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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: Dimensio
I do not understand what relevance your question has to the theory of evolution.

Oh I realize that most evolutionists dodge the initial origins of life question. However; without knowing HOW or WHY life begins and ends then the concept of ID is every bit as valid as ToE. The ToE is just the process of life between it's creation and its demise. Where is the "God" gene that provides the spark to animate an organism. Once evolutionists find that the debate is over.

441 posted on 10/25/2006 10:34:38 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: stands2reason; wyattearp
> He said that to andysandmikesmom, for crying out loud.
OMG, he did?

Nope. It was to me.

I didn't think he cared. (wipes tear)

442 posted on 10/25/2006 10:36:11 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Liberal Classic
LOL. That'll be the day.

Now, if you don't mind, I didn't intend to make a career out of this thread when I dropped in to zot a smart assed retread troll this afternoon. So, with or without your permission, I bid you all a good night.
443 posted on 10/25/2006 10:37:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Nite Jim, sleep tight!


444 posted on 10/25/2006 10:38:03 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yup.

I see. And so when he and several of us asked what the heck was going on - i.e. was this just a weird software glitch, or had some other member broken into PH's account to do a little vandalism, or had some petty tyrant mod or other PTB decided to up and rip down a member's homepage, or what, it was you who decided not to say word one?

445 posted on 10/25/2006 10:38:14 PM PDT by jennyp (There's ALWAYS time for jibber jabber!)
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To: Howlin

Hi Howlin. I've been posting here for a little while. I've been in all kinds of threads.

You talk about childishness, how about Jim deleting someone's profile page just for spite?


446 posted on 10/25/2006 10:38:14 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Mom MD
In order to have evolution, you need adequate energy sources, as evolution flies in the face of the second law of thermodynamics.

The 2nd law very specifically applies to a closed system. The earth is not a closed system. There is this thing called the Sun. It is the energy source that makes the 2nd law inapplicable in biology.

447 posted on 10/25/2006 10:38:22 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: takenoprisoner

What has been hijacked is this thread! Instead of it being about the article posted at the head of this thread, is is FR's Darwinists V. Creationists.


448 posted on 10/25/2006 10:38:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: takenoprisoner

What has been hijacked is this thread! Instead of it being about the article posted at the head of this thread, it is FR's Darwinists V. Creationists.


449 posted on 10/25/2006 10:38:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Texasforever
Oh I realize that most evolutionists dodge the initial origins of life question

How, exactly, is this question "dodged"?

However; without knowing HOW or WHY life begins and ends then the concept of ID is every bit as valid as ToE.

This is not a logical conclusion. Knowing the means by which life ultimately originated does not alter the scientific validity -- or lack thereof -- of proposed events that occur within populations of extant life.

The ToE is just the process of life between it's creation and its demise.

This is a vague statement. Evolution is a process that affects populations of imperfectly replicating organisms.

Where is the "God" gene that provides the spark to animate an organism.

What do you mean by "spark"?

I regret that I will be unable to address any response that you make until tomorrow morning, as I must retire for the night at this time.
450 posted on 10/25/2006 10:39:45 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good night Jim. Looking forward to Saturday.


451 posted on 10/25/2006 10:40:25 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: wyattearp
(Sigh).

Wyatt, did it ever occur to you that living creatures are themselves open systems?

Hint: Murray Gell-Mann pointed this out in person at a seminar I once attended...

Cheers!

452 posted on 10/25/2006 10:40:28 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: nopardons

Libertarians are passé. :)


453 posted on 10/25/2006 10:40:31 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Dimensio; Mom MD

So even if she kills herself to *provide evidence to support her assertion*, how are YOU going to know if it's valid? Do you have the level of education that she does? Do you have the level necessary to understand and analyze any and everything she might post? Then what? You're going to sit in judgement and tell her it's not good enough after all? Or is she going to be expected to back up with more evidence the evidence she's already provided, as infinitum?

Why should she answer to you anyway? Who are you that can go around demanding answers to the same questions you pose everybody you have a discussion with? *Please provide evidence to support your assertions*. Do YOU ever do it? I don't really ever recall you reciprocating in kind.


454 posted on 10/25/2006 10:40:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Texasforever

What do you mean, dodge?

Evolution says nothing about the origin of life, because without life, there can be no evolution, so evolution states nothing, as far as how life came to be.

If a theory cannot exist before an event, that event will not be explained by the theory.

I hope that explanation was basic enough for you to understand.

The beginning of life could have been aliens from outer space, it could have been a cometary collision whcih had the proper amino acids on it, it could have been God reaching down with his glass chemical rod and swishing it into existence. It really does not matter to the theory of evolution, because without life, evolution could not exist, therefore the origin of life is of no consequence to the theory.


455 posted on 10/25/2006 10:41:53 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: jennyp

Actually, I only vaguely remember the incident. Chances are, I probably had them all on ignore which is probably better than banning the whole lot.


456 posted on 10/25/2006 10:41:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: wyattearp

I agree that evolution does not address anything other than what happens during the animation cycle of an organism. It does not address how that organism came to be animated. If Evolution is that limited then science is left with a gaping hole and maybe it should be addressed. If science can reproduce "creation" in the lab then ID or Creationism is forever discredited.


457 posted on 10/25/2006 10:42:10 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Jaguarbhzrd
I hope that explanation was basic enough for you to understand.

Yes I am just an ignorant old engineer. That is a prime example of an evolutionist showing rabid religious condescension to a challenge to his dogma.

458 posted on 10/25/2006 10:44:48 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Liberal Classic
And what's THAT supposed to mean?

Are you a damned retreaded Libertarian?

459 posted on 10/25/2006 10:45:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"What has been hijacked is this thread! Instead of it being about the article posted at the head of this thread, it is FR's Darwinists V. Creationists."

Near as I can tell...The Scientists dropped in with the theory that Darwin was a Libertarian, and it just evolved from there./ sarc.
460 posted on 10/25/2006 10:45:52 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Demonrats want the Gays out of Congress.....stand back and let them purge their base.)
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