmom

Apam made in freevo-pan, home of the obsessive clones.


420 posted on 10/25/2006 10:18:23 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Nobody likes spam.)
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